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nosillies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 11:44 AM
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Matthew 25 has put together a form for responding directly to Dobson about his projections
http://www.matthew25.org/fotf_response.php

Although he's stuck on stupid and will probably never get it, this gives him a chance to hear from Christians what we really think about his fear-mongering and delusions.

If you haven't read his latest work of fiction, here you go:
http://focusfamaction.edgeboss.net/download/focusfamaction/pdfs/10-22-08_2012letter.pdf
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 01:28 PM
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1. James Dobson - theology of ignorance, fear, and hate.
How I loathe that man and the despicable form of Christianity he represents.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 03:11 PM
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2. Here's mine:
Your distortions of Christ's message are so egregious that I sometimes wonder if you and your fellow fundamentalists are on the Other Side.

Thanks to you and others like you, who take advantage of the average person's ignorance of the Bible, theology, history, and current events to gain money and power, good-hearted people who might have otherwise been receptive to Christ's message are completely turned off by anything with the word "Christian" in it.

Your image of god is not the Almighty Creator of the Universe, the loving Savior, or the inspirational Holy Spirit, but a petty American Puritan nationalist, who worships wealth, conventional commercial culture, and militarism and obsesses about other people's personal behavior. Joining one of the megachurches founded by your ideological brethren seems to make a person meaner and dumber. Seeing this transformation only makes an unchurched person determined never to have anything to do with church.

So next time you make a public pronouncement, Mr. Dobson, make it clear that you're not speaking for all Christians, just your own self-righteous, warped version of it, because you sure don't speak for me or for anyone else in my church.
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nosillies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 05:17 PM
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3. good one! n/t
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 03:12 PM
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4. Hey - I got a response to my letter to them! It was a canned letter, though.
Sadly, they didn't actually take on any of my points, such great lines as

As a *serious* Christian I have long thought that your ignorant bloviations were ungodly and unbiblical.

I hope that... your voices will be relegated back to the dark, insignificant margins where it belongs.

To think that you speak for Christianity is a laughable and, quite honestly, a disgustingly unholy proposition.


All I got was this, the letter in its entirety (except my personal info, obviously), with some of the more wonderful heresies and/or lies bolded:

Thanks for your e-mail. It was good of you to offer your candid reaction to Focus on the Family Action’s "Letter from 2012 in Obama’s America."

We’ve heard from many people who found this resource helpful; some, like you, have disagreed with our approach. While critics of this document accuse us of engaging in "sensationalist fiction," it’s vital to underscore that we are not claiming to make definitive predictions on what a Barack Obama presidency would produce.

However, as the "Letter from 2012" makes evident, every scenario outlined in this piece is plausible based on recent documented events, court rulings, the Democratic Party’s stated agenda, and Senator Obama’s voting record and campaign promises. We invite you to re-read the introduction of the letter (http://focusfamaction.edgeboss.net/download/focusfamaction/pdfs/10-22-08_2012letter.pdf) which clearly states that we are neither employing unfounded "fear tactics" nor speaking out with mean-spirited intent. On the contrary, we’ve posted a reasonable projection of what *could* occur with a Senator Obama presidency and a Democratic-controlled Congress. Of course, we hope and pray that none of the possible outcomes described in "Letter from 2012" come to pass.

It might be beneficial to provide some additional background on our mission to help you better understand our reasons for engaging in the public policy realm. We have no interest in partisan politics; rather, we care deeply about the sanctity of human life, the value of marriage, and the preservation of religious freedom. Dr. Dobson has espoused these crucial issues since he launched Focus on the Family in 1977 and has always encouraged people to consider them at the ballot box. Despite what the Matthew 25 Network and other pro-Obama action groups may say, we contend that Senator Obama’s record *significantly* differs from the pro-life and pro-family policies that many Christians hold dear. Some may label this "fearmongering" -- we call it a sobering, rational assessment based on actual events documented in the letter.

It might be helpful for you to read a concise summary of four key points that motivate us in our actions:

1) Senator Barack Obama’s record is well outside the mainstream. For example, he was rated the most liberal United States senator by the _National Journal_ in 2007 (http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/).

2) A Democratic president, House and Senate has significant implications for pro-family policies. _The Wall Street Journal_ has stated that this election will usher in "one of the most profound political and ideological shifts in U.S. history" if the Democrats control the White House and possess congressional majorities, including a filibuster-proof Senate (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122420205889842989.html). This type of unchecked power, not seen since 1965, demands that voters critically examine the policies advocated by the Democratic Party.

3) Senator Obama’s commitment to causes championed by extreme liberal groups such as Planned Parenthood Action Fund and the Human Rights Campaign (HRC), both of which have endorsed him, are a source of great concern. Earlier this year, Senator Obama pledged that if elected president, he would advocate for and sign the "Freedom of Choice Act," which would repeal virtually every federal and state law regulating or limiting abortion -- including parental involvement laws for teenagers, late-term abortion bans, and limits on public funding of abortion. He has also indicated that he will make it a priority to repeal the "Defense of Marriage Act," which allows states to restrict marriage to one man and one woman. In addition, he backs other HRC-supported initiatives including the passage of "hate crimes" legislation and the "Employment Non-Discrimination Act" (http://washingtonblade.com/thelatest/thelatest.cfm?blog_id=20935). Similar legislation has penalized Christians who hold a biblical view of sexuality.

4) Senator Obama’s stated appreciation of United States Supreme Court Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stephen Breyer, and David Souter -- along with his votes against the nominations of Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Samuel Alito -- indicate he would appoint judges with a judicial philosophy detrimental to pro-family causes.

On a final note, organizational endorsements of political candidates wed groups to their candidate in a way that may not lend itself to an honest critique of that individual’s weaknesses. As you’re likely aware, the group behind the Matthew 25 Web site endorsed Senator Obama for president.

Again, thanks for writing. We hope this response has helped clarify our perspective and explained why we feel the Matthew 25 Network’s version of "choosing hope" without a sober look at the troubling elements of Senator Obama’s candidacy is misguided. Grace and peace to you.


It is an evil, evil organization.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 04:00 PM
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5. Ooh, I got the same letter!
And I wrote a response: "You're either ignorant or lying."
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 04:42 PM
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6. False dichotomy. They're both ignorant AND lying. nt
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