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oldhat Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 01:41 AM
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North Korea May Test Missile Capable of Hitting U.S., CIA Says
North Korea May Test Missile Capable of Hitting U.S., CIA Says

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000101&sid=axiHxDe6PQFg&refer=japan

Nov. 24 (Bloomberg) -- North Korea may be ready to test-fire a long-range ballistic missile capable of reaching parts of the U.S. with a ``nuclear-weapon-sized payload,'' the Central Intelligence Agency said in a report to Congress.

The communist country has repeatedly threatened to test its nuclear weapons and is suspected of trying to obtain material for its uranium-enrichment program, the CIA said in a semiannual report containing declassified material on the acquisition of technology related to weapons of mass destruction. The report, spanning July 1 through Dec. 31 of 2003, identifies a range of countries and proliferation concerns, involving China and Iran.

North Korea has been under international pressure to scrap its nuclear program. Talks between China, North Korea and the U.S. in 2003 paved the way for six-nation talks to resolve its nuclear ambitions. Still, three rounds of six-way talks involving South Korea, Japan and Russia have yielded little.

``In late April 2003 during trilateral talks in Beijing, North Korea privately threatened to `transfer' or `demonstrate' its nuclear weapons,'' according to the report posted on the CIA's Web site. ``It repeated these threats in August 2003 at the six-party talks.''

The report also said North Korea may have ``unknown size'' of chemical weapons capable of being employed ``in a variety of delivery means'' and ``some'' biological arms available for use.
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gumby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 01:46 AM
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1. ooohhh, I'm so skaired........ n/t
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 01:55 AM
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5. We Should Be, It Can Only Hit BLUE States
I'm not sure that Bush*ler would consider that a deterrant actually.
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gumby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 02:06 AM
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8. I fully accept that the last thing I'll see
is a bright light before all my cells vaporise.

I was brought up during the cold war. Now I see it's Final Outcome. I know the results. Get with the (outdated-but equally lethal) program.

Armageddon may be just a "religious" notion to you, but Bush and Condi and Rummy take the destruction of the world seriously...don't ya know?
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ilovenicepeople Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 01:58 PM
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33. There were supposedly N.Korean missile parts found in Alaska
after they last tested a long range missile.I don't know if this was true but it is possible.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 01:46 AM
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2. The new Bush CIA?
Really. Pathetic. Really pathetic. By the way, in a new backdoor buildup I bet those thousands of spies will actually be Bush's fifth column sneaks who pre-invade and do quick coups NOT intelligence gathering. A covert stealth Armed Services that is for which many disgruntled agents have been drafted used and lost without a blip on the national screen.

That and the itch to drop a nuke whenever the provocation arises.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 03:28 AM
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17. Yeah,...that "fifth column" (via private contracting),...
,...is prolly already active. Haventcha' already noticed the blips here and there?

:bounce:
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 10:04 AM
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25. A report like this might serve Old and New in different ways
Bush's only loss in the spending bill was on new nuke r&d. Think this might be an attempt to demonstrate a need for that?

The Old CIA could be telegraphing to Congress that there's an abundance of worries in an attempt to temper the build of heated Iran rhetoric, begun by Powell and supported by thin intel that hadn't even worked through any CIA analysis. It really seems that bushies downplay the NK threat at every opportunity.

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Momof1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 01:48 AM
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3. R they really trying to do this again? n/t
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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 01:53 AM
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4. The sad thing about this, is that it is probably true. Dubya allowed it to
happen.
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chicagojoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 01:56 AM
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6. Because Dubya is a Dumbass !!!
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 02:00 AM
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7. North Korea builds world's largest slingshot...
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Sparky McGruff Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 02:08 AM
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9. With this evidence in hand...
With this solid evidence in hand, we have no choice but to invade Antartica. Or Belize. Or New Zealand. Or maybe Madagascar. Or all of them. WE HAVE NO CHOICE! It's for the children! It's for the security of the homeland!
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 02:13 AM
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10. For a very poor country
they are up to making ICBMs like the U$ and USSR of the 60's and 70's. That is pretty damn good. Just goes to show what ingenuity can do.
I guess to launch it they have all the North Koreans stand on a platform /lever type thing and all jump at once.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 02:14 AM
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11. The report is full of weasel words and doesn't say anything definitive
"The report also said North Korea may have ``unknown size'' of chemical weapons capable of being employed ``in a variety of delivery means'' and ``some'' biological arms available for use."

"may have", "unknown size", "some", etc. - This sounds like the usual scare tactics. I may have a time machine of unknown size in my backyard.

"North Korea continues to export ``significant'' related equipment, component materials and technical expertise to the Middle East, South Asia and North Africa with ``high priority'' because it's one of the country's major sources of hard currency, the report said."

This is another non-definitive statement dressed up like facts - all these terms (significant related equipment, component materials, technical expertise) could refer to almost anything.

This vague language is nearly always a sign that they are lying.



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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 02:41 AM
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12. Well, I think the CIA is full of shit. Here's why...
Edited on Thu Nov-25-04 02:43 AM by Poll_Blind
As a west-coaster, I'm not losing any sleep over NK's missiles. Assuming that the hypothetical (it's not been launched or possibly even built, it's literally hypothetical) Taep'o-dong 2 could actually spin up a warhead for proper reentry, it's still going to fall at least 1,000km short of Oregon/Washington if not 2,000-3,000km. And that's giving more credit to them and the Iranians than they deserve. They make shitty missiles which often as not malfunction.

We are not dealing with Germans with an eye for precision instruments, here. Just my take. Once the North Koreans develop an all-liquid missile that can break 4,000km then I might, just might, look up from my morning paper. That's years off.

PB
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 02:51 AM
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13. Meanwhile, Ukrain has
thousands of Nukes left over from the old days......
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 03:00 AM
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15. Exactly! We need to worry about poorly guarded nukes....
...ALREADY made instead of nukes and missiles capable of delivering them which have YET TO have their prototypes launched.

PB
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 05:16 AM
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19. Actually, no it doesn't
After the USSR dissolved in the early 90's, Ukraine transferred all of it's nuclear warheads back to Russia, and the United States assisted in decommissioning nuclear weapons sites. The missiles themselves were mostly destroyed.

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/ukraine/
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 09:40 AM
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24. I just heard there was hundreds if not thousnads
of nukes heads lying around, not accounted for....
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drunkdriver-in-chief Donating Member (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 02:54 AM
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14. America has thousands that can hit north korea
You'd think they too have a right to self defense, but no doubt our corrupt media will spin this as a terrorist threat from NK.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 03:05 AM
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16. FEAR! BE AFRAID! This message was approved by George the
War Pig.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 04:21 AM
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18. Iran... N. Korea... Iran... N. Korea
Hmm, so many little countries, so little time.

Oh geez, which one will win the sweepstakes and become the next lucky country we invade. We're talking tough in TWO places now.
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moggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 08:23 AM
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22. Pakistan?
Pakistan has nukes, buys N. Korean missiles, has sold nuclear technology to N. Korea, harbours terrorists, and has committed terrorist acts itself in Kashmir. Damn, I forgot: it's a US ally.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 11:37 AM
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29. Would some of that describe Saudi Arabia as well?
Yep, gotta love those allies.

So... no oil in Pakistan?
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 06:03 AM
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20. New video game out, Kill the North Koreans
I find it racist and offensive.
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retread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 07:55 AM
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21. An excuse to build the missile "defense" shield!!
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cornfedyank Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 10:55 AM
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28. it's good for bidness..Oh! now they don't even bother to bid

A Mother Jones Special Report
How did corporations like Halliburton get millions in government contracts designated for small minority businesses?

Partnerships between multinational companies and tribal businesses, most of them Alaska native corporations, have skyrocketed in recent years—in large part because of a provision in federal law that exempts tribal companies from rules that apply to other minority-owned businesses. The system was established in the mid-1990s to help native communities, where unemployment rates often exceed 40 percent. But it has also become a way for large corporations with no Native American ownership to receive no-bid contracts, an avenue for federal officials to steer work to favored companies, and a device for speeding privatization. “It’s a loophole gone wild,” Charles Tiefer, an expert in federal contract law, recently told the trade journal Washington Technology. “I have seen little evidence that this produces jobs in Alaska as opposed to profits for those entrepreneurs skillful enough to exploit it.”

http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/notebook/2004/11/11_400.html
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 08:31 AM
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23. No threat. They know that if they use their bomb, we use our many bombs
A pity this isn't television, it's quite fascinating to watch.
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 01:27 PM
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31. Deterence worked for 50 years, but in chimpworld, not!
It's a new world since 911! Deterence kept Russia from using nukes for 50 years but now it doesn't work against pitifully vulnerable North Korea. Reality is rent asunder. We must attack, ATTACK I SAY!
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 10:34 AM
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26. Tit for Tat.
Don't they know we are the only people allowed to annihilate nations?
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chenGOD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 10:38 AM
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27. I think I've read this story about 5 times in the last 4 months.
It seems like every month there's a new story that contains the same information: "North Korea soon to have missile that will drop right into your toilet while you're taking your morning crap!!!"
BE AFRAID!FEAR!TERROR!IT'S COMING FOR YOU!

Jeez, I'm scared now. I think I better buy something. Anything. Gotta relieve my fear with some serious consumerism. That'll make everything okay, won't it Uncle Dubya?
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 01:29 PM
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32. Gotta beat those wardrums!
Or Korea might unify peacefully and have all that uranium over there and nuclear reactors all to themselves.
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livinbella Donating Member (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 11:40 AM
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30. I double dog dare NK to load 'em up and nuke DC!
Let's get this fucking party started, mmkay!?
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