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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:33 PM Original message |
Question for gun owners. |
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AndyA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
1. WRONG FORUM. |
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HERVEPA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:35 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Of interest to those not gun owners also. |
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Ron Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:36 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. But this is the Ass-Kicking Forum, no? |
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burrfoot (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 02:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
23. Eeeeeaasy there, Big Fella! |
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tranche (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
2. Shoot first. Then the argument won't evolve past "oops". |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:37 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Seriously? No graduated response for you.......... |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 02:18 PM Response to Reply #5 |
26. Perhaps one reason that the quote "an armed society is a polite society" ... |
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Boudica the Lyoness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
6. Yes but what if |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
7. Hmmm. |
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chrisa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
8. It's a tricky situation, |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:39 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. +1 |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:56 PM Response to Reply #8 |
19. How can you avoid conflict?................... |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 02:11 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. Actually they do get covered in gun classes. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 04:18 PM Response to Reply #19 |
37. Yes, it is covered. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
10. By law, if you started the argument, you share the blame. |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:44 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. That's pretty sensible...................... |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 02:30 PM Response to Reply #12 |
29. If your buddy could not legally claim self-defense because he started it, |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 04:25 PM Response to Reply #12 |
38. It gets pretty ifffy. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
11. If you start a fight, you are generally not justified in using deadly force to end it |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:49 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Agree with your first paragraph................ |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:55 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. California law allows use of deadly force in defense of self or others, or to stop a felony |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 02:09 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. That's reasonable, but my conundrum............. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 02:31 PM Response to Reply #22 |
30. In most physical altercations, you are supposed to stop fighting ... |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 04:57 PM Response to Reply #30 |
42. things get real serious real fast |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 02:33 PM Response to Reply #22 |
31. Again, it doesn't matter who's winning or losing; it matters who is the original attacker. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 04:30 PM Response to Reply #22 |
39. If you carry a gun, you learn to back down from lots of challenges. |
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Travis Coates (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 08:07 PM Response to Reply #22 |
49. If the squirrel has a gun |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 09:23 AM Response to Reply #49 |
62. So, does that mean I can't argue..................... |
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Travis Coates (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 01:19 PM Response to Reply #62 |
72. What I'm advocating |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 09:20 AM Response to Reply #72 |
85. "It sounds like your asking how far you can push it" |
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Travis Coates (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 10:04 AM Response to Reply #85 |
86. intimidated into giving up my free speech rights |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 06:26 PM Response to Reply #62 |
91. If you are packing, then maybe you should "suspend" your argueing... |
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The Green Manalishi (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 02:19 PM Response to Reply #22 |
84. " I'm usually not going to back down from a verbal challenge especially in the political arena" |
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Travis Coates (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
13. Not under Colorado law NT |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
14. If I started the argument? No, and the law doesn't call that justified. |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
16. Number one rule |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 04:35 PM Response to Reply #16 |
40. Knitting needles make good short rapiers. Very deadly. |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 05:10 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. You're not kidding... |
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katzenjammers (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 01:16 PM Response to Reply #43 |
88. Charlie Rose sat on a knitting needle |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
17. Absolutely not. |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 02:02 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Sorry about that. Post #19 explains a little more................... |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 02:23 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. It depends on what you said to start the argument. |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 10:14 AM Response to Reply #27 |
67. So you're saying that there are some VERBAL |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 08:50 PM Response to Reply #67 |
80. Yup. |
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burrfoot (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
21. If you start the argument, |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 03:18 PM Response to Reply #21 |
33. More Americans are murdered every year with feet and bare hands |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 03:23 PM Response to Reply #21 |
34. In NC (and a lot of other state), if you jump into a fight on the side of the aggressor... |
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burrfoot (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 07:09 PM Response to Reply #34 |
89. Interesting- |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
25. "if you start an argument" then you need to (1) learn to control your temper and (2) choose better |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
28. Generally speaking, if YOU start the fight, YOU lose the right to self-defense |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 02:59 PM Response to Original message |
32. If you feel that you must shoot him, go ahead. |
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virginia mountainman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
35. I am a CCW holder, and I carry DAILY... |
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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 04:03 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Thanks for artfully expressing what I believe to be the attitudes and positions |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 04:43 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. Very well said. N/T |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 09:52 AM Response to Reply #35 |
65. OK, here you go. This is a very reasoned post......................... |
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MIprogressive (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
44. If he attacked me first and just started punching me |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 06:23 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Not me and I carry. |
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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 07:30 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. "Getting beat up is not that big of a deal". |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 08:06 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Me |
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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 09:30 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. "I'd take one final beating to fighting every day and living like an animal |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 10:00 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. I think you'll find |
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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 10:27 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. "You are the one that makes the point of a justified defense |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 11:05 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. I've taken CCW classes in 2 states |
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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 02:01 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Perhaps some of our resident legal scholars may wish to weigh in, but |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 07:32 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. You've really hit on my point exactly about law suits |
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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 01:49 PM Response to Reply #59 |
73. Very good information in this post ---- thank you. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 08:24 AM Response to Reply #58 |
60. It's this very situation that the castle doctrine is meant to address. |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 05:40 PM Response to Reply #60 |
78. I don't think it counts on the street |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 06:31 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Depends on the state. It applies anywhere you have a legal right to be in TX. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 09:24 AM Response to Reply #56 |
63. Texas, and some other states, have civil immunity laws. |
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jeepnstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 08:36 AM Response to Reply #48 |
61. I can't say I disagree. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 12:21 PM Response to Reply #45 |
70. How do you know your assailant is going to stop when he or she has 'just beaten you up'? |
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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 01:53 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. +1 n/t |
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Caliman73 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 08:01 PM Response to Original message |
47. I typically do not start arguments and would walk away from most |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 08:09 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Hey Cali |
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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 09:31 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Hey safeinOhio |
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east texas lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 10:03 PM Response to Original message |
54. One of the first DGU's by a Texas CHL holder was to stop a beating... |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 01:11 AM Response to Original message |
57. If you're in reasonable fear of death or serious bodily injury, you're justified. |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 10:06 AM Response to Reply #57 |
66. So if you start the PHYSICAL confrontation |
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jeepnstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 10:30 AM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Starting a fight? Good luck with that. |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 10:41 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. OK, I misunderstood the post |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 12:29 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. Getting into unqualifiable specifics. |
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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 01:56 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. "Don't be an asshole" LOL and thumbs up! (the Eleventh Commandment?) N/T |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 03:16 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. The Eleventh Commandment is actually... |
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Remmah2 (971 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
64. Hey instigator, no guns for you! |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 03:13 PM Response to Reply #64 |
76. Welcome to DU ... |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 09:03 PM Response to Original message |
81. Don't start nut'n, won't be nut'n. nt |
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Lurks Often (505 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 09:25 AM Response to Original message |
82. The law varies from state to state, but |
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The Green Manalishi (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
83. No. |
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yay (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
87. I woulden't be starting shit in the first place. |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-10 06:09 PM Response to Original message |
90. My state law is good |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 07:58 AM Response to Original message |
92. MOST gun owners - even RWers, even RABID gun owners will tell you |
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VermeerLives (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 06:40 PM Response to Original message |
93. Hmmm..... |
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