Reply #93: Disagree [View All]

> Like I said, I didn't do demo but I assume we are talking abut fractions of a second time intervals on thousands of charges. This is not feasible with anything other than hard wire.

I didn't do any explosives (though i know some of the basics) but i do know electronics, including radio technology.

As you probably know E/M waves (radio) travels at the speed of light; 300,000km/sec or 1/300,000 of a second for 1 km, that's 3.3 thousandth-of-a-thousandth of a second.
From demo's i have seen it seems delays are in the order of one-tenth of a second, maybe one-hundredth of a second in some cases. I can't imagine there'd be a point in using intervals in the order of microseconds for demolition.
So detonation intervals are several orders of magnitude longer then travel delays of radio signals over distances up to a few km. Travel delay of the signal is essentially a non-issue, even local bouncing of the signal would cause no problem. There'd be latency in the order of milliseconds inside the equipment but that's a known fixed latency that can easily be taken into account.
I don't see why you could not have practically perfect control over the delay times needed for detonation intervals when using wireless control.

* No demo company in the world uses any system based on radio. An electrical fired cap is susceptible to interference and detonation from things like radios and flo lights. They all use hard wire because it is not AS susceptible to interference and detonation. Software would have to be written to control the sequence. Use a cell phone? ever get an echo that is a problem for controlled explosions. If you are blowing up a mine or single charge, non issue. Blowing hundreds in sequence and one misfires you have a problem. The systems I worked with were allowed zero tolerance for failure. A single charge detonating out of sequence causes the system to fail. Needless to say it was hardwired.

> Someone would notice if the building was being prepped for demo.

Some technicians going into the maintenance shafts, maybe placing equipment to measure mechanical stresses in the building. All official according to schedule, so security isn't alarmed. The owner knows, he's in on it.

* To implode a building requires weakening it and placing cutting charges on beams pre scored to allow the SC to work properly. Even if done properly, a bunch of ISLAMIC fundies flying jets into it would damage the charges.

> Someone would notice the EFFECT of the demo on the raw material.

There'd be little effect during the explosion if you can call it that. It "cuts" through the material, right? it won't be silent but there's a lot of noise anyway. It certainly isn't the force of the explosion that breaks the beams; it's the cutting action of the hot copper. On this forum there has been mention of a company that specializes in such charges that actually are relatively quite, it's what they pride themselves on. I guess it'd be mainly a matter of slowing down the explosion/burning to reduce the noise, and that it can be slowed so that it doesn't actually do much of a "bang".
More then a few videos of the collapse show *something* that looks a lot like puffs of dust and debris caused by explosions.

Then there'd be an effect in the form of traces of the burning as you described previously. There has been very little forensic investigation of the rubble, none official that i know of and any investigation was very brief because the steel rubble was rather quickly sold and shipped to several 3rd world nations. Of course reports of non-official investigations are easy to keep out of the media. It's even easy to keep parts of official reports out of the news, such as the FEMA finding that they can not plausibly explain what caused WTC7 to collapse (see FEMA website).

* Anyone with a high school education would see a copper splattered beam that looks like it had been cut with a torch as out of place. Sorry the guys cleaning up the site would see this.

> The Demo charges would be upset by some ISLAMIC Extremest from SA flying into the building in the wrong spot.

Yes, but not so that they'd go off and you'd still have plenty of charges left to bring the building down. The spot that got hit by the plane is already damaged so that doesn't have to be a problem in bringing down the building. You can take the problem of upset charges into account in the configuration of the charges and the time between the planes hitting and the collapse would be plenty of time to reconfigure the sequence and intervals of detonations if needed. First pulverize the part above where the plane hit, then the rest. Primarily the central core of the building had to be cut into pieces.


*Never did demo but my understanding is that charge sequence is critical.

> The plan to use aircraft as weapons was discussed by ISLAMIC extremists in SE Asia a decade ago.

Which BUSH and the PNAC gang knew full well, but publicly denied knowing. It was their defense for not doing anything to prevent it.
They LIED OUTRIGHT about that beyond any shadow of a doubt.

> Sorry I don't buy this bullshit.

I have no reason whatsoever to believe anything the Bush gang says.
For me peace is still peace and war is war. Peace through war is an illusion that helps keep us under control and lines the pockets of the already filthy rich global power mongering elites. In reality it's not peace, just war and a population living in "entangled in webs of endless deceit".

Morality is a hindrance if you are convinced the people need to be deceived in order to keep them in line (L Strauss, Neo-cons, Reaganites and company).
They are capable of doing anything they think they can get away with.


* I don't like them but the concept that they orchestrated 9/11 is pretty damn dumb in my book.