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Right click on the picture, then click on properties, that gives you the picture's location.

Duh, I can't believe I didn't think of that! thanks.

Other evidence:
(1) The grass on the southwest side of the wall appears to be discoloured, perhaps also slightly disturbed - certainly not very disturbed; it's as though the very bottom of the engine clipped the wall;
(2) The steam vault is well knackered - in the photo, do you think it is full of water?
(3) It see that the dirt area on the east of the steam vault is sloping down, and I think this could well be the result of the engine hitting it;
(4) Pieces of wall on the east side appear to be missing (although I don't have a photo definitively proving they were there).

1) I don't see how the grass could be discolored from the engine scrapping it unless you suggest the heat from the friction did (of course you'll probably guess I'll have a hard time believing that one!).

Plus, if the engine/plane came that low, I would expect to find marks in the lawn from the air turbulence created from underneath the plane similar to the tire marks in the lawn from the fire engines.

2)I'm curious what the steam vault looked like before the crash to compare, assuming there was one there. About the water, I see it, but wonder if it's from the vault or firefighter spray?

3) I looks to me like the ground either naturally slopes done or is part of what got dug out from the steam fault construction. (hopefully I'm referring to the same area as you.)

4)I can't tell.

I don't think they'd be stuck in the bars. There should have been bits of aluminium debris there originally, but there are lot's of things in the photos that could be aluminium debris, just look at all the white bits here:

I've just never seen a piece of aluminum debris at the site that didn't look like it was planted or not really plane debris. the small pieces you refer to are to small and far away to make on good judgment either way.

I see six cable spools. In Metcalf 10 you can see two of them that have been knocked over, in the middle of the rubble, in the centre of the picture. Also, on the far right you can see two other cable spools, which were moved after the impact. If you look at this picture:

I'll try to find an aerial pic of before to see if we can determine where they were positioned before that crash even though who knows if the construction workers moved them that morning or the previous day for their normal construction routine. I'm still surprised that tall one is standing so close to where you think the left engine hit and wasn't fallen from the fuselage are air turbulence.

Taking the damage to the generator and the steam vault together, it looks like the Pentagon was attacked by a twin-engined jetliner, and I think a 757 is a fairly safe bet.

I've pointed out major inconsistencies with the generator and even if the left engine just hit the wall and vault, at some point it would have had to hit pavement behind it since the plane entered the 1st floor at a downward angle. 757 = about 3 stories. Consider it's fuselage as it's 2nd story.

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