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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 02:56 AM
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Air Force Coach to Remove Christian Banner ("Team Jesus Christ")
Edited on Sun Nov-21-04 03:02 AM by khephra
AIR FORCE ACADEMY, Colo. -- The Air Force Academy's longtime football coach has agreed to remove a Christian banner from the team's locker room after school administrators announced they would do more to fight religious intolerance.

Coach Fisher DeBerry agreed Friday to remove the banner, which displayed the "Competitor's Creed," including the lines "I am a Christian first and last ... I am a member of Team Jesus Christ."

DeBerry put the banner up Wednesday to encourage the team, which has experienced one of its worst seasons in recent years, academy spokesman Lt. Col. Laurent Fox said.

A day earlier, academy Superintendent Lt. Gen. John W. Rosa announced the school would do more religious tolerance training after some nonreligious cadets reported on a survey that they felt ostracized. Others reported hearing religious slurs or jokes.


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http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-ap-academy-religion,0,4993937.story?coll=sns-ap-nation-headlines

Is it just me or did I happen to miss out on the part in the Bible that Jesus gives the Competitor's Creed and offers his worshipers the ability to kick ass on the playing field if only they believe in him?

I HATE it when sports mixes religion into the festivities.

"You guys would have won, if you'd only prayed beforehand."

"But we DID!"

"Well, then you didn't pray hard enough."

"We prayed on our knees for 6 hours every day for the past week!"

"Well, then I guess Jesus just doesn't like you. Either that or you have a dirty liberal atheist on your team."

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Philostopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 03:04 AM
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1. I don't like it either, Kheph ...
but I'm surprised anybody complained, or that they took it down -- I thought they'd turned the standing military into Christ's personal crusaders.

The Jew who complained will find his jockstrap full of Cramergesic for the foreseeable future, I'm willing to bet.
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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 03:23 AM
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2. It's also a bit shocking that the whole thing seems to be happening
w/o any big riot happening by the 700 Club or speeches by Roy Moore. Pat and Roy just probably haven't heard the story yet.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 03:27 AM
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3. Thank God! n/t
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 03:51 AM
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4. More to the point...
Is it just me or did I happen to miss out on the part in the Bible that Jesus gives the Competitor's Creed and offers his worshipers the ability to kick ass on the playing field if only they believe in him?

...I think I also missed out on the part in the Bible where Jesus told people to join the Air Force so that they could drop fragmentation bombs or napalm on civilians.

And, although I've consulted many translations, I've yet to find one where the "Sermon on the Mount" passage (Matthew 5:39) was rendered as "But if anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn the other also...then call in an airstrike."

Furthermore, I'm not sure Christ would have approved of the cross hanging in the Air Force Academy chapel, which is rendered in the form of a stylized fighter jet.

:puke:

(On second thought, maybe He would have found it sadly appropriate... :cry: )


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The Zanti Regent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 12:53 PM
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27. Brings back bad memories of High School and college ball!
I remember being ostracised by the "Christ-Centered" coach.

Reason--I was an Orthodox Jew. My family got mad that games were played on Friday nights, but I was brainwashed by all the NFL propaganda I watched as a kid.

I also loved how other members of the team shunned me, UNTIL they were down and needed someone to make that critical run. Which I did. After I pulled their asses out of the fire, did I get anything, oh no, these Christians went back into the Nazi mode. The same thing happened when I went to college and was forced off the team. Jesus loves his Christian atheletes, you know!
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WildClarySage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 04:21 AM
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5. You never hear the losing team
say, "We would have won, if it hadn't been for Jesus."

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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 08:17 AM
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12. Oh my gawd
that made me laugh out loud!
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Bark Bark Bark Donating Member (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 09:32 AM
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17. Side Note (For Bushisanidiot)
Love your collage of Bush photos. If you could add the cheap-shot rugby-punch pic and a shot of him in his "G.I.Joe With Super Bulked-up Action Crotch!" flight-suit costume from the infamous "Mission Accomplished" comedy skit, it would be SO perfect the Secret Service would have to come 'interview' you.
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Sabriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 09:49 AM
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19. There was a comic who used to do that bit
"Why did you lose?"
"God hates our team! He didn't want us to recover that fumble."
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 10:11 AM
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20. that's funny!
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 05:05 AM
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6. US Air Force 30, Women and Children of Darfur 0. n/t
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 05:39 AM
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7. "Some NON-religous cadets ... felt ostracized"?!?
Lessee if I understand this:
Air Force Academy = state
Team Jesus Christ = church
Wall of separation = null and void
Thus, American = Christian
non-Christian = non-religious
non-Christian = un-American -- ??

That's where this logic very quickly takes you.

Are there no Jews at the Air Force Academy? Unitarians? Hindus, Sikhs, or Buddhists? Do those in charge at the Academy consider these cadets NON-religious? Are they out of line if they complain about exclusion in this branch of "the state"? Does this affect their future in the military?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Hekate
:argh:

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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 06:40 PM
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31. I wouldn't be surprised if they found a way to keep them out
You get into a federal military academy--the AF Academy, West Point or Annapolis--via political appointment. If Congressman so-and-so from your state decides none of his fifteen appointees are going to be Jews or commie liberal atheists, and the rest of the congressmen and senators have already used up their appointments...you aren't going to the academy. Figure the odds on our fundie president sending a Hindu or a Muslim to Colorado Springs.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 05:44 AM
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8. They should have used the term "The Fighting Jews"
Is more realistic, has a ring of history to it.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 06:10 AM
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9. Let's try this one on:
Thee Wiccan Reade for Victorye

--bkl

Kickest thou ass, Aire Force!
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 06:10 AM
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10. .
Edited on Sun Nov-21-04 06:10 AM by BareKnuckledLiberal
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 06:35 AM
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11. Fisher DeBerry and his bible belt antics fit right in the city of
Colorado Springs Colorado, I know I was born and raised there.

Just a few years a Church in Colorado springs was using school busses to round up young children on the pretense of free pizza and soda. The kids were taken to a church and baptized. It ended when a little Jewish boy was baptized, the parents sued.

Most everyone listens to Rush Limbaugh in the Springs.

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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 08:23 AM
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13. I'm thinking the repuke/christian/rushbot/freeper love affair with jews is
going to come to an end pretty soon. afterall, the election is over..
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 10:52 AM
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22. When folks start doing their own thinking instead of letting
Rush Limbaugh and FAUX News do their thinking, perhaps changes will be in the air, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 09:13 AM
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14. This evangelical crap has been pushed in the military
Edited on Sun Nov-21-04 09:17 AM by teryang
...for almost two decades now. It's an outrage. It's similar to the "young turks" type phenomenon observed in fascist militaries. It's really not supposed to be official - it's a clique of unofficial ring knockers (who attend chapel and prayer groups) and use to promote each others careers. It appears to be innocent on the surface, but those who don't go along are discriminated against.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 09:24 AM
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15. Boykin's Holy Warriors...
My GF tells me that when her ex was in the AF 30 years ago, there were an unusual number of "Jeebus Freaks" amongst ranks higher that First Looie...

They had Stepford Wives, too.
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GaYellowDawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 09:30 AM
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16. This is what I think of re: religion/sports
This is from the perspective of a liberal Christian:

A man and his priest are at a boxing match. One of the boxers kneels in the corner and genuflects. The man says, "Father, is that really going to help him?" The priest replies, "Not if he's not a good boxer."

I don't mind praying for injury-free games - in fact, I rather approve of it - but thanking God for victories or praying for them really seems trivial and/or a waste of time to me.
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 09:37 AM
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18. Yesterday during the Auburn/Alabama football game
an Alabama player was injured and the announcer said, "And as they often do, the Auburn players kneel in prayer for the injured player..." My husband turned to me and said, "He doesn't know what they're praying for. They could be saying, 'Oh God, we pray you smite our enemy in his anterior cruciate ligament. Remove him from this battle and give us greater victory. Amen.'" ;)
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 10:44 AM
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21. Jesus gives the Competitor's Creed
Is it just me or did I happen to miss out on the part in the Bible that Jesus gives the Competitor's Creed and offers his worshipers the ability to kick ass on the playing field if only they believe in him?

Didn't you know?? Jesus preached to the multitude and he gave the hidden message of his words to his disciples. Naturally, only those blessed are aware of this "Competitor's Creed". Shame on you for not knowing about it. That's why every team that prays has won every one of their competitions.
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Sabriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 11:40 AM
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23. No wonder my team never did well in sports!
We should never have called ourselves the "Awesome Atheists." Crap!
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 12:49 PM
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26. Sounds like they still won some
Shouldn't they have lost every competition?
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 11:47 AM
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24. I've got to stop looking at the news.
I can't take it any more.
I live amongst these creatures. I want to hide. It's more than I can believe in even my wildest dreams. Total lunacy.
I wish there were a place for simple normal people. I mean those who don't need sports, driving, breeding, shopping, and the infuriation that comes with it all. Just riding a bike, listening to birds, walking in the forest. Well, that's the life I have. Anyone care to start a new country? North of San Francisco, to the Canada border. Sanorgawashifornia.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 11:47 AM
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25. Onward christian soldiers, off to kill the scummy non believers in Denver
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 01:46 PM
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28. Consider the stadium is about 1 mile from Focus on the Family HQs...
What do you expect?
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Desperadoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 02:41 PM
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29. Air Force Academy
gives a whole, new meaning to the term......."Wingnuts"
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 06:28 PM
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30. And they say this isn't a crusade.
:eyes:
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