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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 04:23 PM
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Pentagon brushes off criminal complaint against Rumsfeld, top officials
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20041130/pl_afp/iraq_us_abuse_germany&cid=1521&ncid=1480

WASHINGTON (AFP) - The Pentagon (news - web sites) brushed off a criminal complaint filed in Germany seeking an investigation into the roles played by US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and other top administration officials in the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal.


A Pentagon spokesman said eight major inquiries have been conducted into the prisoner abuse scandal, and three more reports are pending.


"Results show the actions depicted in the Abu Ghraib abuse photos were not the result of US policy," said the spokesman.


"A number of criminal investigations have also been conducted, and continue to be conducted, to ensure those who've engaged in misconduct are held accountable," he said.

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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 04:26 PM
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1. sweep sweep broom
where's congress?
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shoelace414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 04:28 PM
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2. Check Bush's back pocket
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 04:36 PM
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3. remember back in the day
when the constitution was our guide?
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shoelace414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 04:38 PM
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4. We don't have time for the constitution
Freedom is on the march
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 04:41 PM
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6. you made me smile
so thankyou
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 04:41 PM
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5. Well, gee, there's a surprise!
The Pentagon saying criminal charges against the SecOfDef are wrong. Whodathunkit?

In other news, Scott Peterson must've been innocent, since he pleaded not guilty!
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 04:42 PM
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7. "Bring me DNA and a blue dress
Edited on Tue Nov-30-04 04:43 PM by louis-t
and I'll prosecute."
I believe it was Porter Goss who said this.
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central scrutinizer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 04:46 PM
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8. let's ask Gonzales
for his opinion. After all, he's the one who characterized the Geneva conventions as "quaint". Of course it was policy and was at the very least condoned by the administration, even if it was not directly ordered. But as with everything else, this administration will blame the soldiers, and a few low level grunts will take the fall. Remember, Rummie's original response to the torture (it's not abuse, goddamit) was to ban digital cameras.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:30 PM
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9. If found guilty, and he travels to Germany or any country that has...
...an extradition agreement with Germany, will he be taken into custody and remanded to the proper authorities?
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proudbluestater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 06:29 PM
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10. Action Alert! Sign up to ask Germany to investigate!
Action Alert!

Call on the German Federal Prosecutor to Investigate Rumsfeld and Other U.S. Officials for War Crimes at Abu Ghraib


The Center for Constitutional Rights and four Iraqis who were tortured in U.S. custody have filed a complaint with the German Federal Prosecutor’s Office against high ranking United States civilian and military commanders over the abuses at Abu Ghraib prison and elsewhere in Iraq.

We are asking the German prosecutor to launch an investigation: since the U.S. government is unwilling to open an independent investigation into the responsibility of these officials for war crimes, and since the U.S. has refused to join the International Criminal Court, CCR and the Iraqi victims have brought this complaint in Germany as a court of last resort. Several of the defendants are stationed in Germany.

Defendants include Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld, former CIA Director George Tenet, Lt. General Ricardo S. Sanchez, Major-General Walter Wojdakowski, Brig.-General Janis Karpinski, Lt.-Colonel Jerry L. Phillabaum, Colonel Thomas M. Pappas, Lt.-Colonel Stephen L. Jordan, Major-General Geoffrey Miller, and Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence Stephen Cambone.

German law allows German courts to prosecute for killing, torture, cruel and inhumane treatment, forcible transfers and sexual coercion such as occurred at Abu Ghraib. The world has seen the photographs and read the leaked “torture memos” – we are doing what is necessary when other systems of justice have failed and seeking to hold officials up the chain of command responsible for the shameful abuses that occurred.

Please join our effort! The German Prosecutor has discretion to decide whether to initiate an investigation. It is critical that he hear from you so he knows that people around the world support this effort.

For more information on the suit, click here.

Deadline: December 31, 2004

http://www.ccr-ny.org/v2/whatsnew/action/actionAlert2.asp
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 06:59 PM
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11. Kick. I edited the English portion of the letter.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 09:39 PM
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12. Guilty!!!

Rumsfailed Admitted to Violating Geneva Convention

Rumsfailed admitted in public on TV that when CIA Director Tenet requested that an Iraqi prisoner be sent to a secret Afghan/US Prison that Rumsfailed did so. After four months a DOD Attorney stated that this was an illegal act. Rumsfailed then ordered that this prisoner be sent back to Abu Graihib but the prisoner was purposefully not listed at that location, also an illegal act. Rumsfeld also admitted to signing orders for tougher interogation methods which violated the Geneva Conventions.

Rumfailed has commited at least three violations of the Geneva Convention; thereby also violations of The Constitution of the USA. Recently it has been found out that even more detainees were "ghost detainees". The fact that Rumsfailed and Tenet have not been charged speaks volumes. If Congress wishes to garner any respect they should move forward with Rep. Rangle's Impeachment Declaration of Rumsfailed and also proscecute Ex. CIA Tenet.

Does the US, Govt., Congress, and the Justice Dept no longer abide by the Geneva Convention or the Constitution of the USA?



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Q: Senator Jack Reed (Dem, RI): "If you were shown
a video of a United States Marine or an American
citizen in control of a foreign power, in a cell block,
naked with a bag over their head, squatting with their
arms uplifted for 45 minutes, would you describe that
as a good interrogation technique or a violation of
the Geneva Convention?"

A: Marine Gen. Peter Pace, the vice chairman of the
Joint Chiefs of Staff: "I would describe it as a violation."

A: Paul D. Wolfowitz, the deputy secretary of defense: "What
you've described to me sounds to me like a violation of the
Geneva Convention."

Thursday, May 13, 2004, Senate Armed Services Committee hearings

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A25737-20...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A25737-2004May13.htm




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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 09:42 PM
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13. Pentagon = LIARS. US Military itself said it was US POLICY that led to
abuses in Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, and several other US gulags.

WE KNOW it was US policy; the US POLICY APPROVED BY BUSH is already known to most the thinking world.
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Sabriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 10:13 PM
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14. Maybe the napalm charge will stick, no pun intended
I'd like to see them taken down for that, sick fuckers.
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