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Englander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 11:36 AM
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Bloody Sunday answers still unclear
Press Association
Monday November 22, 2004 3:38 PM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uklatest/story/0,1271,-4630697,00.html

After more than 400 days of evidence and more than 900 witnesses, it is still unclear which soldiers shot 27 civilians on Bloody Sunday, the Saville Inquiry has been told.

Counsel to the inquiry Christopher Clarke QC, in his closing statement, said the central question before the tribunal was why and how were 13 civilians killed and 14 wounded at a civil rights march in the city on January 30, 1972.

This summation is aimed at giving the three judges an overview of the issues they have to decide on, a summary of significant evidence and an indication of the range of conclusions the tribunal might reach.

The final report by Lord Saville and his fellow judges is expected to be published by the summer of next year - more than seven years after Tony Blair announced the inquiry.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_%281972%29


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Wat_Tyler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 11:36 AM
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1. Bloody hell, is that still going on?
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jman0 Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 11:41 AM
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2. why shouldn't it be?
Do you think people should stop looking for justice and just lie down?
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 11:47 AM
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4. Possibly just a reference to how long the enquiry has taken
"The final report by Lord Saville and his fellow judges is expected to be published by the summer of next year - more than seven years after Tony Blair announced the inquiry."

It's been sitting for over 4 years now. The estimated cost of employing all the courts, lawyers etc. is £155 million.
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malachi Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 04:13 PM
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9. He must be a Democratic member of the House or Senate.
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 11:43 AM
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3. As a youngster when all this was going on...
Edited on Mon Nov-22-04 11:43 AM by fudge stripe cookays
I just finished a book called "Those Are Real Bullets" a couple months ago.

And I felt awful that I had been ignorant of this sad, sad day. It was a very moving book. I cried while reading it. Possibly too because I see this happening here very soon.

FSC

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obreaslan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 12:03 PM
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5. Absolutlely...
Edited on Mon Nov-22-04 12:04 PM by obreaslan
Don't think this couldn't happen here. Oh wait, it did, in Boston during the celebration when the Red Sox beat the Yankees.

There was that Kent State thing too, but who remembers that.

Remember, when it comes, keep your heads down.....
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bin.dare Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 02:52 PM
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6. This was British troops killing Northern Ireland civilians ...
enormous riots followed: in Dublin over a three day period of increasingly hostile demonstations outside the british embassy, the embassy was eventually burned down. This is the "Bloody Sunday" of song.
Yes, Yes, Yes, we need the British government to fess up.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:20 PM
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7. Three decades more 3,000 dead in Northern Ireland.
Edited on Mon Nov-22-04 03:22 PM by seemslikeadream
A mural depicts "Bloody Sunday," a watershed moment in Irish Republican history. On January 30, 1972, British paratroopers fired on Catholic protesters, hitting 27 unarmed marchers and eventually killing 14. The British army maintains that it was only returning fire



A street in Derry after a bombing attack. Three decades of terror have left more 3,000 dead in Northern Ireland.



Yes...

I can’t believe the news today
Oh, I can’t close my eyes and make it go away
How long...
How long must we sing this song?
How long? how long...

’cause tonight...we can be as one
Tonight...

Broken bottles under children’s feet
Bodies strewn across the dead end street
But I won’t heed the battle call
It puts my back up
Puts my back up against the wall

Sunday, bloody sunday
Sunday, bloody sunday
Sunday, bloody sunday (sunday bloody sunday...)
(allright lets go!)

And the battle’s just begun
There’s many lost, but tell me who has won
The trench is dug within our hearts
And mothers, children, brothers, sisters torn apart

Sunday, bloody sunday
Sunday, bloody sunday

How long...
How long must we sing this song?
How long? how long...

’cause tonight...we can be as one
Tonight...
Tonight...

Sunday, bloody sunday (tonight)
Tonight
Sunday, bloody sunday (tonight)
(come get some!)

Wipe the tears from your eyes
Wipe your tears away
Wipe your tears away
I wipe your tears away
(sunday, bloody sunday)
I wipe your blood shot eyes
(sunday, bloody sunday)

Sunday, bloody sunday (sunday, bloody sunday)
Sunday, bloody sunday (sunday, bloody sunday)
(here I come!)

And it’s true we are immune
When fact is fiction and tv reality
And today the millions cry
We eat and drink while tomorrow they die

The real battle yet begun (sunday, bloody sunday)
To claim the victory jesus won (sunday, bloody sunday)
On...

Sunday bloody sunday
Sunday bloody sunday...
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:29 PM
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8. Also, The Police
I don’t want to spend the rest of my life
Looking at the barrel of an armalite
I don’t want to spend the rest of my days
Keeping out of trouble like the soldiers say
I don’t want to spend my time in hell
Looking at the walls of a prison cell
I don’t ever want to play the part
Of a statistic on a government chart

There has to be an invisible sun
It gives it’s heat to everyone
There has to be an invisible sun
That gives us hope when the whole day’s done

It’s dark all day, and it glows all night
Factory smoke and acetylene light
I face the day with me head caved in
Looking like something that the cat brought in

There has to be an invisible sun
It gives it’s heat to everyone
There has to be an invisible sun
That gives us hope when the whole day’s done

And they’re only going to change this place by
Killing everybody in the human race
And they would kill me for a cigarette
But I don’t even wanna die just yet

There has to be an invisible sun
It gives it’s heat to everyone
There has to be an invisible sun
It gives us hope when the whole day’s done
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