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warrior1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 12:55 PM Original message |
Not so bad afterall. Good read from TPM. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
1. +1. nt |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 03:38 PM Response to Reply #1 |
50. Josh Marshall did not write that. In fact, his reponse was, "The fact that there are cuts?" |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 03:54 PM Response to Reply #50 |
60. Josh further states.. |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 03:56 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. I read it and appreciate it but it has zero bearing on the point the OP was trying to make. |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 03:58 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. They didn't turn out because Obama had already let them down on Single Payer and prosecuting war |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 04:06 PM Response to Reply #65 |
74. The largest swing between 2008-2010 in voting demographics were independents. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-11 09:19 PM Response to Reply #74 |
89. Independents want Single Payer, not Romneycare. |
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Aerows (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 05:36 PM Response to Reply #65 |
84. You are starting to become my favorite poster |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
2. but...but...but.. Obama caved!!111 |
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trueblue2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 01:04 PM Response to Reply #2 |
14. oh he did not cave |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-11 09:18 PM Response to Reply #2 |
88. A majority of Tea Party voted for the bill. They are very happy. Majority of Dems did not. |
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tsuki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
3. How did he keep revenues on the table? |
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warrior1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 12:58 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. bush tax cuts will not be extended. |
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rurallib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 01:01 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. they weren't going to be extended last October either. |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 04:20 PM Response to Reply #8 |
77. +100 n/t |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 01:02 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. Now WHERE have I heard THAT one before? |
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SharonRB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 01:06 PM Response to Reply #5 |
18. And other revenue will be dealt with |
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tsuki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 02:07 PM Response to Reply #18 |
32. Special commission cannot deal with taxes. Art. 1 Section 7 Clause 1, |
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jeff47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 03:31 PM Response to Reply #18 |
49. Haven't been paying much attention the last two weeks then? (nt) |
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piratefish08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 01:09 PM Response to Reply #5 |
23. deja fucking vu' |
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tsuki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 02:05 PM Response to Reply #5 |
31. Wait, there will be another politicalapalooza and the tax cuts will be extended. nt |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 02:08 PM Response to Reply #5 |
33. They could extend them in 2013 if there is a different president. |
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myrna minx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-11 08:06 AM Response to Reply #5 |
87. They were set to expire before - and he caved into the terrorists demands. |
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DFab420 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
4. NOOOOOO!!!! This goes against my constructed reality where my Progressive values |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 03:39 PM Response to Reply #4 |
51. Josh Marshall did not write that. A reader did and Josh disagrees with the writer. |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 03:56 PM Response to Reply #51 |
62. Josh is not disagreeing with the reader. Really read what Josh |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 04:00 PM Response to Reply #62 |
69. Actually, he disagreed with the question raised and then offered his own critique of the process. |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
6. Nothing. Energy is better spent on the races in Wisconsin, and |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 01:09 PM Response to Reply #6 |
21. I'm noticing a pattern where the goal is always to get re-elected n/t |
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Sheepshank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 04:48 PM Response to Reply #21 |
81. I almost read a "pattern of moving the goal." |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
7. what is wrong? Only that we've set the precedent of negotiating with Terrorists... |
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DearAbby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 02:24 PM Response to Reply #7 |
36. + 10000 |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 04:21 PM Response to Reply #36 |
78. ditto n/t |
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SpartanDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
9. The biggest for people here is it feels bad |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
11. it doesn't pass the "Progressive Purity Test". |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 02:21 PM Response to Reply #11 |
35. Oh yeah, trot out the old "progressive purity" cliche again. |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 03:26 PM Response to Reply #35 |
48. just because its "old" doesnt mean its incorrect. |
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Sheepshank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 04:46 PM Response to Reply #48 |
80. there ya go, trying to make sense again. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 03:58 PM Response to Reply #11 |
64. +1 there is no way any deal was going to |
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KurtNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
12. but that would mean that the MSM lied to us! |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
13. always takes a day or so before the facts come out... |
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DocMac (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 01:14 PM Response to Reply #13 |
28. Well, |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 03:50 PM Response to Reply #13 |
57. So you take the OP at face value? |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
15. K&R... |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
16. The Bipartisan Committee is what's wrong. Look out for SS, Medicare, Medicaid cut proposals... |
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misanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
17. "Only" Medicare provider cuts... |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 01:07 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Yep. Provider cuts = beneficiary cuts when they can't see their doctor. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 01:09 PM Response to Reply #17 |
24. Overton Window theory = making what was previously unacceptable acceptable |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 01:13 PM Response to Reply #17 |
26. Singe payer, or public option, would become reality if services were denied by hospitals, etc. |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 02:58 PM Response to Reply #17 |
46. Fuck that...I'm pissed at "only provider cuts" for a different reason... |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
20. the Wall Street Journal disagrees.... |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 02:11 PM Response to Reply #20 |
34. ROFL: The WSJ's argument is that since the Bush tax cuts will expire |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 02:32 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. they are already using the rhetoric they'll use later.... |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 02:45 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. Gahahaha |
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Dawson Leery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
22. There are two problems. |
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ProfessionalLeftist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 01:13 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Yea that precedent thing is a HUGE problem as well. |
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ProfessionalLeftist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
25. "Everything will be on the table again in November" -BHO 7/31/11 |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
29. Just lay back and enjoy the rape. |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 02:48 PM Response to Reply #29 |
45. Rape as a political metaphor (for anything other than war) is always flawed (and offensive) |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
30. Josh Marshall talking sense |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 03:43 PM Response to Reply #30 |
52. Josh didn't write that, a reader did. Josh disagreed with it. |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 03:58 PM Response to Reply #52 |
66. Josh did not disagree with it. He actually is agreeing with it. His |
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Cognitive_Resonance (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
37. The Tea Baggers have nothing to celebrate. K&R |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 04:00 PM Response to Reply #37 |
68. Nothing. Their goal was to hang entitlement cuts around the neck |
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county worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 02:33 PM Response to Original message |
39. adding in only provider cuts in the trigger |
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county worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 02:33 PM Response to Original message |
40. adding in only provider cuts in the trigger |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
41. Spin . No revenues only cuts during massive unemployment |
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Solomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 02:43 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Spin? There's so many other threads you could have put your |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 03:53 PM Response to Reply #43 |
58. When this thing passes, YOU watch what it does to the economy |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 03:44 PM Response to Reply #41 |
53. Hey, guess what? Josh Marshall didn't write that, a reader did and Josh disagreed with him! |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 03:54 PM Response to Reply #53 |
59. There's a concerted disinfo effort here today. It's disgusting. n/t |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 03:57 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. All these people trying to score a partisan point by using a comment by A READER of TPM as evidence |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 04:20 PM Response to Reply #63 |
76. They're cheering against Obama's re-election and |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 04:01 PM Response to Reply #53 |
70. As many times as you post that, I will correct you. Josh is agreeing |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
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tanyev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
47. K & R |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
54. Unrec for pretending a reader of TPM is the position of TPM. Josh disagreed with that readers |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 04:02 PM Response to Reply #54 |
71. Again..Josh's question is rhetorical. He's actually agreeing with |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
55. But...but..but...He didn't get rid of the Bush tax cuts.... |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 03:48 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. The OP is NOT the position of TPM. It is a comment from a reader and Josh disagrees. |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 03:58 PM Response to Reply #56 |
67. you are confused.. read it again. |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 04:03 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. I read it. He answered the question, went on to castigate people for not voting because |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 05:31 PM Response to Reply #72 |
83. did you read this part? |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 04:04 PM Response to Reply #67 |
73. Thank you DCBob. This character does't understand that Josh is |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 04:12 PM Response to Reply #56 |
75. Did you read beyond that first line? |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
79. It depends. What was the alternative? |
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FourScore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-01-11 04:50 PM Response to Original message |
82. I'm not a huge fan of Obama, but the Obama bashing is out of control around here. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-11 09:22 PM Response to Reply #82 |
91. We're bashing the Super-Congress they just enacted. You've heard of that, right? |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-11 01:41 AM Response to Original message |
85. Geez I dunno. Maybe a fascist SuperCongress bent on cutting Social Security and Medicare? n/t |
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liberalla (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-11 08:03 AM Response to Original message |
86. Thanks Josh. I'm glad to read a more reasoned and less |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-11 09:21 PM Response to Original message |
90. It's amazing.. |
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