Reply #19: And women dont do this right back at men? [View All]

Perhaps not to the same extent that men do, but they do it all the same. How many women here can honestly say they have never in their lives have they said: "That Leonardo/Sean Connery/Roger Moore/... makes me cream my jeans."?

As far as objectification goes: Men objectify the image directly before them, whereas women objectify what that image represents, (success and security) Actually men do too, (health, broodworthiness) but the timescale is far shorter since they can achieve success (in the breeding game) by taking the shotgun approach and scattering small 'deposits' far any wide, whilst women are limited by their nature to a small handful of longterm investments that require an enormous amount of nurturing to mature.


Women and men also denigrate others of the same sex and here women are the worst offenders. Men on the outs tend to be on the outs across the board, whilst women will switch allegiances at the drop of a hat depending on who is present (and perhaps more importantly who is not).


The problem lies not in the objectification/denigration of people, but in that men cam out on top through sheer brute strength since that was the only criterion that mattered in the survival game for most of human history.

I've said on many occasions that the true wonder in the cause of gender equality lies in the incredible speed (virtually in lock step with the journey from horse and cart to rockets to the moon) with which it has advanced. Men have called the shots for millenia. Barely 100 years (four generations) ago, men (with admittedly great reluctance) accepted that women had minds. Three generations ago, they achieved a degree of social independence. Two, they became legally separate entities to their male protectors/owners. And one, the distinction between men and women in the workforce was erased, giving women equal wages and equal access to super/pension funds. (The remaining disparity, in average wages, is mostly down to more women working part time than men, and a handful of poorly paid 'traditionally female' jobs.)

Today, we seriously debate the possibility of a woman rising to the highest offices possible. and indeed in many nations including some that are still incredibly misogynistic that goal has already been achieved.

Like it or lump it, in general those who call the shots are those who have been there the longest and have the most old fashioned ideas. And these are the men who have a vested interest in holding women back. However, they are a (literally) dying breed. They are fighting a desperate, futile rearguard action to hold onto the (relatively) little which remains to them.

You've won the ruddy war ladies, so stop your bloody whining about how bad you still have it and just get on with mopping up the last pockets of resistance. O.K.?