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Austinitis (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 01:29 PM Original message |
How Hillary Might Still Win It |
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GarbagemanLB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 01:31 PM Response to Original message |
1. The popular vote is a useless metric in a system that has caucuses. Also, the 'flood of SDs' has |
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enid602 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 02:05 PM Response to Reply #1 |
35. circular |
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GarbagemanLB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 02:10 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. So you want to disenfranchise the caucus states? How democratic of you! |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 03:11 PM Response to Reply #35 |
83. Please provide a link to: |
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dchill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 03:37 PM Response to Reply #35 |
86. You're right! They won't dare. |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 02:40 PM Response to Reply #1 |
69. Democratic party prefers non-democratic causcus to popular vote? |
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GarbagemanLB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 02:42 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. So...screw the millions who voted in caucuses? |
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Austinitis (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 03:01 PM Response to Reply #70 |
78. No, count them in the popular vote. n/t |
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GarbagemanLB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 03:05 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. ...and for those states that don't release vote totals from their caucuses? |
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Austinitis (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 03:07 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. We have estimates |
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Straight Shooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 05:02 PM Response to Reply #69 |
98. They do now. |
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RiverStone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 02:48 PM Response to Reply #1 |
73. Why won't the MSM repeat your talking point?! |
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ingac70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
2. There are other races later that will offset any gain she makes in popular vote. n/t |
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Austinitis (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 01:32 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. No there aren't; look at the spreadsheet. n/t |
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mohc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 01:51 PM Response to Reply #3 |
23. And that spreadsheet is very aggressive for Clinton |
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Austinitis (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 01:59 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. It is, but the claim here |
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mohc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #29 |
41. If by can you mean |
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graycem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 02:36 PM Response to Reply #41 |
65. There was this |
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Connie_Corleone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
4. Democrats pick their nominee by DELEGATES, not by popular vote. |
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OhioBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
5. Hill's race ended last week. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
6. I agree |
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Austinitis (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 01:35 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. And Obama can be president of Utah! |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 01:36 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. He's got 31 states |
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Austinitis (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 01:56 PM Response to Reply #9 |
26. So why is the popular vote irrelevant while the number of states won suddenly is? |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #26 |
42. I never said states matter |
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julialnyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 05:07 PM Response to Reply #26 |
99. If we actually counted the popular vote from all states it would have more meaning |
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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 01:52 PM Original message |
He has just as good a chance as Hillary |
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Austinitis (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
28. See the maps |
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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 02:01 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Call me when the campaign starts. That doesn't mean shit right now. Kerry was up 12 points |
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Austinitis (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 02:03 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. I don't think that bodes well for us in Nov, then. |
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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 02:08 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. Again the Campaign hasn't even started |
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thevoiceofreason (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
7. The dam has been leaking super-d's for a while |
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GoneOffShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 02:20 PM Response to Reply #7 |
50. Is that anything like Diverticulitis? |
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datopbanana (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
10. 100,000,000th TIME: Popular vote means nothing in a primary. |
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DemVet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 02:03 PM Response to Reply #10 |
34. No, not until the remaining SD's need a gauge of whom to vote for |
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msallied (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 02:38 PM Response to Reply #34 |
67. And why would they change their minds? |
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datopbanana (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 04:56 PM Response to Reply #67 |
95. To HRC people a good gauge is any gauge that puts HRC ahead no matter how irrelevant it is. |
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PoliticalAmazon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
11. Unless Hillary cheats, the only way she can win is if Godzilla steps on Obama. ... |
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PoliticalAmazon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 01:49 PM Response to Reply #11 |
21. George Will on How Hillary Could Win.... |
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martymar64 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 05:11 PM Response to Reply #21 |
101. For a tool, George Will does have a way with words. |
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hendo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 07:15 PM Response to Reply #21 |
102. hillarious n/t |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
12. If that's all she's got, then EXCELLENT |
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2rth2pwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
13. Many SuperD's are waitng for that to happen, they will choose Hillary |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 01:47 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. Deleted message |
cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 03:58 PM Response to Reply #13 |
93. Obama already has the SDs he needs to put him over 2024 |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
14. I've never seen so many people out of touch with reality in one place . . . |
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sasquatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 01:41 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. What was that like? |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 01:57 PM Response to Reply #16 |
27. It made me realize the bona fide crazy people aren't locked up. nt |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 01:46 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Lets not disparage the Mentally Ill |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
15. First of all, this is a delegate battle. Secondly, those numbers are wrong. |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 02:29 PM Response to Reply #15 |
55. But you are trying to convince someone by |
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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
17. SO what is Obama not going to get any votes? Remember his votes are going to continue |
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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
20. She ONLY makes a popular vote argument by fudging the numbers in her favor |
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Austinitis (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 02:02 PM Response to Reply #20 |
32. She can get it without either of those. |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 02:14 PM Response to Reply #32 |
43. She HAS to exclude four caucus states |
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NewHampshireDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
22. In a state with 1.2 million registered voters? Really? |
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Austinitis (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #22 |
30. That's the projection on MSNBC... n/t |
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NewHampshireDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 02:07 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. Link or it didn't happen ... we don't get MSNBC here where I am n/t |
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Austinitis (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 02:17 PM Response to Reply #36 |
45. It's not my job to do your research for you. |
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NewHampshireDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 02:22 PM Response to Reply #45 |
51. Yup and I can use teh google ... and I did and found *nothing* on MSNBC saying HRC will get 1/2 mil |
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Austinitis (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 02:28 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. EAT IT - links |
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NewHampshireDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 02:33 PM Response to Reply #54 |
62. I like them just fine, thank you ... |
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Austinitis (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 02:34 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. That's not unreasonable given recent polls |
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NewHampshireDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 02:43 PM Response to Reply #63 |
71. You are overlooking the obvious, obvious flaw here ... |
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dmr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 02:31 PM Response to Reply #45 |
58. It's the general practice for those making a point to provide the proof |
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Austinitis (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 02:32 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. I found the links because he couldn't |
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NewHampshireDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. In all fairness, you cited MSNBC in your original post, but provided no link to MSNBC |
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Austinitis (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 02:49 PM Response to Reply #64 |
74. MSNBC doesn't put everything they say on TV on their website |
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Q3JR4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 03:43 PM Response to Reply #58 |
88. Not only is it insulting |
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Austinitis (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 03:46 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Do you have a source for that? |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
24. Wow. |
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Hawkeye-X (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 02:57 PM Response to Reply #24 |
76. Share the popcorn, don't bogart it, dude. |
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bobbert (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
25. I was expecting to see something like this |
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NewHampshireDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
39. Some perspective, which is clearly lacking here ... |
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Austinitis (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 02:20 PM Response to Reply #39 |
49. 132% of Kerry's vote from 2004 turned out in Indiana |
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NewHampshireDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 02:30 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. To achieve 500,000 Hillary would need 153% of Kerry's vote total |
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Austinitis (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 02:32 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. I'm saying Hillary could pick up 200,000 |
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HCE SuiGeneris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
40. "keep it going" Hmm. Who is it that devised a chaotic strategy similar to that? Hmm.... |
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indimuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
44. K&R |
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barack the house (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
46. It is a delegate race. As in any race you can't change the rules to win... |
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Clear Blue Sky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
47. Popular vote isn't the deciding factor. |
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Erin Elizabeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
48. Clinton can win! |
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Truth2Tell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
52. Maybe when... |
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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 02:25 PM Response to Original message |
53. Once again, she *CANNOT* win the primary without having 2025 DELEGATES |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
57. You got heart kid (nt) |
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Undercurrent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 02:33 PM Response to Original message |
61. According to Clinton math |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 02:38 PM Response to Original message |
66. Possible does not = plausible |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
68. She's not going to win - in fact, she's already lost. Get over it. n/t. |
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Voltaire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
72. SIGH....for the MILLIONTH TIME |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
75. How pigs can fly! See map... |
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lojasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
77. 20SD's in two weeks =flood. |
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gimberly (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 03:03 PM Response to Original message |
79. Hillary needs to roll 4 strikes in the 10th frame to win |
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Austinitis (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 03:41 PM Response to Reply #79 |
87. I don't think it's quite that hard |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
80. Hee hee. |
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SeaLyons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 03:12 PM Response to Original message |
84. K&R for Hillary |
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Q3JR4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
85. The top 4 ways hillary wins this election. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
90. Oh, but he has gotten that flood of SDs. 26 in the last week. |
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Austinitis (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 03:50 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. If it's 90 to 10 against Obama tonight it's over for him. n/t |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 03:56 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. OK. That'll happen. LOL. |
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Austinitis (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 04:16 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. I'm not saying that it will - just that their are outcomes tonight that could alter the course of |
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jesus_of_suburbia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 04:57 PM Response to Original message |
96. Hillary is NOT GOING TO WIN THIS ELECTION. GET OVER IT! |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 04:58 PM Response to Original message |
97. All she needs to do is trade the cow for the magic beans, and she's good to go. |
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julialnyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
100. POPULAR VOTE DOESN'T COUNT CAUCUS STATES!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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