My friendly arguement with a Pro-Life Democrat, and the results [View All]

Me: Pro-Choice
Her: Pro-Life

Discussion:

Me: Its deeper than the right to an abortion, its right to privacy as well.
Her: All inflicted death is wrong: abortion, death penalty, assisted suicide and murder. Its all the same.
Me: At least you are against the DP, a lot of Repug pro-lifers are for it.
Her: Well, they are stupid then.
Me: Agreed. But a woman has the right to govern her own body, no one can force a choice on her. That is what its about.
Her: She can choose to murder a baby? How can that be legal?
Me: Its not a baby when abortion is legal. If the pregnancy goes too long, then it actually is already illegal to abort. You can only do it prior to that point of development, when its not yet alive.
Her: Its alive as soon as the egg is impregnated!
Me: Untrue. If the egg never attaches to the wall of the womb, then she woman will have her period and not become pregnant.
Her: Well, ok, then its alive as soon as it attaches.
Me: Again, not true. There is a difference between the signs of life, and life. A heartbeat is not life, its a sign of life. People with heartbeats are pronounced dead every day. The same is true for brainwaves. The test of life that doctors use for people is more than mere vital signs.
Her: But if nature takes its course, that baby is alive, and the abortion interfers with that natural process and kills the baby.
Me: Contraceptives defy the natural process to prevent pregnancy, medical advances are able to keep premature babies and physically deformed babies alive, and thats also "not natural". You cant use nature as a yardstick because we are Man, and we have technology which we use daily to defy nature.
Her: But if she makes that choice, it should be illegal just like murder.
Me: Murder is illegal and it happens every 3 minutes in our country. Making it illegal doesn't stop it, it just punishes the person for doing it. Do you want to punish women, or do you want to prevent abortion, what is your goal? Because you need to think about that before you jump to a conclusion as to a solution.
Her: I want to prevent abortion.
Me: Ok, well, abortion used to be illegal in this country, and when it was, MORE abortions occurred then than they do now that it is legal.
Her: More? How did they know that?
Me: When they say "back alley" they don't really mean in an alley. Records were still kept. And do you know why more abortions occurred when it was ILLEGAL than when its LEGAL?
Her: No, why?
Me: Because when it was illegal, a woman could not consult with anyone - family, spouse, friends, doctors, their priest/pastor, other women that had one - no one. They had to make the decision on their own without advice. Once it was legal, women consulted and talked about it and a lot of them change their minds due to the influences of those they consult with. If you make abortions illegal, all you'll do is increase the abortion rate, AND increase the harm to women who would then be getting the procedure from much more shady sources, with NO LEGAL RECOURSE to sue the doctor for malpractice should he harm her or even kill her in the process !!!
Her: Wow, I hadn't thought about that.
Me: If you want to actually achieve your goal of reducing and/or eliminating abortions, then you need to convince women to have the child, not make it illegal. Things like spousal notification, 24 hr waiting periods, mandatory councelling, etc. are all ideas that would help educate and inform women of their choices, which would reduce the abortion rate while still protecting women.
Her: I'll have to think about that.



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