Reply #6: "...but I firmly believe the war would have happened anyway..." [View All]

Wow. madfloridian, I just said this same thing LAST NIGHT when I was discussing with my SO the Dem candidates for Pres '08 and whether I was going to volunteer with the party in the same capacity I did in '04 and '06 -- or whether there was a candidate that I would back as intensely as I did in '04. I took on a big task, especially last year, and it took it's toll on my family. My SO sensed my jaded attitude, too. And this year, in Nevada where I live, we have our early caucuses, so that is going to be a major big deal.

Our discussion lead to how, when you step back and look at the big picture, I AGAIN said the same exact thing you said here: "...the goals are so similar a win did not matter that much..."

We discussed the DLC, the DCCC, globalization, and, since I'm currently reading Jimmy Carter's book, how Israel was supported wholeheartedly by most, if not all, prominent Dems in Congress when they annihilated Lebanon last summer, and how many Dems have the same aggressive attitude toward Iran that is not much different than the opposition (see Steny Hoyer, et al.). We discussed how the Dems may have gone about things in a more user-friendly manner, and, we found ourselves saying the same old thing, "Well, if Hilary (Obama, etc.) wins, I'd still vote for her (him) ... I'm not voting Republican, that's for sure..."

But, the bottom line is, what difference would it really make? I think the powers that be in both parties see the future the same -- that our involvement in the ME is required as part of US interests and the US will move forward in exacting change, uninvited, with or without diplomacy, and by force if necessary, regardless of which of our two parties are in power. It is only a matter of how to go about that change that really gets discussed.