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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 10:35 AM Original message |
Ending the Ayn Rand-ian Fantasy |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
1. This post has made some stealth, Randian unreccer unhappy! |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 10:40 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. The Neolibs have been in a tizzy lately......Reality is catching up with them. |
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ashling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 11:37 AM Response to Reply #1 |
7. Get over the unrec thing already |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 12:35 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. funny how there seems to be swarms of unrecs on postings that don't lockstep |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 06:01 PM Response to Reply #7 |
19. Aye, aye, Captain! |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-13-10 01:48 AM Response to Reply #19 |
59. A neurotic Russian refugee with an axe to grind wrote with such shallow self serving insight for th |
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donquijoterocket (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-13-10 02:13 PM Response to Reply #59 |
91. Randy |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-13-10 05:17 AM Response to Reply #7 |
64. I made up for your accident by rec'ing. I don't usually rec. |
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ashling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-13-10 02:32 PM Response to Reply #64 |
92. You misunderstand |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 06:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
21. The unhappier the better. |
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Duval (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-13-10 08:30 AM Response to Reply #1 |
72. Yeah, awwwwwww.... Guess the truth hurts! |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
3. I have always said that Ayn Rand is taken as an Author with something to say |
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Bigmack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 03:13 PM Response to Reply #3 |
10. I'm stealing the "non-self-inflicted...." quote! Wicked! nt |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 04:22 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. +100 |
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certainot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-13-10 10:49 AM Response to Reply #11 |
78. self inflicted orgasms may have a lot to do with it! |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-13-10 01:48 AM Response to Reply #3 |
58. Loving another human being is incompatible with loving Ayn Rand. |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-13-10 04:33 PM Response to Reply #3 |
94. ... ironically your tongue in cheek comment (awesome BTW) may also explain... |
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JitterbugPerfume (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
4. I wish I could convince my Rand loving friends and family |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 07:32 PM Response to Reply #4 |
31. Are they independently wealthy? Don't need health insurance? |
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MrScorpio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 10:47 AM Response to Original message |
5. DUer, Telly Savalas said it best... |
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Shining Jack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-13-10 01:31 AM Response to Reply #5 |
56. Thanks for the link. |
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FSogol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-13-10 08:04 AM Response to Reply #5 |
70. +100. Yup, that was a classic. n/t |
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Robeson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-13-10 10:32 AM Response to Reply #5 |
77. Thanks for the link... |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-13-10 01:14 PM Response to Reply #5 |
85. The religious right hates her |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-13-10 05:06 PM Response to Reply #85 |
96. There is a difference between the actual "conservatives" and the morons they use |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-13-10 04:43 PM Response to Reply #5 |
95. Actually an awesome read, thank you very much for the link |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
6. KnR. LOTR is one of those works I would advise any kid to read as early as 4th grade.... |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 06:22 PM Response to Reply #6 |
26. LOTR is about friendship, self sacrifice for the greater good, the seductive nature of power |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 07:37 PM Response to Reply #26 |
34. Never read it -- isn't there a movie? |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-13-10 11:50 AM Response to Reply #34 |
80. The movies focus more on action, adventure and monsters. The other messages are |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-13-10 01:40 PM Response to Reply #80 |
88. Oh, for a second there I thought you meant the Atlas Shrugged movie |
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Tutankhamun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-13-10 01:05 PM Response to Reply #34 |
84. Those LOTR movies all put me to sleep. |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 08:13 PM Response to Reply #6 |
37. I think it's perfectly targeted at the adolescent stages of cognitive development. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 08:49 PM Response to Reply #6 |
41. The One Ring represents the corruptable nature of power. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 11:31 PM Response to Reply #6 |
50. Please, by the 4th grade I was chewing my way through the Foundation trilogy. |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-13-10 01:56 AM Response to Reply #50 |
60. Probably not, but then neither was my family. We were all prolific readers... |
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dhill926 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
8. enthusiastic K&R.......... |
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Lars77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
12. Just ordered that book |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
13. K&R |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 05:00 PM Response to Original message |
14. kick |
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DailyGrind51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 05:28 PM Response to Original message |
15. A letter in the Chicago Tribune made similar observations. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 05:38 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Excellent! Thanks for posting that! nt |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 06:11 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. I noticed this timorous apologia re Rand and all her works by some poor dolt, |
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lolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 07:36 PM Response to Reply #22 |
33. Psychopath--or at least a wannabe |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 06:17 PM Response to Reply #15 |
25. Very good! |
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DailyGrind51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-13-10 09:31 AM Response to Reply #25 |
75. Barbara Lipkin resides in the very Republican DuPage County! |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-13-10 12:23 PM Response to Reply #75 |
81. Well then, |
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DailyGrind51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-13-10 03:52 PM Response to Reply #81 |
93. You bet! Lipkin is a bright light of wisdom in the cavern of ignorance. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 07:31 PM Response to Reply #15 |
30. good point, she just could not face the fact that everyone is not |
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DailyGrind51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-13-10 09:29 AM Response to Reply #30 |
74. I encourage all objectivists and libertarians to smoke! |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-13-10 02:00 AM Response to Reply #15 |
61. Beautiful. I read Ayn Rand around the same time, maybe in 1962. |
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DailyGrind51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-13-10 09:34 AM Response to Reply #61 |
76. Most mature beyond Rand's philosophy. Unfortunately, those who don't also vote and draft policy. |
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Fokker Trip (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-13-10 08:55 AM Response to Reply #15 |
73. Great post |
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MisterP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-13-10 12:29 PM Response to Reply #73 |
83. she was infatuated with a guy who Black Dahlia'd a 12-year-old |
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lolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 05:44 PM Response to Original message |
17. Race and Randianism? |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 05:53 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Personality disorder and Randiism. |
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lolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 06:12 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. hmmm--you think so? |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 07:34 PM Response to Reply #24 |
32. That's interesting that you can pick them out without them specifically |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 08:34 PM Response to Reply #24 |
39. Egotistical behavior often masks low self-esteem. n/t |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 09:02 PM Response to Reply #24 |
43. Sounds like mild sociopathy and Narcissistic Personality Disorder to me. |
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lolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-13-10 12:10 AM Response to Reply #43 |
52. Exactly |
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SemperEadem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-13-10 06:35 AM Response to Reply #43 |
66. in other words |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 09:58 PM Response to Reply #24 |
45. I had them in classes too. |
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lolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-13-10 12:16 AM Response to Reply #45 |
53. Ah, yes, the pouting |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-13-10 01:27 PM Response to Reply #17 |
86. Not racist |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
20. Looks like someone has been reading another fantasy novel |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 08:00 PM Response to Reply #20 |
36. Capitalism has created Global Warming . . . |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 08:19 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. You're funny! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 08:37 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. You're not -- !! |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-13-10 01:42 PM Response to Reply #38 |
89. China is a pristine example of State Capitalism (n/t) |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-13-10 05:19 PM Response to Reply #38 |
97. If you are pretending that Das Kapital and Atlas Shrugged are similar works... |
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DBoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 11:48 PM Response to Reply #20 |
51. Das Kapital is *not* a fantasy novel |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-13-10 12:27 PM Response to Reply #51 |
82. Ah, a "no true Scotsman" |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-13-10 01:45 PM Response to Reply #82 |
90. The only nation on Earth with the capability to be self-sustaining |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-13-10 05:30 PM Response to Reply #82 |
98. Yeah, but you are too still stuck in a fallacy |
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DBoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-13-10 09:50 PM Response to Reply #82 |
99. Das Kapital is irrelevant to any communist regime, past or current |
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jeff47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-13-10 12:41 AM Response to Reply #20 |
54. Tip: One does not have to choose only between two idiotic extremes (nt) |
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WinstonSmith4740 (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 06:12 PM Response to Original message |
23. And they took her seriously... |
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lefty2000 (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 07:02 PM Response to Original message |
27. I was an objectivist |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
28. The first line is a killer. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
29. Ayn Rand and Greenspan, etal deserve a stake thru the heart -- |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 07:47 PM Response to Original message |
35. They're going to be experiencing the same kind of withdrawal as they blamed Avatar for, difference |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 08:52 PM Response to Original message |
42. The computer game Bioshock is a brilliant example of Randianism gone Bad. |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-13-10 02:56 AM Response to Reply #42 |
63. I'll second this |
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SemperEadem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-13-10 06:45 AM Response to Reply #63 |
68. Ha! It's interesting that that guide's name is Atlas. |
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SemperEadem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-13-10 06:41 AM Response to Reply #42 |
67. exactly. |
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WileEcoyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 09:26 PM Response to Original message |
44. Every Randian type I ever met was a spoiled rich kid |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 10:23 PM Response to Original message |
46. Tolkien as anti-dote? |
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NAO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
47. Article by her disciple Branden on Hazards of Philosophy of Ayn Rand |
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WorseBeforeBetter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 11:07 PM Response to Original message |
48. "Plugging the Gulf oil leak with the works of Ayn Rand." |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 11:20 PM Response to Original message |
49. Don't forget _Steppenwulf_! Teens seem to love that one. nt |
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loudsue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-13-10 01:07 AM Response to Original message |
55. So true. |
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Shining Jack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-13-10 01:35 AM Response to Original message |
57. K&R |
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chillspike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-13-10 02:15 AM Response to Original message |
62. Rand Illusion |
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SemperEadem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-13-10 06:22 AM Response to Original message |
65. I recommended it just on the title alone. |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-13-10 06:53 AM Response to Original message |
69. I read some of her work in the early '50's when I was a lad....Didn't think much of it then... |
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Duval (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-13-10 08:28 AM Response to Original message |
71. Her "democracy", "theocracy", "plutocracy" is without a soul. |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-13-10 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
79. I just read the Wikipedia article about "Atlas Shrugged" |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-13-10 01:36 PM Response to Reply #79 |
87. You did just find one of the many holes |
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