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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 04:34 PM
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House Elections Boss Might Explore Paper Trail
Edited on Tue Nov-30-04 04:35 PM by seemslikeadream
Published: Nov 30, 2004

TALLAHASSEE - The new chairman of the state House committee that deals with elections said he's open to considering paper audit trails for touch-screen voting machines.
Rep. Ron Reagan, R-Bradenton, said he did not think there was anything wrong with the computer touch-screen machines used in 15 Florida counties this year, but he is willing to allow debate on whether there's a need to back them up with printers if the technology is available.

``It's something I think we do have to revisit,'' said Reagan, the new chairman of the House Ethics and Elections Committee.

His willingness to consider touch-screen paper trails echoes that of Gov. Jeb Bush, who opposed the idea running up to November's election, saying it wasn't feasible, but said the day after the election that if the technology becomes available, it should be pursued.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 04:38 PM
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1. Wow!
The cocksucker will allow debate! Great! Fantastic! And to think, we live in a "democracy."
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GOPFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 04:45 PM
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2. Damn!
That means they've found another way to steal votes!

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Bushfire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 04:56 PM
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3. "if the technology becomes available"
Earth to Jeb, it's been available for YEARS now...
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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:17 PM
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10. Yeah. It's printers. Printers, folks. That is the technology.
WTF.

Boot the optiscams and touch-n-steals OUT of the voting booths.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 11:01 PM
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21. Guess he hasn't gone to an ATM in a decade. Duh!
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are_we_united_yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 11:29 PM
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22. Those receipts at the ATM machine---just your imagination.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 04:57 PM
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4. What's to debate??? Just do it!
Christ all mighty!!! These fucking idiots are going to debate whether or not there should be a paper receipt after someone votes???? Holy, jumping Jesus in a hand bag!! Has the whole fucking gov't lost common sense???
Just do the damn thing.
It's amazing, when money is involved (ATM), there are receipts but hell, screw the future! We don't need no stinking proof!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:04 PM
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5. Now that unauditable machines put dictatortot back in, Jebbie won't fight
any future paper trails. He doesn't give a shit. The government will be bankrupted by then and only the big corporations will have any real power.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:14 PM
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7. My thoughts EXACTLY! cute that Jeb is willing to look NOW...
but wasn't until AFTER shrub got his second four years!!!!

I hate this, but I hope the Dems stay in the fight so that we can feel comfortable with the voting results of 2006.

I desperately want us to take back the Senate and the House, but at least if all Americans can feel assured that the votes were accounted for correctly, we will know FOR SURE where the problems are. Right now, some say we are running poor candidates, some blame it on the message not getting out, and some blame it on the inaccuracy or fraud of the voting. We need to eliminate one problem at a time, and then concentrate on getting Dems elected!!!
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lthuedk Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:11 PM
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6. Feigned concern. This will go nowhere, and is a feeble attempt
to placate and misdirect. Throw a net over the entire criminopublican party and prosecute.
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Ima Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:15 PM
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8. Bring
back paper and #2 pencil. Other country do it.
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CitySky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:16 PM
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9. State - Florida - House
at least a start though. Somebody in FL pls write him a nice thank-you note -- then stay on his case!
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:45 PM
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11. But now is AFTER THE FACT FOR AMERICA!!!
THese people are such slime bags.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:48 PM
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12. So the day AFTER the stolen election
Jeb says we need a different system??? What a disengenuous remark.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:48 PM
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13. So the day AFTER the stolen election
Jeb says we need a different system??? What a disengenuous remark.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:48 PM
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14. So the day AFTER the stolen election
Jeb says we need a different system??? What a disengenuous remark.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:49 PM
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15. Why did this post 3 times?
How do I delete?
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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:53 PM
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16. Typical Republican Horses**t.....
.....They steal your car, beat your wife, and leave your cat pregnant after emptying your bar....when that happens you just KNOW the following monday they'll speak out about the growing lack of civility in the neighborhood...
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Merlot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 07:09 PM
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17. A paper trail is not good enough
It makes things sound all aboveboard to say we have a paper trail. But a paper trail is only used if there is a need for a recount, and recount only happens if the count is close. If the margin of the win is large enough, there won't be a recount. The machine numbers will be used.

Giving someone a "receipt" doesn't guarantee that the machine recorded their vote correctly.

The only thing that works is counting paper ballots.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 07:16 PM
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19. That's why the paper trail should be automatically audited.
Unless there's an automatic audit (sample hand count), there's no way to detect fraud. "No news is (NOT!) good news."
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RFM Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 07:12 PM
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18. a republican, no less
:wtf: is WRONG with our 'leadership'

is this another third-way philosophy that says keep your heads down and your mouths shut?

:argh:
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 10:49 PM
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20. When the Republicans are through investigating this, the bill they pass ..
... will make it illegal for banks to keep any paper records.
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