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UL_Approved Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:12 PM
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Defeat for Bush, rebellious House GOPs derailed 9/11 legislation
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By JESSE J. HOLLAND, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - In a defeat for President Bush (news - web sites), rebellious House Republicans on Saturday derailed legislation to overhaul the nation's intelligence agencies along lines recommended by the Sept. 11 commission.

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But Reps. Duncan Hunter and Jim Sensenbrenner, chairmen of the Armed Services and Judiciary committees, raised objections. Hunter, R-Calif., worried that provisions of the bill could interfere with the military chain of command and endanger troops in the field.

"In my judgment, this bill, without strongly reaffirming the chain of command, would render that area confused to the detriment of our Americans in combat so I will not support it," Hunter said.

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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20041121/ap_on_go_co/congress_intelligence
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:16 PM
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1. It isn't a defeat for Bu$h
both he and the repugs do not really want to follow the recommendations. They are going to work on it until they get something like the homeland security passed the way they see it and not the way it was supposed to be.
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C.C.D. Donating Member (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:19 PM
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2. ...what I was thinking too. He has no interest in 9/11 commission (nt)
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UL_Approved Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:22 PM
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3. That is my suspicion as well.
Ignoring the rulings of the 9/11 commission has been on (under) the table since day one for Bush and his boys. Yet another example of RW media spin.

BTW, Welcome to DU!

:hi:

I'm also from Montana.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:42 PM
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5. I think you're wrong
from the article posted in the other thread--

"A compromise approved by key negotiators, the White House and the bipartisan 9/11 commission would have created a powerful position to oversee the CIA and several other nonmilitary spy agencies. A new national counterterrorism center would coordinate the fight against foreign terrorists. "

This sounds like the way they operate. The Homeland Security Dept. sucked just about every other dept into it and is most likely unwieldy and inefficient, but the person at the top is under Bush's thumb (well, Cheney's).

If the FBI and CIA had been allowed to function properly in the lead up to 9/ll and NORAD on 9/ll, we would not have had the catastrophe. Bush's people put the kibosh on investigations on Bin Laden and other terrorists (at this point I'm with the people that think Bin Laden is working for Bush). The FBI and CIA and the other agencies would have been able to protect us.

And, last but not least, many feel that the commission was an under the rug sweeping deal. My take is that any recommendations coming from them should be dismissed. Also in the article, it mentioned that Bush and Cheney were on the phone all day trying to get the bill through.

Whatever.
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BlueStatesForever Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 08:11 AM
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10. What you're referring to is called "theater".
This is about making us THINK they aren't working together. We don't know what they're really doing.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 01:24 PM
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11. "We don't know what they're really doing."
I certainly agree with that. If we just think the worst, that's about the closest we can get to a take on their activities. But then, as we all know, it's usually worse.
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springhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 12:45 AM
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9. Your exactly right!
When I read that headline, the first thing that popped into my head was that if he wanted it passed, it would have passed. They just have to make it look like he wants it, kind of like the 911 commission.
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signmike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:26 PM
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4. "Confuse the military chain of command"
Bwahahahahaha.

spoken by someone who never served!

(Too late. 200 years too late.)
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:49 PM
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6. Was this the one that was 14" of pages thick
and the three day read period was removed?

Who knows that the fuck they were trying to pass...
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:56 PM
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7. I imagine it's a scam. Duncan Hunter never does anything honorable.
I wonder if we will ever have a real 9-11 investigation?
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n2mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 11:12 PM
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8. Since it passed
I'm sure it is in favor of the shrub.
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