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TeamJordan23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 04:43 PM Original message |
Novak: Dem insiders don't take Hillary poll lead seriously |
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Kagemusha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 04:50 PM Response to Original message |
1. Don't buy it because Novak says it. Buy it because many others do. |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
2. John Kerry was tied with Al Sharpton in nat'l polls in 2003/2004... |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
3. Novak's a dick, he's immoral, he's dishonest, but he's not an idiot |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
4. Perhaps Novak thinks "Dem insiders" are haggling over three points? |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 04:58 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Imagine that. Gore's in third and he hasn't even announced yet. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 05:02 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. He beats almost the entire pack and is creeping up on Obama. Most interesting thing is |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 05:34 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Gore is the greatest threat to Hillary, if he runs. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 05:35 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. true, which says more about Obama and Edwards than Clinton |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 05:49 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. It says that Hillary Clinton sees Gore as a threat... |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 05:50 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. ..and that Obama and Edwards see him as a campaign killer |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 05:51 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. So? I don't care about Obama and Edwards. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 05:53 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. So? Are we discussing your fantasy or what the polls indicate? |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 05:59 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. "Gore says he may re-enter politics" |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 06:01 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Then he says he won't... then he says he will... then he says he won't... |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 06:05 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Only in your dream world has Gore ruled out a 2008 run. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 06:40 AM Response to Reply #31 |
37. Then he says he won't... then he says he will... then he says he won't... |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 05:16 PM Response to Reply #37 |
93. Your talking points are so pathetic that you're stuck repeating yourself. |
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Blue-Jay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 05:01 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. I guess everyone else might as well quit right now. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 05:03 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. No, I guess everyone else should find comfort in the words of Bob Novak |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 05:34 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Why not? Hillary fans find comfort in the words of Rupert Murdoch. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 05:36 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Really? Who? |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 05:47 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. You. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 05:51 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. Nothing in that link quotes Murdoch |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 05:54 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Yes, I'm sure the "Members of the [NY] Post panel" were all taken off the street. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 05:59 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. so am I. And I guess your backtracking on your first claim? |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 06:03 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Who determines the members of the NY Post's panels? |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 06:41 AM Response to Reply #29 |
38. you tell me? |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 05:18 PM Response to Reply #38 |
94. Who picks the panels for any newspaper of media network? |
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TeamJordan23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 06:04 PM Response to Reply #4 |
30. Leiberman was beating Kerry by double digits at this point. nm |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 04:54 PM Response to Original message |
5. It's what I've been saying awhile now. |
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democratsin08 (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 05:07 PM Response to Original message |
10. novak? |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 05:19 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Because if it's anti-Hillary, it must be true |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 05:35 PM Response to Original message |
15. I don't take Novak seriously. |
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PATRICK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 05:39 PM Response to Original message |
17. Since he is a total GOP op |
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Bitwit1234 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 05:50 PM Response to Original message |
21. So now Novak is an authority of the democrats wonder |
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laugle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 06:11 PM Response to Original message |
32. It's one thing to advocate for you candidate, but, |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 06:12 PM Response to Original message |
33. Even a broken clock is right twice a day... |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 06:42 PM Response to Original message |
34. Ha Ha! |
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TransitJohn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 07:08 PM Response to Original message |
35. I don't buy the polling |
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jillan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 07:14 PM Response to Original message |
36. Hillary, Hillary. That can't stop talking about her, can they? |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 07:53 AM Response to Original message |
39. Novak knows the whole Gallup poll thing is questionnable. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 07:55 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. How is it questionable? |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 08:17 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. We already know how they manipulate these polls. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 08:19 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. HOW do "they" manipulate these polls? What is the technique? What do "they" do? |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 08:34 AM Response to Reply #43 |
44. I'm sorry, but did you just arrive this year? |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 08:38 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. so you don't really KNOW how, or even if, these polls are manipulated... |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 08:48 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. WHAT'S MISSING FROM THE POLL IS EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 08:52 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Polls are not suppose to contain empiracal evidence or anything except... |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 09:04 AM Response to Reply #47 |
48. It's already conventional wisdom that nobody trusts them: |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 09:13 AM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Your link has no relevance to this topic |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 09:22 AM Response to Reply #49 |
50. OMIGOD! It surely does. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 09:29 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. OMIGOD, it surely does not |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 09:33 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Let's rank them, by all means: |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 09:35 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. LOL! You're providing a link to your own post as evidence? Why won't you answer my questions??? |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 09:38 AM Response to Reply #53 |
54. You're asking me to prove something that has been proven time and time |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 09:49 AM Response to Reply #54 |
57. show me WHERE it has been proven time and time again. Links? Sources? |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 09:53 AM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Stay tuned to the threads. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 09:57 AM Response to Reply #59 |
62. In otherwords, you have no proof, links, and sources. "Have faith" is what you're saying |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 10:05 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. I read the threads, I didn't bookmark them.But Gallup was one of the |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 12:35 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. and your draw your opinions from the threads that contain nothing but truthiness |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 01:17 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Credibility is a marketable commodity, if you have it. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 01:28 PM Response to Reply #68 |
71. but there is no credibility in truthiness |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 01:34 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. You're running around this thread like a scared rabbit,. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 01:37 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. SHOW ME PROOF of that. Names? Dates? Events? What EXACTLY has Gallup done? |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 02:10 PM Response to Reply #76 |
81. Compliments of lwfern: |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 02:20 PM Response to Reply #76 |
83. Two more excellent links here. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 04:27 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. they survey based on party affiliation |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 04:42 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. You lost the argument. Why don't you be big about it and admit it. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 04:48 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. because I busted your claim? LOL! |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 04:52 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. I pity you. The GOP cheated, and that's the argument you want to support? |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 04:57 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. yes, the GOP cheated, but they didn't do it with Gallup polls |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 05:06 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. They did, and it was proved that Gallup cheated by polling more Republicans |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 05:57 PM Response to Reply #92 |
95. yes, because "Republicans" represented more of the population in Sept. 2004 |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 06:20 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. You are repeating a Rovian talking point. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 06:24 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. I am repeating polling numbers |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 06:26 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. You are repeating garbage. |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 09:48 AM Response to Reply #53 |
56. While we wait: |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 09:50 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. what's your problem there? That was true in 2004. And you still won't answer my questions |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 09:53 AM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Did you even read the thread? |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 09:54 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. of course I did. |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 10:06 AM Response to Reply #61 |
64. You're in denial. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 12:37 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. do I deny gallup is rigged based on what YOU have presented? Yes, I do. |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 01:19 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. It's not my evidence you're rejecting. It's the hard work of DUers. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 01:26 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. you've presented the "hard work" of DUers... |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 01:29 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. They proved that Gallup fudges demographics. That's a fact. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 01:31 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. HOW have the proven it? Names? Dates? Events? What EXACTLY has Gallup done? |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 01:38 PM Response to Reply #73 |
78. That you'll have to take up with Skinner. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 01:40 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Skinner? LOL! So you HAVE no proof. There is none. It's a new leftwing myth |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 01:48 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Oh my god. Listen to you. "A new leftwing mth." |
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venable (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 09:48 AM Response to Reply #45 |
55. What an illuminating phrase: 'leftist faux anger' |
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ChiciB1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 08:13 AM Response to Original message |
41. Novak Sucks... But I Do Think It's MUCH TOO Early To "Give" HRC |
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formernaderite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 02:13 PM Response to Reply #41 |
82. I had to tune out for a while for this alone |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 10:17 AM Response to Original message |
65. Novak is a pompous blowhard... |
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loveangelc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 01:33 PM Response to Reply #65 |
74. good, tbh |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 02:40 PM Response to Reply #74 |
84. What does tbh mean? |
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hijinx87 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
77. I'm not sure I take it especially seriously either |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
86. I take it as seriously as I took Joe Lieberman's lead at the same time in 2003 nt |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 04:46 PM Response to Original message |
88. Insiders Poll |
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loveangelc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 07:27 PM Response to Reply #88 |
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