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Tacos al Carbon Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 07:32 PM
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WashingtonPost.com Drops Ted Rall's Cartoons
NEW YORK WashingtonPost.com is no longer running the cartoons of hard-hitting liberal Ted Rall.

Rall said he thinks the site dropped his work because of a Nov. 4 cartoon he did showing a drooling, mentally handicapped student taking over a classroom. "The idea was to draw an analogy to the electorate -- in essence, the idiots are now running the country," he told E&P.

"That cartoon certainly drew a significant amount of negative comment from our users," said WashingtonPost.com Executive Editor Doug Feaver when contacted by E&P. But he added that the decision to drop Rall was a "cumulative" one that had been building for a while.

"Ted Rall does very interesting work," Feaver said. "Some of it is not funny to an awful lot of people. We decided at the end of the day that it just did not fit the tone we wanted at WashingtonPost.com."

The rest is here:

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000723114
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BUSHOUT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 07:35 PM
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1. What's your take on this?
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Tacos al Carbon Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 08:08 PM
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10. I think that it's a sign of the times
Rall has burned a lot of bridges, especially with this cartoon attacking John Kerry:



Now that the election is over, maybe that bird has come home to roost.
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BUSHOUT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 08:50 PM
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12. That is some powerful satire. Swiftliars should rot in hell n/t
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Tacos al Carbon Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 04:04 PM
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60. How is that satire?
You'll have to explain that to me. It seems to attack Kerry as a mentally unbalanced, racist, murdering flip-flopper and doesn't so much as mention the swiftboat people.
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Flammable Materials Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 09:55 PM
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18. No one can accuse him of keeping his cards to his chest.
Agree with him or disagree, love him or hate him, but you have to admit he's nobody's lapdog.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 10:16 PM
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 10:59 PM
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31. What happened on the 2nd was fraud
But that'll be fixed soon and Junior gone. Kind of like you very, very soon. :hi:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 11:04 PM
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 11:10 PM
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34. You're definitely the guy in the cartoon, all right.
Wow, you're famous!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 11:13 PM
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 11:18 PM
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36. Well, jeepers! You guessed my name. Now, take your own advice.
:hi: Don't let the door hit ya.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 12:34 AM
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45. Let's all get together at my place for a BIG bonfire!
You can bring all offensive materials and we can burn them!

Well, just until we can get those awful liberal media papers to stop printing treasonous and offensive cartoons.

Imagine! Oh, that reminds me, bring Jesus hating Beatle albums and CD's too.
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No Mandate Here. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 07:36 PM
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2. Thought so...
Edited on Thu Nov-18-04 07:37 PM by No Mandate Here.
<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2715007&mesg_id=2715007>

I have to admit. There were days when I didn't care for his images or message.

But:

The arts define the edges of society, and we all decide where we fit in.

(edit quick spelling)
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 07:40 PM
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3. WashPost does not want to bite the hand that feeds them--neocons.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 07:41 PM
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4. the TOON in question...
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 10:32 PM
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26. hm....i don't get it
maybe i'm a little denser than usual

but overall, i'm a BIG rall fan
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 10:56 PM
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30. I have often found Rall laugh-out-loud funny. But sometimes he is ...
... inexcusably vicious. I consider the Rall toon you've exhibited nasty and intolerant. I don't blame the Post for dropping him. It's sad to lose his edginess -- but ultimately our side can't win by spitting harder than the opposition: we must win on the basis of our ideas.
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Liberaltarian Donating Member (220 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 12:49 AM
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47. we can't win on the basis of our ideas...
as long as the electorate is mesmerized by the mytholigical, we'll always end up dripping in repuke spit.

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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 01:25 AM
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50. I can understand objections to the wheelchair special needs stereotype
But, the idea of the U.S. government and electorate being idiotic (based on the last election) hardly seems objectionable.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 07:46 PM
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5. i hope he finds work somewhere. some of his stuff is not that bad.
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Richard D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 07:50 PM
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6. Still available
On Yahoo news. The New York times dropped him a while ago too.
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peterh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 07:53 PM
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7. I would love to see the LA Times drop Michael Ramirez…
Maybe the two papers could swap cartoonists….today’s p.o.s. from Ramirez depicted the Clinton Library as a strip club, but I’ve seen worst. Rarely do I ever see a favorable comment directed toward Ramirez in the “letters to the editor” section, yet I’ve seen many on the other end….go figure…

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bossfish Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 10:23 PM
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23. I feel the same way about Ramirez...
...he's odious and not funny.

I thought today's strip club cartoon was sort of funny, actually. A relatively lighthearted swipe at Bill. No one is really hurt by that one.

But the Usama bin Ladin with a Kerry button ones...

The Marines at Arlen Spector's door...

all sorts of crap.

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ydya Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 10:36 PM
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27. I agree. I have no problem with opposing viewpoints. But Ramirez
constantly ignores the facts and put up extremely partisan and inflammatory cartoons. It is Limbaugh and O'Reilly type stupidity.
I think I'm gonna cancel my subscription and let them know that it is solely because they feature Ramirez.
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Nordic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 12:45 AM
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46. Ramirez is a sack of shit
there is absolutely nothing clever about his stuff, it's just hatemongering of the worst GOP kind
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m_welby Donating Member (508 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 08:02 PM
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8. Wondered what happened there
Not really that impressed with the replacements either. Rall was often over the top, but his characterization of bush as crazy third world military dictator were always hilarious to me.
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CityDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 08:05 PM
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9. His work was crap
I will not miss it one bit. Now, if they would just get rid of some of the rightwingers who right the news stories I would really be happy.
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bsm1970 Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 12:56 PM
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58. I agree, it cuts both ways...
...but his kind of "discourse" is only making things worse.
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lthuedk Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 08:09 PM
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11. Total liberal news and artistic commentary dumbing down.
Media sweeping just like the Bushies. Welcome to thoroughbred fascism.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 08:50 PM
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13. Rall is just unpleasant
He reminds me of a left-wing Ann Coulter. I don't really see what either add to public debate.
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Jack The Tab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 11:42 AM
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55. I have to agree with you...
Too often he goes waaaaay over the line.

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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 08:53 PM
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14. I'm sure the Post fired all of the Clinton cigar cartoonists too?
Oh, they didn't?

It's ok to make sex jokes about Clinton, but not ok to make fun of Bush? That liberal media!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 10:14 PM
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Heddi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 10:31 PM
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25. must...withold...making...obvious...statement....
fugg it...

I suppose you don't see the irony in your post, no?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 10:44 PM
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 12:13 AM
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44. Excuse me if I don't give your opinion as much weight when your icon is...
..a tombstone. :)
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 09:27 PM
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15. i love ted rall. he's hilarious, right on target. too bad the truth hurts
and yeah, it gets a might ugly too.
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Columbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 09:47 PM
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16. Their loss
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 09:48 PM
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17. I would have fired him two years ago.
Rall is a hateful wart of a human being.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 10:10 PM
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20. Agreed.
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BBG Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 11:40 PM
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37. Ad hominem anyone?
A lot of people get Rall and what he portrays in his cartoons. You obviously don't. You mistake Rall's sharp and painful reflection of current events to be only his view judging by your ad hominem attack.

His cartoons are nothing less than a brutally honest reflection of the absurdity that is the Generalissimo El Busho and his evil junta.

Ted Rall rocks.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 11:48 PM
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39. Oh spare me the whiny, ignorant condescension.
The guy makes fun of widows and dead firemen. Fuck him.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 10:08 PM
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 10:28 PM
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24. Proves that you should never mess with
the parents of a developmentally disabled child. It's like getting between a mama bear and her cub.
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astroboy Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 10:38 PM
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28. burn'em!
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 11:03 PM
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32. Washington Post: "(Rall) just did not fit the tone we wanted"
Another major newspaper site, NYTimes.com, dropped Rall this past winter (E&P, March 4) because it felt "some of his humor was not in keeping with the tone we try to set" -- words not that different than WashingtonPost.com used today. But Rall said at the time that NYTimes.com was tired of dealing with e-mail campaigns from conservatives who didn't like his work.

What tone is that? It is obvious that the only tone the Washington Post and the NY Times want to set is tone deaf. The same MSM media that were such willing cheerleaders of the Bush Administration as it marched towards war against Iraq is now more concerned about kow-towing to conservatives and keeping the American people properly sedated.

What's the point of freedom of the press when the only freedom is that of the owners to tailor the information the public gets to their ideological bent.
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Bush was AWOL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 11:45 PM
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38. Good! Rall is an embarassment
to this liberal.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 11:48 PM
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40. My take on this:
It's like what happened to the Weavers during McCarthyism. Slowly but surely, they stopped getting gigs.

I'm unfamiliar with Rall's work, but a paper that tolerated eight years of vicious cartoons about Clinton should be a little more tolerant of the leftist equivalent.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 11:52 PM
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41. Rall mocked widows of those who died on 9/11. He implied that Marianne
Pearl cared more about shopping than her dead husband.

He's pure slime.
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Logansquare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 11:32 AM
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54. I have friends in the NY toon community who know him
He's nuts. He sues at the drop of a hat, and has a paranoid obsession that Art Spiegleman is out to get him.
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Mick Knox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 12:03 AM
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42. Good Riddence
He was disgusting.
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Sandpiper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 12:09 AM
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43. Good! We need more cartoonists who are bland and afraid to offend
I don't like those offensive political cartoonists.

/sarcasm off
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 11:25 AM
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52. Actually, we need more that are funny, wickedly clever, and can draw
Sorry, but Rall doesn't do it for me often enough to make him worth my time.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 12:53 AM
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48. Let's Allow Freedom Of Speech On All Sides
We listen to the hatefuly bigoted rants of Coulter and her ilk without a question of censorship. Why not listen to all views.
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pop goes the weasel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 01:15 AM
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49. mixed feelings
Generally, I support artists' rights to portray what they wish and to sell that work. I dislike censorship. However, Rall really did go over the boundaries of civil behavior with his cartoon that attacked developmentally delayed people under the guise of attacking W. Even he realized that after hearing from enraged parents and enraged disabled people. I think it would have been better for Rall to have been put on hiatus than to be dropped permanently, though. People should be given the opportunity to learn from their mistakes when they show a willingness to do so.
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truehawk Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 11:10 AM
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51. Kick
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 11:26 AM
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53. The "tone" is set by the WH. and they wonder why their circulation is down
They are cowards..and want to emulate the Moonie Times.. (The really funny part.. The Moonie Times has NEVER made money and most of its "circulation numbers" are bogus..they give most of their papers away...it's a propaganda organ for the WH..and the Post wants to be just like them :puke:...)
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lynx rufus Donating Member (219 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 12:40 PM
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56. Ted Rall is essential reading, his cartoons and his books.
The guy is good.
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Vote4Kerry Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 12:52 PM
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57. Can we get em to drop Anne Applebaum too?
While they are getting rid of people at the post, I make the suggestion of getting rid of Anne Applebaum! Her columns have no logic and all they do is criticize Kerry supporters. Time for her to go! Also, can you guys please post this petition in its own thread--it is a petition on Nader's website calling for the impeachment of Bush! Thanks!

http://www.votenader.org/get_involved/impeach_view.php

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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 01:13 PM
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59. Ann Appelbaum
www.dailyhowler.com
had a great column about her on WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 17, 2004

APPLEBAUM’S PIETY:There’s almost no way to be this daft—unless you’re a Washington journalist. We refer to Anne Applebaum’s column (in the Washington Post) in this morning’s Post, in which the siren of ruling-class piety mocks an intelligent Times editorial about our absurd voting systems. Try to believe that a sentient being dreamed up this kooky comparison:
APPLEBAUM (11/17/04): Two weeks after the election, the Internet rumor mill continues to spout stories of computer-stolen votes. No sooner are they disproved than others appear. Some are demanding an Ohio recount. Otherwise sober people are asking whether there can be smoke without fire. Last weekend the New York Times published an editorial that found !no evidence! of vote fraud but called electronic voting !a problem! all the same. After all, the editorial noted, there is !no way to be sure! that votes weren't changed !by secret software! inside the machines. If you're tempted to believe that analysis is rational, just ask yourself this question: Are you really sure that your bank isn't using secret software to steal $9.72 from your retirement account every week? And if the answer is no, why aren't you up in arms about that, too?
Typing from the far side of Neptune, Applebaum compares our current voting systems with the way your bank is handling your money. Have you checked to see if your bank is stealing your money? the deeply daft columnist types.
Could any comparison be less apt? No, you probably haven’t checked this week to see if your bank is stealing your money. But duh! The reason you haven’t checked is obvious—banks provide extensive paper trails, and a major bank would quickly be caught if it swiped that nine bucks every week. (As anyone except a “journalist” would know, many Americans do check their bank statements quite religiously.) And duh! Let’s note another fact which would be obvious to anyone outside Applebaum’s tribe. Here it is: If banks were allowed to run audit-free systems, many banks would of course steal your money! Only a fool would fail to know it. But Applebaum—like powdered elites through the annals of time—is paid good money to pretend not to know this. Instead, she rolls her eyes at the kooky crowd which is troubled by current voting arrangements. And just like that, she starts playing shrink. Try to believe that a sentient being typed up this daft diagnosis:

APPLEBAUM (continuing directly): Given our reliance on computerized accounting, the explanation for the American paranoia about computer voting cannot be rational.
As a recent observer correctly noted, there’s almost no way to be this daft—unless you’re a Washington journalist.
But Applebaum is more than a Washington journalist; she’s also part of a ruling elite, and her cohort has been busy this week mocking those who question the systems by which we conduct our elections. Indeed, the editorial which Applebaum scorns (see below)anticipated her mocking imagery, even as it made a point which would be obvious to anyone who understands the American system:

NEW YORK TIMES EDITORIAL (11/14/04): Defenders of the system have been quick to dismiss questions like these as the work of ''conspiracy theorists,'' but that misses the point. Until our election system is improved—with better mechanics and greater transparency—we cannot expect voters to have full confidence in the announced results.
Duh! The American system is based on “transparency”—on those famous “checks and balances.” We don’t assume that the powerful play by the rules. Unless you’re part of Applebaum’s crowd, of course. In this case, your system is based on mocking those who promote the most basic understandings.
Applebaum’s column helps us remember who we are and where we live. No, we don’t live in the land of our civics texts, where eighth-grade children are falsely told that an eagle-eyed “press corps” looks out for their interests. And no, we aren’t part of a race—the human race—which has been falsely proclaimed, since the Dawn of the West, to be “the rational animal.” In point of fact, we live on a planet where ruling elites have always gamed the system their way; and we live on a planet in which those elites always go out and buy tribunes like Applebaum. So go ahead and stretch your horizons! Read the paragraph quoted above—and search for metaphors which help us see who we are and where we live. Alas! Elites have always typed daft agitprop to fool the peons they hope to suppress, and in the long run, the likes of Applebaum have always been overcome by force, by the will of the people.

There’s almost no way to be that daft—unless you’re part of a store-bought elite. The Applebaums will not be converted. They’ll type on until overcome.

POLISH YOUR PARANOIA: To better understand the machinations of Applebaum’s class, we recommend Perfectly Legal, by David Cay Johnston, a book we expect to discuss in the future. Weirdly, the Post forgot to review the book when it appeared at the start of the year. To hatch a conspiracy theory as to why this might be, we recommend the transcript of Johnston’s Booknotes appearance in April. To further hone your paranoia, you know what to do—just click here.(http://www.booknotes.org/Transcript/?ProgramID=1776 )(Perfectly Legal:The Covert Campaign to Rig our Tax System to Benefit the Super Rich- and Cheat Everyone Else)

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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 04:26 PM
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61. Heil Bush!
Disloyalty will not be tolerated.
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Danmel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 04:29 PM
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62. What about that moronic Mallard Fillmore?
I bet they don't drop that idiotic strip, which isn't even funny.
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