Reply #145: Oh, I see. [View All]

The fact that naturalistic theories are coming very close to explaining absolutely every matter & energy reaction in the universe doesn't give it any credibility when it comes to the origin of the universe, eh?

Sorry, not gonna play that game. Especially given your demonstrated lack of knowledge of probability and various scientific theories on this thread. All I will say is that the theistic position of "god did it" has, over the past centuries, retreated and retreated, as I pointed out in a previous post.

"The earth is the center of the universe." - Destroyed by astronomy.

"Demons and sin cause sickness." - Destroyed by germ theory & medicine.

"God created all life as we see it now." - Destroyed by evolution.

In other words, your "god of the gaps" is shrinking as the gaps in human knowledge do. In the end, theism becomes deism, left only with the remote possibility that some force ("First Cause") put everything in motion, with crossed fingers that science won't be able to reach beyond the big bang and prove you wrong once again.

The thing is, the universe acts exactly as we would expect it to act if there weren't a god, higher power, first cause, or whatever you want to call it. Granted, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence (see Rummy and WMDs), but I just don't see the theistic position being very tenable.