Reply #50: Good question. Indians, Chinese, Native Americans have a few [View All]

millennia head start on that.

"As always, I'm looking for just a single example that would give your cause a case. I am of the school that agrees that studying these concepts puts them beyond science."

"Your cause"? Not sure there is a "cause" IMM, as such. There are people on DU with different viewpoints.

"I know that you and the OP are claiming the definition of science has been changed. But that wasn't done by scientists."

I am not "claiming the definition of science has been changed." Science has changed. Consciousness, the para/normal, meta/physics, etc. are being studied and have been for a long time. Physics has moved to a level that no longer automatically rejects what used to be called "supernatural." So that sort of "chauvinism" that smacks down anything that isn't "scientific" just seems misguided.

"Otherwise how do you demonstrate this disembodied consciousness? I never get an answer to that question."

If you get a reference will you check it out or are you predisposed to discredit it? B-).................

"While bridge-building may be the goal here, it's going to be difficult if all you can do is twist definitions of words and make unsupported claims to people who may know what they're talking about."

...........cuz that sounds real snotty :evilgrin:

Actually it's that arrogance of "to people who may know what they're talking about" (and think that empowers them to smack down other viewpoints) that inspired these efforts to hear MORE from "people who may know what they're talking about" to support THEIR claims rather than mere belligerence and cliches.