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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:46 PM
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Ukraine President Calls for Blockade's End
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=287318

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KIEV, Ukraine Nov 28, 2004 — Ukraine's outgoing president called on the political opposition to end its four-day blockade of government buildings over the disputed presidential election, saying Sunday that compromise was the only solution to the crisis gripping this former Soviet republic.

But opposition leader Viktor Yushchenko, who claims he was cheated out of victory through fraud in the Nov. 21 presidential runoff, urged his supporters to stay in the streets. Hundreds of thousands of demonstrators have thronged downtown Kiev for a week to support Yushchenko's claim that the election was rigged and he was robbed of victory.

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The standoff has fueled a political tug-of-war between the West and Moscow over the future of Ukraine. On Saturday, Ukraine's parliament declared the election invalid amid international calls for a new vote, and lawmakers also passed a vote of no confidence in the Central Elections Commission, which declared Moscow-backed Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych the winner.


Both parliamentary votes, however, are symbolic only and have no legal standing. Yushchenko also has called for a new vote on Dec. 12 under the watch of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe. He has also demanded that the 15 members of the election commission be replaced.

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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 03:12 PM
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1. How the US and Britain are intervening in Ukraine's elections
Here is another point of view on this (and more plausible to me) by John Laughland:

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=74&ItemID=6746

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It is because of this ideological presupposition that Anglo-Saxon reporting on the Ukrainian elections has chimed in with press releases from the State Department, peddling a fairytale about a struggle between a brave and beleaguered democrat, Yushchenko, and an authoritarian Soviet nostalgic, the present Prime Minister, Viktor Yanukovych. All facts which contradict this morality tale are suppressed. Thus a story has been widely circulated that Yushchenko was poisoned during the electoral campaign, the fantasy being that the government was trying to bump him off. But no British or American news outlet has reported the interview by the chief physician of the Vienna clinic which treated Yushchenko for his unexplained illness. The clinic released a report declaring there to be no evidence of poisoning, after which, said the chief physician, he was subjected to such intimidation by Yushchenko's entourage - who wanted him to change the report - that he was forced to seek police protection.

It has also been repeatedly alleged that foreign observers found the elections fraught with violations committed by the government. In fact, this is exclusively the view of highly politicised Western governmental organisations like the OSCE - a body which is notorious for the fraudulent nature of its own reports, and which in any case came to this conclusion before the poll had even taken place - and of bogus NGOs, such as the Committee of Ukrainian Voters, a front organisation exclusively funded by Western (mainly American) government bodies and think-tanks, and clearly allied with Yushchenko.

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Wright Patman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 03:32 PM
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2. Here's another one
Edited on Sun Nov-28-04 03:32 PM by Wright Patman
http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/News/Trifkovic/NewsViews.htm

It doesn't sound as if Yushchenko's mobs can be properly described as "liberal" in the sense the term is used in the U.S.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 03:58 PM
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3. All the media players who pushed a war on Iraq are now pushing Yushchenko
That alone should give one pause. When Faux News and CNN are both playing the Yushchenko is the savior against the godless Russians, one knows there is someone behind the scene coordinating the message being fed to the US masses.
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VivaKerry Donating Member (609 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 05:28 PM
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4. Finally... some other people coming around to the stink of this.
I got totally lambasted in a thread a few days ago and told "take your fight with bush someplace else, bucko" (my paraphrase).

I am like, uh, golly, name ONE cause .. one humanitarian cause where bush has stood on the side of RIGHT???? ONCE in his pitiful little life. And watch bush stand for yushenko. And get behind bush. Wow. How easily we are fooled.

Yes, those are real people, citizens, in the streets of Kiev. How they got there, I just don't know. How did we get millions and millions of americans to lay all their faith in a waving piece of cloth, formerly known as our flag. PROPAGANDA.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 05:56 PM
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5. There are plenty of us who are questioning the MSM stance
Many here are in favor of the Ukraine protests because they wish we would have done the same here. If we would have had BushCo behind us as they are behind the Ukrainian protests and as they were behind the Florida 2000 protests, we could have had an effective protest here. I believe what we are seeing in the Ukraine is the situation we would be seeing here in the US if Kerry had happened to get the most electorial votes.
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VivaKerry Donating Member (609 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 06:07 PM
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6. So true, Robbien.
I hadn't thought of that. IF kerry had won, the country would have gone crazy.

Btw, thanks for some info you imparted to me in another thread yesterday (that I didn't see until long after the thread had sunk). You had told me that france and germany had been meeting with china for economic alliances. I had missed that. Thanks for letting me know. I am trying to keep up with every move made in terms of alignment for ww4, or what I am speculating will be such a war and the alignment of countries.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 06:11 PM
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7. To be fair, the Russians should have scrutineers as well
If there is another election. It would be best if there were an authentically neutral third party present, but I don't know who that could be in today's world.
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