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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 01:54 PM
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62. Hmm

It's weird how people who are struggling to pay thier rent or afford healthcare, can tolerate a super-wealthy person pushing a tax cut for themselves,a ceo giving himself a golden parachute as his company falls because of his incompetance,or some rich pundit saying it's 'nessary' to put a limit on minimum wage.When in reality minimum wage barely pays the rent,and most people getting minimum wage have to work 2 jobs to live.What ith caps on minimum wage and the cost of living rising,they'll have to find a way to work all day and all night and swear off sleep,they already eat from vending machines and let other people raise thier kids.

It's weird to me how so many people can swallow the idea of cuts in medicare,vets benifiets,and worthless 401k's and will not force these issues by forcing the rich to comply with simple human needs.

But if you dare propose limits on the reach of the wealthy into our pockets and it's blasphemy. Why???

What is so awful about putting a cap on how much excess wealth can be hoarded by a single person or family? Why not put a limit on the MAXIMUM wage someone can earn? I mean limiting wages to,say,two million fore every year is that a decent enough wage? I can't imagine getting two million dollars every year.Wealth caps would free up alot of money the rich are hiding in banks and free up resorces others need,and such for everyone else to use .I bet we would have decent public transportation, universal healthcare,old people wouldn't have to choose between food or medicine,and we'd have top notch schools if all that hoarded money was given back to the producers of wealth the citizens who are not wealthy but work all day and thier families. We would have the stability we all seek,but gets taken from us bit by bit by the hegemony of the wealthy..
After all it's a collective effort to create this civilization,society and this system,we should all benifiet from it whether we work or not,because we are all human beings,we have needs,limits and differences, and none of us chose to be here..WE are all worthy of a decent life,different and Equal.

The super wealthy have way too much if they can with a straight face, to cook up crazy crap like PNAC,wars or voodoo economics and sell it to the public..and apparently they have too much money and power for most people who are around them to be able to keep thier integrity working and intact enough to speak the truth about them to others so that they might be accountable if not to law,than to the people they exploited ,robbed,abused or harmed.
The super-wealthy have armies of lawyers, goons and suckup newspeople to silence,smear, sue and bribe whistleblowers and thier critics. They can isolate themselves from the realities they create in this society that we must live under.So thier perceptions are screwed up and shouldn't be taken seriously.

(I really think having too much money is just as bad psychologically as having not enough it just has different effects on a person)


The super-wealthy tend to use thier wealth to secure themselves at our expense.We are so easily duped into selling ourselves out to leaders,representitives,images or symbols.To unattainable hopes and tough guy swaggering, pulling ourselves up by our bootstraps and making it our own two feet bullshit.NOBODY including the superwealthy made it on thier own two feet with civilization suporting them.
The super-wealthy avoid even considering things like a maximum wage limit,these topics terrify them because thier greed is seriously out of control and they are like an addict.

The super-wealthy are the last ones to see the awful effects thier sickness and the policies that enable thier sickness has on others.And in a saner world they should be the first ones to see it,but in our culture it is rigged that they don't have to.And no one can force the issue without getting a label like communist ao anarchist or threat tacked onto what they say,that might actually help the lesser classes see they are being exploited.

The top 1 percent families are so rich they will never will suffer an eviction,never have an empty fridge,never have to work long hours,or go to war to go to college, they'll never want things they can't afford,they'll never have to put thier dreams on holduntil old age and tthan never get to live them, they'll never be sick and have no place to go to get help,They won't have to get stigmatized if they fail, they'll never have to feel responsible for anyone else's well being because they can can smooth over any problem ,just throw money at it and lie your ass off about how much you care until the complaints die down.

The rich really live like modern day kings except they must hide themselves, appear 'normal',hide thier bank accounts,tax records,thier affiliations connections,mistakes,crimes..from us so that we will not rise up against them,personally and take back what was stolen from all of us.The super wealthy really are like hungry ghosts with bottomless bellies.Some appear downright sociopathic.


This classist hierarchical money system has an intetrnal flaw nobody wants to look at.

Everytime it is brought up the middle class gets shrilly defensive,the poor get restless and the wealthy get nasty. And ironically it's the poor who have nothing to lose so they can afford to see what the flaw is,and they are least in the position to do something to make the world more just..And that flaw in our economic system is denied too much,like now,it leads to corporate ogliarchy.
It does not self- create corporate ogliarchy if wealth acumulation by individuals and corporate monopolies are limited,taxed or 'handicapped' somehow by laws that are enforced.If the wealthy and powerful are not controlled ,thier greed and egos held in check,thier schemes exposed and investigated,by the middle/lower classes that have some self-esteem left in them..,our current economic system leads right to ogliarchy and feudalism.


Companies are NOT human beings,and we as a society have made a grave mistake by treating them like they are people.


Why do people with wealth try to get us to agree they have the right to hoard obscene wealth and power? Is it only because we have given them too much of ourselves until we identify with them and we can't see they want more? Why do we as lesser classes tolerate being taken by the rich,and stolen from the CEO with no scruples/Why are there no limits on thier aquiring ,no stops upon the appatites of those who have more money than most of us ever will have, see,or use in our lifetimes 10 times over?
Why do we refuse to share what we have with each other,as if sharing somehow diminishes us? What kind of crap is this? Why do we work hard to hoard wealth ,to ape the rich,and compete amonst each other to the point we fail to make the wealthy prove their worth in our terms,and then whine when we get screwed out of retirement by the company.

Some of the old rich, who are today telling us through thier hired pundits to pull ourselves up by our bootstraps, got a free ride,they got thier start when America did.They started thier companies when land was gotten for free. Having space and a home was free of landlords,and rent they had more security than we do moth by month making ends meet.For them there were no monopoly laws,child labor laws and enviromental laws were around to limit them in thier schemes.They hoarded until the market crashed,and they do it again and again.
The wealthy will continue to take until they are LIMITED by those who have been taken.You know cut off from the trough,given portion limits to trim thier pork.Giving them a longer leash by relaxing laws because we are aping them only harms US.Relaxing corporate laws what THEY desire because it allows for more exploitation and less accountability.

If they can't get thier greedy ass way here,they will run overseas and exploit them there, because they don't want to have to pay fair wages and offer healthcare benifiets,they have too much money to have to have empathy or integrity or a sense of indebtidness to the workers who gave up thier lives so they could be so rich.The rich they are not threatened with accountability from whom they rob anymore.And what person in a far flug third world country will demand more when the new wealth pouring into his poor country is dazzling him at the moment.

Are we still hoping for that ship to come in that much? Why we put our faith in the rich to deliver it to us? What a joke! Do we dream so deeply of what we cannot get by our own hard work and these puritan work ethics that we are willing to sell our soul and the souls of the future to an ogliarchy for this get rich someday fantasy that is stunted for us from the start.
Because we won't face up to looking at how the process is rigged and our system is flawed in it's founding premises,so that the rich won't have to share ,give a little,or compete with someone who does the same thing better than they do ior the workers who make them rich or the society that allows thier games?


When wll we be willing to admit to ourselves why we work 2 jobs is to keep the rich,rich and powerful in power..food on the table is a side effect because we are alive and workers need to eat to work.

When will the middle class notice it's consience and integrity twords it's fellow man has been twisted into a sick thing by that hope for a 'better life'and the persuit of it all. Aping the rich is doing nothing to help society becaome better .That carrot called the 'american dream' is the kind of social fantasy that leads only to slavery in a culture like ours who suckup to power and wait for the rich to give even though they know the rich they never give by thier own volition,unless it gets them a goodguy badge,a tax break, or some other payoff..

Ever realize how much you have to sell out your own integrity,time and selfhood to climb the corporate/government/military ladder? Most poor people never get to climb that far.
There are really 2 worlds living parellell to each other,Poor and wealthy. The middle class is the transition and when the middle class sells out to the values and ethics of the wealthy classes than things go bad for everyone.And if you are not careful you can change your own beliefs,perceptions and priorities inside your own heart when you transition between these worlds..
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