Congress Funds Mandatory Psychological Tests for Kids

Congress Funds Mandatory Psychological Tests for Kids

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/11/22/215244.shtml

Newsmax | November 23 2004

One of the nation's leading medical groups, the Association of American Physicians & Surgeons (AAPS), decried a move by the U.S. Senate to join with the House in funding a federal program AAPS says will lead to mandatory psychological testing of every child in America – without the consent of parents.

When the Senate considered an omnibus appropriations bill last week that included funding for grants to implement universal mental health screening for almost 60 million children, pregnant women and adults through schools and pre-schools, it approved $20 million of the $44 million sought, Kathryn Serkes, public affairs counsel for AAPS, told NewsMax.

This $20 million matches a like amount already approved by the House, Serkes advised.

While the funding cut of some $24 million was a little good news, suggested Serkes, whose organization has zealously opposed the the measure, she said the organization was most worried about the failure of Congress to include “parental consent” language sought by the AAPS.

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"Can they be retrained to do useful work? Next on CNN..."

Yes. This is really all happening. It's not a bad dream.

...think any of these apply to 14 year olds?

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Is there a problem with MY math......

...will get tested, only special select groups. Real psychological tests cost money, say $50.00 per child conservatively estimated. That means that with $20million they will really only be able to test 40,000 kids

And then no ritalin, but shock treatment for them.

:grr:

There are no good, reliable and valid mass-administered self-report tests for kids under about 14. Also, none of the available tests translate directly into psych diagnoses. The various versions of the Millon come the closest, at least as regards Axis II personality disorders, but there again you hit the fact that there are no forms of the test for pre-adolescent kids. I really wonder if they've thought at all about what they're doing.

...well being of our kids. The U.S. fundementalists and political dominionists will attempt to paint all opposition to religion as mental illness.

It's no measure of health to be well-adjusted to a sick society. -- Krishnamurti

This is SO dangerous -- and sick! I'm beside myself.

And Big Pharma stands ready to dope any square pegs into round holes.

iow: fascism with a smiley face.

Do you have a link?

It would be prohibitively expensive to test all school children. It is not like a vision test that takes one minute.

is really against it? Most of the noise I've seen has come from Rep. Paul (please correct me if I'm wrong). Methinks he'd better stay out of small planes. And I don't think that the idea is to test ALL school kids, certainly not those in the private religious schools. If they don't get federal funds they can't be made to participate. And probably not the affluent "have mores" in public schools. Just start with the ones in public schools deemed in "need of improvement" according to the NCLB test. Further stigmatize those in the so-called failing schools. I don't have any kids in the path of this stuff but that doesn't make any difference. This is really scary shit.

And the hypocrisy continues...
on and on and on........

This is nuts and I will tell you why - no practicing MD will buy into it - given the MAJOR concerns about SSRI's and newer antipsychotics in kids - this is stupid legislation - it simply creates a stupid unfunded mandate that maybe makes a stupid philosophical statement but can never have any effect. Also, public mental health systems are in worse shape than ever, so there is no one to do these or ever provide services if "indicated".

I am using the various health systems (the public ones) and they suck. Almost useless. All they do is get me medicine to pump through my system. Better living through modern chemicals.

And I just found out my daughter has inherited one of my problems that is starting to act up. Now this is coming from someone who is on medication and can appreciate their (limited) effectiveness.

My daughter will be put on anti-depressants over my DEAD FUCKING BODY.
Therapy yes, playing with her brain. No Way!

Anyone who thinks I'm a bad father for that or disagrees with me is free to BRING IT ON!!!!!!

Who, btw, barely have time or resources to handle the ones that are known to be a problem. Waste of manpower, money, time and expertise.

You know, the those too "feebleminded" to be conservative.

I just don't believe this.

individual to these measures?
We need to find some responsible individuals, people who have approved of these proposals, the ones drafting them, and then make them responsible for the assault on democracy.
Most of the media has been as silent as death about this.
I believe we have editors who believe that they choose what the issues are rather than covering the issues that really exist.
If this kind of screening becomes policy, I won't submit to it and I won't allow my children to submit to it either.
They can drag out their gear, but that doesn't mean I have to be there.
If they've taken your freedom and citizenship, you've got to take it back by doing the little non-cooperative things that are necessary.
We have to do what the Poles were doing in the 70s and 80s.
We have to do the little things that defy the reality these bastards are trying to create.

Yup! Part of the New "Brave New World" Program promoted by the little tyrant.

Ironically, the boy king himself would never submit to a psych evaluation. It would reveal his delusional grandiosity and narcissitic behaviors.

“Soviet communists attempted to paint all opposition to the state as mental illness. It now seems our own federal government wants to create a therapeutic nanny state, beginning with schoolchildren. It’s not hard to imagine a time 20 or 30 years from now when government psychiatrists stigmatize children whose religious, social, or political values do not comport with those of the politically correct, secular state.

“American parents must do everything they can to remain responsible for their children’s well-being. If we allow government to become intimately involved with our children’s minds and bodies, we will have lost the final vestiges of parental authority. Strong families are the last line of defense against an overreaching bureaucratic state.”
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"The American government would NEVER do such a thing."
(/sarcasm)
Discount Soma for the children of all liberals!
Get me out of this nuthouse.

you're not being paranoid. This is a classic fascist tactic.

that a newsmax articLe was posted?

put in jail?

Aside from the issues already mentioned, what the $#@^& do they think they're going to with all the kids they net who turn out to have MH problems. They've got gazillions of kids ALREADY with diagnosed MH problems that they aren't coming even close to treating adequately. Instead of going looking for kids, howza 'bout treating the ones we have?!?!?!

I have googled this story, searched for Kathryn Serkes and Rep. Paul and only found this story at newsmax and worldnetdaily. There was a reference to this story from several months ago on snopes.com, but I haven't seen anything else on this. And there is nothing on the Congressman's web site...

mandatory psychological tests of politicians.

Starting with 'Mr. Mandate' himself.......

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At least, this site (psychrights.org) offers a form to allow parents to protect their kids from this bill. Since the program is so new, I don't know if the opt-out form will really have the desired effect, but here is is:
http://psychrights.org/index.htm

It is, imho, a lovely irony that one way the provisions of this bill may ultimately be shot down is by using the No Child Left Behind Act. :)

Another good site for background on just HOW bad this bill is:
http://www.mindfreedom.org/mindfreedom/bush_psychiatry.shtml

it's unbelievable they'd propose this after the bad news on SSRI's and children.

there isn't a single state in the U.S, that has a fully funded mental health program, and what insurance covers adequate treatment? Parents have to give up their kids in order for them to get mental health treatment.

there is a lot more to this than just 'mental health' screening.

ck out brother Jeb's connection with 'straight' and 'safe' - both in court for abusive, coiercive, 'cult-like' treatment of adolescent substance abuse and mental health treatment - i.e. future manchurian canadates. chilling.
and yup, it's 'faith-based'. is mental health treatment the new word for 'state sanctioned child abuse'?
Their board is high profile republicans.

looks like one state has tried it and isn't likeing it.
http://www.illinoisleader.com/news/newsview.asp?c=18658

Texas has a lousy track record for mental health treatment. No one should be using them as a model. As usual, in the bottom third for spending, access and programs.

Andrea Yates was turned down from treatment, 2 wks before she killed her kids in TX. Just one more in a long line of failures.

there is so much information against this,
i don't know what this is really supposed to do, but screening without treatment says Bush is after something else. $24 million is squat.

http://psychrights.org/Drugs/AllenJonesTMAPJanuary20.pdf
http://www.ahrp.org

owned by maybe one of the bush bro's. Doesn't one of them own
some sort of ed/psych consulting co.? And legislation was passed that helped his company in the past.
If you doubt me , think Halliburton. Billions of dollars for services and goods never actually delivered. Just a giant boondogle....

and will be considered terrorist material.

The Association of American Physicians & Surgeons (AAPS) is not a "real" broad-based doctors' group, as its name implies. Instead, it's a group dedicated to fighting healthcare for all. They oppose this measure because it involves gov't involvement in healthcare, not because it affects privacy.

From their petition to stop single-payer healthcare, on their website:

"
We urge the United States government to reject Single-Payer National Health Insurance and any other similar proposals. Forcing all Americans to pay for and participate in government-dictated medicine would harm the quality of care; hinder medical progress; create harmful delays in treatment as in Britain and Canada; undermine the patient-physician relationship; and bankrupt the nation."

Oh no! If we have single-payer healthcare, we might live an average of a year longer, like they do in Britain!!! And for far, far less money--only a little more than we're paying for Medicare and medicaid now!

believe it or not, there are people further to the right than * and they are among them...

just check out the fetching picture of ann coulter on the homepage of newsmax.com