Deal Reached to Enact 9/11 Intel Overhaul

WASHINGTON - Key congressional negotiators reported agreement Saturday on legislation that would put in place terrorism-fighting recommendations from the Sept. 11 commission. The deal means that a broad reorganization of U.S. intelligence agencies is closer to passage.



The plan creates a national intelligence director who would control nonmilitary spy agencies. A new national counterterrorism center would coordinate the fight against foreign terrorists, as the commission urged.


The agreement is subject to approval by both the House and Senate before legislation can go to the White House.


Sen. Susan Collins (news, bio, voting record), R-Maine, one of the lawmakers involved in the talks, said President Bush (news - web sites) had been in touch with negotiators by telephone from Chile, where he was attending a meeting of leaders from Asian and Pacific nations.

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We're doomed.

time is running out Do you want some one like an Ashcroft over the intelligence community?

You can find the phone numbers by clicking on or using this link:

http://www.NumbersUSA.com/myMembers (you'll need to be a member)
or look them up at these two sites.
http://www.house.gov/writerep/
http://www.senate.gov/general/conta...enators_cfm.cfm

Please call your Representative first and then your Senators. Our best chance is to hurt this bill in the House.

Here is an action item.

Calls Needed Immediately to House Speaker Hastert
almost all of the immigration reform provisions were removed from H.R. 10/ S.2845. As you know, House Conferee Jim Sensenbrenner (R-WI) has been a vocal advocate for including the House identification security provisions in the final bill and has held out against stubborn opposition from Senate conferees. We now know that House Speaker Hastert has given the ok to removing those provisions. A vote on the conference report, without those important immigration reforms, will take place later today. Rep. Sensenbrenner is expected to oppose the watered-down bill - but he needs your help.



Immediate Action Needed:
Please Call House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-IL) (202-225-0600)

Identify your call as pertaining to the conference currently underway to iron out legislative differences between the House and Senate bills to implement the 9/11 Commission recommendations, H.R.10 and S. 2845.

Leave a message saying you are extremely disappointed that the House has caved in to pressure from the Senate and open-borders groups. This is a sellout of the hard work done by 9/11 families to make America more secure. All of the immigration reform provisions came from the 9/11 report.

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

officials no longer having to report their investments. We will no longer have access to information about which policies are benefitting who- not that it's done us a whole lot of good anyway.

party line do you know where I can read a copy of it so far I'm only getting bits and pieces of it.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:SN02845:@@@L&summ2=m&

it's HR 10 and S 2845 (thonas seems to stop end of Oct.)

My understanding is they are ripping out the immigration recommendations.

which is absolutely amazing because the 9/11 terrorists go into the US
on lax immigration standards and everyday we hear of terrorists
planning/getting across the Mexican border.

http://www.fairus.org/Media/Media.cfm?ID=2561&c=35

goes into a lot of details, but they are for immigration reform, but this appears to be factual versus "opinion".

Thanks Robert, I've been getting conflicting info on this.

Here is the gist of the info I recieved.
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The 9/11 Families for Secure America issued a press release urging Congress to defeat this bill that was supposed to address the nation's deficiencies that allowed the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

"America will still be as vulnerable as it was on Sep. 11, 2001," the organization said about the negotiated compromise bill. "We ask that Members of Congress stand with our organization that represents over 300 victims' families.

"We will not forget, nor will we let America forget, those Members of Congress who choose to protect illegal aliens over American citizens. The next terrorist attack will be because of their lack of leadership as a Member of Congress."

Those 300 families are not amused at the political games that were played in Washington this week. They feel their murdered loved ones have been disregarded as mere props for political posturing. Another sad day.

But your work has not been in vain this week. We can either help kill this bill or create enough opposition to be an embarrassment to those who perpetrated it.

Analysis of H.R. 10, S. 2845 and White House Letter: Provisions Impacting Civil Liberties, Human Rights and Immigrants

http://www.indybay.org/news/2004/10/1701008.php

Well, there are numerous groups who believe the US should
allow anybody to come here.

So, that's a value judgement. Me, every other country has some sort
of immigration control and they definately have shorn up their
ID cards and other things so at least they know who is in the country.

Right now, anybody can buy a new ID, new social security number
for about $60-$200 dollars in E. LA.

There is also a "free trade" agenda to have complete migration of cheap labor going on....for example, right now you have US universities educating foreingers and now giving away US jobs to those
graduates. Now, it used to be the US took the cream of the world
intellectually...but this is different...they are replacing Americans
with experience, higher up the pay scale with cheaper labor on a corporated controlled VISA. The people getting an H-1B visa are not the new "Teslas" of the world, it's about cheap labor, pure and simple. They preverted the original idea of getting the geniuses of the world to come here. It also bothers me because universities,
even graduate school is unaffordable for Americans, the scholarships
for Americans still at poverty stds or below, yet many foreign students are subsidized by their home country...
so basically foreigners have a huge advantage over Americans within American's own education system. It also enables massive age discrimination by firing anyone over 40 and replacing them with a new college graduate.

I think this is about cheap labor for big business, this refusal to
put in the immigration reforms.

Part of this complaint has more to do with the lifting of the Geneva
conventions as well as the patriot act and I agree on that one.

Guantanamo Bay has many many reports of torture and other human rights abuses and legal abuses.

I don't think that's the same thing as securing the borders,
making sure no one can get a fake ID, no one is here on an expired
VISA or a forged VISA, purchased ID and then to stop giving US citizen
benefits to non-citizens.

The reason this is being fought so hard is big business wants all of those illegal immigrants who depress wages.

But, it's ridiculous when there are reports of terrorists crossing the
Mexico border with nuclear materials and they do NOTHING because
they don't want to hurt the great cheap illegal immigrant labor trade...which is what's going on here.

I say pass HR 10, repeal the patriot act and get their shit together on civil liberties. I think if we repealed the patriot act and some of this other BS that invades civil liberties, we could have strong
border control, know who is in the country yet protect civil liberties and rights.

But, the value judgement here is do you want America for American citizens or do you think it should be a free for all, anyone who
gets here automatically gets all of the rights as an American citizen?

I saw no, due to practical issues, such as the strain of our services being paid for by the American tax base, environmental reasons, I say America for Americans first and also a desire to see those
repressive corrupt regimes, such as Mexico, reform and provide for their own countrymen...which of course they do not and way there are so many desperate to cross the border as a result.

They are talking about guilt through association of terrorist groups...

the problem with this is after the patriot act...these US gov. creeps go infultrate environmental groups and the like, ignoring the terrorist organizations within the US.

So, fixing this so they cannot repress people's right to free speech
and organization, etc. is critical to me.

They are talking about problems with people being deported who are political refugees and that might be real.

but, I don't see why a political refugee cannot just apply for asylum
versus go buy a black market social security number, driver's license
and parade around the US undetected, which is what HR 10 is trying to stop.

http://www.fairus.org/Legislation/Legislation.cfm?ID=2556&c=58

They want the stronger immigration stds.

Seems we're both right Robert.

Family members of September 11 victims have been among the most prominent advocates for the overhaul of the nation's intelligence community, but they now find themselves working against each other as the House and Senate hammer out final details of a reform bill.
"There is a rift," said Peter Gadiel, president of 9/11 Families for a Secure America.
His group favors the House bill, which includes immigration provisions that have stalled negotiations with the Senate. Key Senate conferees have rejected the immigration and other wide-ranging border-security revisions and say the proposals might prevent the intelligence-overhaul bill from being passed this year.

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20041117-113103-6172r.htm

" Mr. Gadiel said Mrs. Maloney, Mr. Shays and Sen. John McCain, Arizona Republican, in particular, have convinced members of the steering committee that "the bill would be killed if any border-security measures are allowed in it."

This is the big "split"...basically not really. 9/11 families want
the 9/11 commission report implemented yesterday.

There you have it....for some reason these guys want a completely
open border and I think it's for business reasons.

AZ passed, against all politicans objections, including McCain, who lobbied heavily against it, Prop 200 which tries
to close the border.

From everything I can tell, it's about the "trading of people"
to increase the labor market for massively cheap labor, reduction
of any sort of benefits and taxes.

they don't give a rats ass about national security.

I feel for these 9/11 families. they have gotten screwed 2x..maybe 3x..

it's simple, the recommendations are in black and white, striaght from the 9/11 commission, implemement the damn thing! Don't add additional
lingo to strip out further civil liberties or anything...

This is just so unAmerican...here you have a commission report,
hundreds of families want something done now and media reports
of terrorists right now crossing the open borders.

They fuck around instead.

I'm not as well informed as I should be. I recieved an alert last night and probably over reacted and on top of that I now think the alert wasn't being completely honest.
http://www.numbersusa.com/index

The American Jobs Creation Act, HR 4520 started out with some
amendments to ban outsourcing, curb outsourcing as well as
enact new corporate tax codes to deal with the WTO ruling...

When I sent out an action alert to protest this bill, most people,
who supposedly are activists in keeping American jobs/middle class,
blasted me.

They did not realize that the bill had been completely changed
in the House ways and means to INCREASE tax incentives to ship jobs
offshore, plus was this major pork bill for special favors...

it was supposed to accomodate $4B tax adjustment, ended up costing

$140B (yes this is a 36x increase in lost tax revenues with the deficit
out of control) in tax breaks for special interrests.

This is the same with HR 10 and the rest.

It should be they take the 9/11 commission results and implement it...
but instead they constantly play these evil games that do not represent the people...

like right now attaching anti-choice amendments into the omnibus bill
at the last minute.

PS. HR 4520 is one of my favorite examples of the use of propaganda
to hide what they are really doing..
this should be called Fuck the American people Act, the opposite.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - An agreement reached on Saturday by congressional negotiators on post-Sept. 11 intelligence reforms was thrown into doubt by resistance by some Republicans in the House of Representatives.



Proponents hoped to win passage of a bill creating a new national intelligence director post in the final hours of the 108th Congress. Failure to do so would require lawmakers to start over again when the 109th Congress convenes in January.


"It's up in the air," several House Republicans leaving a closed-door meeting to discuss the measure told reporters.


Senate Governmental Affairs Committee (news - web sites) Chairman Susan Collins, a Maine Republican, and Sen. Joseph Lieberman (news, bio, voting record) of Connecticut, the top Democrat on the panel, said a majority of Senate negotiators had signed off on the deal. The compromise with the House would give the intelligence director significant budget authority but it would be less sweeping than the authority originally sought by the Senate and Sept. 11 Commission, which investigated the attacks.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=615&ncid=1278&e=1&u=/nm/20041120/pl_nm/security_congress_dc

holding news conf now 3;20 pm CT

But it may already be too late.

http://webpages.charter.net/shootzoo/ASAP.htm">Alert

WASHINGTON - In a defeat for President Bush (news - web sites), rebellious House Republicans on Saturday derailed legislation to overhaul the nation's intelligence agencies along lines recommended by the Sept. 11 commission.



"It's hard to reform. It's hard to make changes," said Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., who sought unsuccessfully to persuade critics among the GOP rank and file to swing behind the measure.


Hastert's decision to send lawmakers home without a vote drew attacks from Democrats, and capped an unpredictable day in which prospects for enactment of the measure seemed to grow, then diminish, almost by the hour. He left open the possibility of summoning lawmakers back in session early next month.


As approved by key negotiators, the White House and the bipartisan the 9-11 commission, the compromise would create a powerful position to oversee the CIA (news - web sites) and several other nonmilitary spy agencies. A new national counterterrorism center would coordinate the fight against foreign terrorists.


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