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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 02:29 PM
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Alabama governor unveils Capitol display including Ten Commandments
MONTGOMERY, Ala., Sept. 9 — Gov. Bob Riley opened an exhibit at the Capitol on Tuesday that included a small plaque of the Ten Commandments, keeping a promise to supporters of a massive granite monument removed by court order from the state judicial building.

The plaque was given to Riley by supporters of the 2½-ton Ten Commandments monument.


http://famulus.msnbc.com/famulusgen/ap09-09-120018.asp?t=apnew&vts=9920031217
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 02:32 PM
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1. this is the difference between the gov and the judge:
Edited on Tue Sep-09-03 02:56 PM by salin
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Riley and Alabama's attorney general included other historical documents, including the Magna Carta and the Bill of Rights, in the display to make it more legally defensible than the 5,300-pound monument that sat alone in the rotunda of the Supreme Court building before it was wheeled away on Aug. 27, the governor's spokesman said.


To my understanding, this has been ruled as constitutionally acceptable.


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Racenut20 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 02:37 PM
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2. Still waiting to see what they do
When a Muslim Judge unviels his granite Koran in the court house.
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TheYellowDog Donating Member (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 02:54 PM
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6. How could you have a book made of granite?
You couldn't make granite pages, it would have to be large slabs on top of one another, and it just wouldn't work. It's not concise like the Ten Commandments. ;)
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 03:02 PM
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8. SURELY they can find a choice selection from the Quran ....
to create a worthy shrine to Mohammed within the very intitutions that form our government ...... right ? ....

You dont have ANY objections to the public display of Islamic moral precepts under the auspices of the United State Government .....

Do you ? ....
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Don_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 09:11 PM
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17. In Alabama?
They never lost the Civil war...just hate those Damm Yankees who blockaded the ports where they couldn't afford an army anymore.
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TheYellowDog Donating Member (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 10:07 PM
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19. YES I DO
I have objections to the display of any religion's moral precepts in a public building.
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damnraddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 03:57 PM
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10. If I were you, I wouldn't ...
take that for granite.
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Sick of Bullshit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 07:33 PM
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13. The ironic thing is
The 10 Commandments are also accepted in Islam

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_10co.htm
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 02:57 PM
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7. I think it would drive them crazy... but, if he included it
as part of a display of other historical documents... I would think the courts would have to rule it as perfectly legitimate.
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 03:09 PM
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9. That would be..
heavy as hell!
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 02:38 PM
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3. People are daily being
killed and maimed by treachery and injustice and greed; crushing poverty is squashing out the lives and futures of children in this country and all over the world; the environment of our planet is being raped and distroyed by greed and ignorance; and all these mindless, putrid, simpletons can think of is "where is the image of my god going to be placed?" Sickening.
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 02:38 PM
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4. Doesn't Alabama vote on a new tax plan today?
I really hope this helps Gov. Riley with his Christian tax plan to shift the tax burden more to the wealthy of his state. Perhaps this is timed to help in that vote.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 02:50 PM
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5. Good point
Sometimes we need to keep sight of the important things in life. Let him display the ten commandments along side the other documents if it gives him more support for what's right.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 07:16 PM
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11. While I think this is a backhanded way of displaying the 10
commandments, I do believe it is legal. At least they were forced to play by the rules, for once.
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 07:33 PM
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12. I disagree.
The Magna Carta and the Bill of Rights are not religious documents.

If they are going to display the 10 commandments, they should have to honor every request to display similar works from Islam, Buddhism, Taoism, Atheism, Deism, Wicca, and any other "religions" that have had a significant role in our history.

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toopers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 08:42 PM
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14. Since the Bill of Rights is not religious,
is it Atheist? Just wondering.
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Mechatanketra Donating Member (903 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 09:11 PM
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16. It's secular.
It doesn't belong to any body of religious belief, including atheism. It is (by intent) religious indeterminate.

The problem, of course, is that while the Bill of Rights (and the constitution as a whole) may not endorse or oppose any body of religious belief, a great many religious bodies have a lot to say about government and how it should be run -- which makes it tough to stay "religiously indeterminate".
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Unforgiven Donating Member (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 08:55 PM
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15. Dead On
You're dead on target with this post. These religious fanatics will go to any lengths to cram thier beliefs down your throat whether you want it or not. And they have no problem in saying so!
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vixengrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 09:47 PM
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18. I can only see it...
if a Judge knows well the Wiccan rede, and the sentencing is for a death penalty, will it occur he may have earned his action on himself three times over? As he willed death to anothe, and all?

Should our laws be opened to stoning--oft-recommended in Islam and Old Testament law? Many Christian Reconstructionists might say "Yea"...but so, obviously, would Taliban. And other Fundamentalist Islamicists. Would we outlaw alcohol again, as neither Islan nor Buddhism are much pro-booze? Should manufacturers makinf linsy-woolseys be shot for adulterating faric? How should I treat a disobediant son? Although my sister sleeps with a woman, and not a man...and there is biblical admonition against a man sleeping with another man...well...how should sister be treated? After all, it isn't like she'll have kids. In Wicca..it's "Do as thou wilt.."

And it harm none. Myself alternatively religioned, I perceive that consentuality is a key.

Making of the Ten Commandments plaque a graven image above the God of men is very curious. The first commandment clearly related to who, indeed, is god. It denies the agnostic, atheist, and pagan alike. Best if Courts denied any and all things to do with religion, leaving such things as speech and prayer to *individual* choice...not extending to the public sphere...gov't funding, support, and the like.

My personal opinion is that this slab of granite issue is a wedge if not worse. Roy MOore is a pt barnum...be longs to attract rubes. He wants to rile them. And so he, not your constitutional scholar...has the cache of sanctitude granted by screaming folks supporting him.

But he didn't do a damn, himself, but sneak like a theif in the night, a very heavy stautue into the public discourse. And act as if it made him a more thoughtful Christian.

If it makes people give more of a shake for a stone than men...it is very deceitful. It is simply a freak in a tent...an act.

And he a mere camera-seeking huckster.
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 10:51 PM
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20. well I guess when they start cutting all of the programs for
the poor and handicap, they can all sleep soundly because the ten commandents are proudly on display at the capital.

uhhhmmmm!!! sheeple.
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