Powell: Ukraine Election Results No Good

What gives us the right to object to someone else's election. What if France said they didn't accept our election of bush?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,139527,00.html

might not win against the Kremlin stooge.... amazing isn't it...

I was looking for. You got it. But will we get it?

Finally someone here who sees past the "good democrat" vs. "evil pro-Russian bureaucrat" bullshit the media's been feeding us for the past three days.

It's "our" guy vs. "their" guy. Ukrainians, take your pick, it's not like life's getting better there any time soon.

You obviously support Yanukovich, but I can't understand why? Does it piss you off that Yushchenko has an American wife or something? Ukraine needs to look westward, not eastward to past repression and crimes againt humanity (ala' the engineered famine of the 30's by Stalin). Putin will merely continue the Russian rape of the country, but Europe will embrace Ukraine as a partner. I think perhaps you fear the dismantling of the current criminal politics and control by mafia so rampant in Ukraine now. After all it was Yanukovich who has the prison record. - K

I prefer not to trust someone who is liked by the PNAC's.

They have good reason and every right not to want to ally closer to Russia. Not everything is about us.

Putin will merely continue the Russian rape of the country

Examples? Or do you mean things like the Russian energy subsidies that Ukraine has benefitted from for the past twelve years?

Europe will embrace Ukraine as a partner

This kind of delusion is precisely why I find news coverage of these events and DU'ers response to them so depressing. Europe doesn't give a shit about the Ukraine outside of the country's potential to 1) provide privatization fodder for European companies, 2) serve EU growth, particularly in terms of providing cheap labor for European manufacturers, 3) further Russia's economic and political isolation.

I think perhaps you fear the dismantling of the current criminal politics and control by mafia so rampant in Ukraine now.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Believe me, whoever wins this election, things will not change for the better. Just look at Russia. Did pro-Western officials of Chubais' ilk improve the situation one bit?

If so, there is hope for them yet. Bush just might decide to liberate them.
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I would surely like to know more. I did not see that on the Jim Lehrer newshour last night.

Most of them hate russia. They voted their heart, why should that be ignored?

don't you smell a rat? ( Last time he objected was in 2000, as you may recall.) It's simple, maybe- BushCo's guy didn't win, despite all the 'support' we gave him. BushCo Inc. stoked their media outlets, and the losing half of the electorate took to the streets.

Talk about electronic voting. DO they have it there? How are the votes counted?

Talk about electronic voting until you're blue in the face.

whoever wins will determine what influence the US will have with the EU, via the back door. This is bigger than just a question of a fraudulent election, imo.

I wonder if the recent Iraq debt forgiveness discussions didn't involve a little exchange of zones of influence, Yalta style.

this has to do with the potential, even probable, change from petrodollars to Eurodollars along with a shit load of other issues. The US wants membership in the EU which has been denied, so far, in order to prevent the currency change and also to try and prevent the EU from forming it's own NATO, thereby neutralizing the US's influence in Europe and Asia.

Their willing to fight for their DEMOCRACY. GOD BLESS THEM ALL!

gives a shit what he thinks--he's on his way out anyways--"Uncle Tom-mer"--sold his soul to the Devil--so sad.

Gee, we've already insulted and turned the entire Middle East popular opinion sans the Israels against us ... what the hell! = Let's torque the Russians off too by proxy (challenging the Ukraine's recent election). Why? Simple - provided added WAR threats and FEAR mongering to our sheeple. They'll support anything we (Executive Branch) choose.

Damn, we can't have fair elections HERE and we go-off on the Ukraine about irregularities.

I can hardly wait until Rice brings her own special "attitude checks" into the international mix.

Yikes!

independent country. It doesn't belong to Russia, or did you miss the breakup of the Soviet Union?

backs the candidate who was declared the winner. Accordingly Bush Co. (Executive Branch) supports his opponent.

What could be more transparent, or hypocritical?

the Ukrainian people made a choice and they are willing to back it up. The have hated the Russians forever and with good reason. Do they deserve to have their voted counted or not?

At a minimum, the Ukrainian "winner" will point out that every criticism that can be made of the Ukrainian election is equally true of the U.S. election. I can't believe Bush and Powell will want to go there.

But, they are amazingly arrogant liars, so who knows?

complaining about the stick in someone else's.

Asshole.

Veins on forehead bulging as I try to process this.

Just gotta back away from news headlines for awhile...slowly...carefully...

I cannot believe that they are saying this with a straight face. It's almost as if Powell is trying to regain some dignity by opening this can of fucking worms regarding illegitimate elections.

No doubt Bush is very proud of the Kremlin-backed "winner" already.

that he is one hell of a lair.

This is actually a true remark. There was a Mideast summit in Cairo Powell was going to concerning Iraq.

One of the Arab officials basically said "What is he going to do, serve tea?"

Powell has no credibility whatsoever overseas because everyone knows he doesn't represent the Administration line. That and he lies.

He's still carrying water for El-Smirkle-Roy and his lackies! Talk about going to Hell in a Hand-Basket!

Would be nice if they would only pay as much attention to ELECTIONS IN AMERICA??!!

Yes, it does have something to do with EU for sure, the Euro is stronger than the American dollar, but when are we going to put a stop to what seems to be DICTATORSHIP here in America???

I hope he iisn't citing the difference between exit polls and the final vote count! Now that would be the ultimate in hypocrisy!

when our own elections are full of corruption?

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http://english.pravda.ru/mailbox/22/101/399/14629_Ukraine.html

America's credibility is going down the crapper.

"When the Republican Party deploys electronic voting machines bought from Republican Party fundraisers who promised before the election to help the President to win, the OSCE observers describe it as localized and insignificant incidents. However, when the incompetent stooge Yushchenko fails to win in the Ukraine, it is fraud."

Chilling isn't it?

So much disinformation in that article. The only reason there is a pro-Russian/anti-Russian split in Ukraine is that the Soviet Union, under Russian control, force migrated millions of Russians into their country (see the blue areas in the map?). Ukrainians want their country back, but the Russians still think they have some god-given right to it. Note their use of "the Ukraine", like it's just some errant region they still own. They can go to hell. They called the election early (and it's not theirs to call!) just like Bush's cousin in FL in 2000. Fuck 'em!!

The election committee (our complement to Kathrine Harris) has deemed the winner. What the Bush Administration must learn the hard way is that their tentacles are not yet world-wide. They didn't invent underhanded tactics that have/are being employed in these elections. I bet they (Bush Administration) is going to have a major public tantrum over this election, but they'll learn, they don't have CONTROL.

I'm gonna pop some corn and watch their meltdown. It's so nice to see the few times where our arrogant Administration can't control every damn political consequence in the world community.

The only reason there is a pro-Russian/anti-Russian split in Ukraine is that the Soviet Union, under Russian control, force migrated millions of Russians into their country

Poland's on the line, they want the orange half of that map back! ;)

"Where was this condemnation during the appalling electoral fraud committed in the USA on November 2nd?"

Interesting that the Pravda writer doesn't mince words at all. This is priceless:

"Mention of "electoral fraud and abuse" from an American observer was risible, after the two fiascos in the USA which saw the most flagrant examples of vote-rigging and electoral fixing in modern history."

How's that for in-your-face journalism? That's calling a spade a spade. Seems the only people in the world who don't believe that American elections are rigged are the American people, themselves.

-Laelth

WASHINGTON - Secretary of State Colin Powell (news - web sites) said Wednesday the United States does not consider legitimate the results of elections in Ukraine, which the opposition says was marred by fraud.

He challenged leaders of the former Soviet bloc nation "to decide whether they are on the side of democracy or not."


"If the Ukrainian government does not act immediately and responsibly there will be consequences for our relationship, for Ukraine's hopes for a Euro-Atlantic integration and for individuals responsible for perpetrating fraud," Powell said.


The secretary was not explicit. However, the United States often revokes the U.S. visas of officials involved in perpetrating fraudulent elections in foreign countries.

more: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=518&ncid=518&e=1&u=/ap/20041124/ap_on_re_eu/us_ukraine

"However, the United States often revokes the U.S. visas of officials involved in perpetrating fraudulent elections in foreign countries."

We stick our noses into EVERYONE else's election and tout Democracy EVERYWHERE... EXCEPT in America!!

We can't even get the MEDIA HERE to cover how WE feel, yet the Puppet Powell is still carrying water for an IDIOT!!

There was once a time, I felt Powell was a fine upstanding respectable person, but no longer. He sold his soul a long time ago, and he holds the key answers to so many questions! He's a real Benedict Arnold to me. I'm sorry, this is just TOO MUCH!!

about people living in glass houses, should throw rocks? The hypocrisy of this administration knows no limits.

Ukraine faces more street protests - Western observers have said that Sunday's election, which preliminary results say Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovich won, fell far short of international standards and the United States warned of punitive measures if the Ukraine Government failed to investigate allegations of vote rigging. (TALK ABOUT HYPOCRITES!!!)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200411/s1250030.htm]


Last Update: Tuesday, November 23, 2004. 10:32pm (AEDT)
Ukraine faces more street protests
Ukraine has faced more mass street protests from an opposition complaining it was cheated of the presidency by the Moscow-backed Government, and the political split has threatened to turn violent.

Western observers have said that Sunday's election, which preliminary results say Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovich won, fell far short of international standards and the United States warned of punitive measures if the Ukraine Government failed to investigate allegations of vote rigging.

More than 100,000 supporters of liberal, West-leaning candidate Viktor Yushchenko poured into the streets of Kiev on Monday after the result became clear and the charges of vote count fraud mounted. (Gee, why don't the Americans have the courage of the Ukrainians???)

At least 1,500 supporters for Mr Yushchenko spent the night in insulated tents near Independence Square, the scene of the major pro-opposition rally the previous day, braving freezing night temperatures.

On Tuesday morning several thousand supporters sporting Mr Yushchenko's bright orange campaign colours were milling around among the ranks of tents stretching part way down Khreshchatyk, Kiev's elegant main street.

Occasionally, supporters would break off from drinking soup and hot beverages to burst into rhythmic chants of "Yushchenko, Yushchenko".

The authorities have said that any lawlessness would be quickly suppressed.

The West spoke of blatant irregularities. Nationalist western regions rejected official returns and said they would recognise only Mr Yushchenko's authority.

-Reuters

Examine your home before throwing bricks through glass houses.

We should take the beam out of our own eye first before we go around judging other countries elections.

The US does, now everyone will....

Democracy is dead. Putin needs to condemn the US election too.

Life must be shallow indeed.

They think nothing of complaining about the discrepancy between exit polls and votes in the Ukraine, but don't see a thing wrong that the exit polls and 'actual' votes display the same discrepancy. Wow life must be a constant struggle to keep their cognitive dissonance in check. No wonder Powell takes ambien to sleep!

The irony is just dripping off this story......http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041124/D86IDBMG0.html

Maybe something else, but I remember just hearing about the same type of thing used as retribution.

international observers present that have called the ellection bogus...? Not verifiable because of huge fraud...?

Ill bet all of those 'international observers' we CIA plants.

D.N.O

Unfortunately, we will never know the answer to any degree of certainty. Those in power are busy shredding as we speak, just in case someone actually attempts to expose any truths.

That we are hearing cries of election fraud on a worldwide basis and there always seems to be a Bush administration member lurking in the background. Is there some kind of worldwide effort to place certain individuals in power or what?

Here's another link to the story, by the way.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=280198