My father was a victim of and killed by an American for profit health care death panel.

America has spent the past 40+ years allowing death insurance companies to select who they will cover to ensure their own profits.

Why call it death insurance?

If you are sick with a pre-existing medical condition, insurance companies will insure or "ensure" that YOU DIE.

We already have had death panels in place in America for several decades. Declining to cover those who are already insured by denying coverage to medical procedures such as open heart surgery etc. Also, insurance companies have actively engaged in flat out refusal to insure the uninsured who have pre-existing conditions. Ensuring their death by denying them.

My father's story...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5622733&mesg_id=5622733

I'm not trying to imply that my dad's story is any more important than the stories of many DU'ers loved ones. Many of us have watched this happen to a loved one.

Health Care for profit is GENOCIDE.

For profit healthcare is a moral issue. Many believe universal coverage is a basic human right. I agree!

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The last time an insurance company said they'd write a policy was almost 15 years ago and would have cost me nearly twice as much as my mortgage did.

It was a contest between insurance and a home. I couldn't afford both.

Oh, and they exempted my pre existing condition, which means they would likely pay for nothing but injuries, no illnesses.

I very prudently decided that shelter was more important than fattening their executives and declined.

Those bastards have been trying to neglect me to death for 22 years.

To say I am angry that they have been allowed to do it by an uncaring country is the understatement of the century.

"To say I am angry that they have been allowed to do it by an uncaring country is the understatement of the century."

Spoken by a witness of death care for profit.

I hope for your sake and everyone's sake that we will win the fight for health care reform.

September will be a huge month in American history. I hope the Senate can reach a deal and pass a strong public option. I'm a single payer advocate but the PO is a good start.

I hope that people like you will soon be able to afford coverage.

Peace.

We should have a march to the Canadian border... hell, I'll even lead it. When we get there, I'll step up to the booth and say, with a million Americans waiting behind me, "These are my friends, and I want to bring them in to immigrate and get on universal health care. They are all good people, and would be an asset to Canadian society." Just think of the media overage! THAT might get some heads turning!

My family is without insurance and I have concerns about my husband's health. He has glaucoma and his vision seems to be fading fast. I noticed a spot on his head about a year ago and he's afraid to get it looked at because of the history of cancer in his family. We tried to get insurance and they denied my husband coverage because he was taking steroids for his asthma. It's such a vile system and I guess you don't even think about it until you're stuck in it.

for people like you. I hear some of these stories and it makes my blood boil. I do hope that you share your stories as much as you can on line. I think Dean had a place on his site,or maybe even Obamas sites that had a place where you can post your horror stories. It may help. It is ironic though that most of the turfers and those against single payer are either on government medicare, or are rich enough to afford gold plated insurance, and they turn a blind eye too the reality of it. Makes me sick.

I couldn't say it any better.

I hope that Obama's plan for a public option will become law soon. I'm a single payer advocate but if a PO is a stepping stone to single payer, which I beleive it is then I'll take it for now.

My heart goes out to you and your family and I hope that you and all people will soon be able to buy affordable coverage.

Our nation turns its back on the sick. Its gotta stop.

Peace.

The fact is, that people rant against a single payer system don't know of this stuff til it happens to them, and if every one of those turfers could hear his story, some of them might change their tune. I was brought up in Canada under Universal Health care there, and I can tell you for a fact, that under that system, your father would have gotten what he needed, and been alive today. He may have had to wait a few months, but not twenty years. It's ironic that people in a country right next door are being saved because of a skinny little Baptist preacher from Saskatchewan who had a vision. And down here, people are being held hostage to billionaires and corporate interest. I am appalled and saddened to hear of your fathers story, and the fact that you served your country is another travesty. my heart goes out to you, and keep up the fight. If and when a single payer system gets passed, it should be named after somebody like him.

for the kind words. That brought a tear to my eye.

America could learn a lot from our friends up north. If we could only open our eyes.

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It's funny how the system differs. I am a Union person myself,living in the US, and am now on Cobra after taking a break from work to play music. I am covered, for now until it runs out, and yet I am still afraid to go to the doctor for even minor aches and pains. I am used to just walking into a clinic and seeing a doctor, and getting whatever I need. But here, it's a much different feeling. I never thought it would be like that, but I am caught up in whether or not I want to go ahead with US citizenship, or retire back up north. It all is hinging on if Obama can bring in single payer. If not, I will go back to work and build up my hours, but even then, if something goes really wrong, I know that I will be wiped out by co-pays and refusal of coverage. It's really scary!

+1

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counter it with YOUR facts as stated above.
These RW fools are in a trance , and it has to be broken.

My RW neighbor, sweet little 80 y/o lady, is taking me to the dr. and we are going to have
a very interesting conversation...count on it.

Peace.

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who are taught how to exclude as many of their insured from coverage as possible and where the insured only have the rights enumerated in the fine print of a contract instead of federal legislation. That frightening scenario is what we should be talking about every time the conservative psychos try to scare us with their stupid government death panel slogans.

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And that's the capitalism thing gone amuck. TO stick to the idea of profit as #1 just because we are a capitalist society is absured. 80-90% of us are NOT capitalist in any way. Sure, we all love wealth and a high standard of living, but that is human nature. To conclude that everything is open to capitalism is just not rational. Yet you hear it from the RW only because that's what their "leaders" tell them. There was an interesting thread here about Hitler being an "art Genius" and it reminded me of how he led the German people down the path they all went, by telling them what they wanted to hear. This is no different, and it's ironic how the RW is using this nazi theme all over the place. I guess what I am trying to say here is that certain social needs don't fit into the capitalist box. It's virtually impossible for them to place human needs in the same category as material goods. Hell, I am all open for that, sell all the material goods you want and keep the economy rolling, I'll even pat you on the back for that, as long as you don't try to push Chinese made crap on me. BUT! Lay off my body and it's physical maintenance!

not genocide.

Genocide has a completely different definition. Unless the denial of care is targeted only at a specific ethnic demographic, it cannot, by definition, be genocide.

If we are not careful with our definitions, we make ourselves look ridiculous.

Some pencil pusher in an office putting an "X" on somebodies life is just that.... murder.

instead of a march on Washington, and demand refugee status, just to make a point. Hell, think of the media coverage! Hell, I'll even lead it, and step up to the booth at the border and say" I am bringing my million American friends in to immigrate to Canada so they can get Universal Health care and won't be killed by corporate greed. They are all good people and would be an asset to Canadian society" Now THAT would cause a stir!:fistbump:

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(All this typing is making me thirsty!)