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ECH1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:30 PM
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Allawi and Sadr are out of the running and Chalabi is back in!
Some of the names on the list have come out, but the most stunning thing about it is who is left out: notably, Prime Minister Iyad Allawi and his Iraqi National Accord party. This makes it almost impossible for Allawi to be re-elected prime minister, and may well mean he has little chance to even win election to the National Assembly.

Also off the Shiite list is Moqtada al-Sadr, the young radical whose anti-American insurgency was brought to a halt after Sistani intervened in August. Sadr had been negotiating for a position on the Shiite list, but in the end, according to Shahristani, he and his followers did not register as political parties or entities, and so could not join the coalition.

There was a stunning inclusion in the list, as well--Ahmad Chalabi and his exile-based Iraqi National Congress party. Chalabi, initially supported by the American government as a potential replacement for Saddam, has fallen into disfavor with the United States after a series of scandals and even allegations that he was working with Iranian intelligence.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6689439/site/newsweek/
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I know alot of people here dislike Allawi because his ties with the CIA, but he would have extremely preferable to some of the more religiously extreme Shiite names, and it is a freeking joke that Chalabi has a chance that he might be running Iraq in two months.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:34 PM
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1. that freeking joke Chalabi....
this is nuts....
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 05:17 AM
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23. HERE'S THE SWEETHEART AT THE STATE OF THE UNION


Behind the stepford clone.
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:35 PM
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2. What did Allawi do to piss off the Bush Cartel....
And is it O.K. to forgive Chalabi now?
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ECH1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:36 PM
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4. The Shiite Leadership came up with this list
Not the Bush Cartel.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:36 PM
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3. Allawi...RE-ELECTED???
Gotta be ELECTED first to be RE-elected.

Ahmed "thanks suckers!" Iranian spy Chalabi can be included on any lists he wants...but he's not on very good terms with the Iraqis. Chalabi hadn't even been in Iraq since he was a baby...until bush flew him in last year.

No way in hell will the Iraqis elect Chalabi. Or Allawi. Or any other bushCartel puppet.

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ECH1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:38 PM
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5. Allawi is off the ballot
The Shiite leadership isn't allowing him on.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:55 PM
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12. Yes, this I know.
But the article says this means no chance for Allawi to be RE-elected.

Allawi wasn't elected the first time. He was SElected. Like bush.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 02:43 AM
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18. It is all perfectly cynical BFEE gerrymandering, as I understand it
The top names on the list are almost guaranteed to be elected, by this proportional representation system. So, as long as Chalabi can maneuver his way into a spot fairly high on the list he will be elected by virtue of this Shia party gaining most of that section of the population's vote. I imagine he cut some kind of deal with someone to get on the list. From there, he can claw his way to the top.

The question is, was this a setup all along? Was Allawi allowed to be leader of the interim puppet government so that Chalabi could make the pretense of being a patriot against the occupation? Then, when the time was ripe, was he inserted back into the political scene, purified by his brief absence? If so, was Allawi a patsy or a willing actor?

With the BFEE one never knows how many circles within circles one is dealing with. Of course, Iraqis may throw a wrench into the works by extra-electoral means, bringing down the BFEE house of cards anyway.
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neweurope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 04:58 AM
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21. I'm convinced you got all of that right, daleo.
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Jazzgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 06:48 AM
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26. I always thought dissing Chalabi was a setup.
The US made it look like they were pissed at him by accusing him of spying for Iran. Then they raided his offices. If they thought he had really done all of that he'd be in Gitmo! I knew that then. They're gonna get their boy right where they wanted him all along.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 12:42 PM
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32. that is interesting
the US would have to pretend not to like him - so they can pretend the Iraqis do or something?!?
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SweetLeftFoot Donating Member (905 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 05:04 AM
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22. Ahem
No way in hell will the Iraqis elect Chalabi. Or Allawi. Or any other bushCartel puppet.

And you really think its going to be a free and fair election. Jesus, if they rig the vote in the States, its a given they'll rig 'em in the colonies.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 12:39 PM
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31. that is the trouble - whoever they can get on the ballot
they can have win.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:39 PM
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6. Sounds like Florida and Ohio elections
Maybe they're having the little purge at CIA over the Chalabi outing?
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:42 PM
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7. Ahhhh,...the games being played upon humanity.
Instilling trust may become the impossible mission.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:43 PM
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8. Bushco will place whomever he wants into this position
The Iraqi people have no say.
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Nordic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:51 PM
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10. exactly. The election will be strictly for show
kind of like ours are now.

The illusion of Democracy. Keeps the people quiet. Shuts 'em right up, in fact!
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:48 PM
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9. Just Like he did with Karzai
Edited on Thu Dec-09-04 11:48 PM by Erika
The global corporatists have finally figured out a way to silence anyone who disagrees with them, whether it be Americans or whomever.
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KlatooBNikto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:53 PM
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11. If Chalabi gets in as the PM, can his "sweetie pie" Judith Miller be
Edited on Fri Dec-10-04 12:06 AM by KlatooBNikto
far behind? Expect her to make a grand entrance into the Iraq social scene first as the escort of the PM and, within a few years, as the new Empress of Iraq. How can we deny such good fortune to the intrepid reporter, who against all odds, discovered the presence of WMD's in Iraq, while being "embedded" literally and figuratively with the aforementioned Chalabi?
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 06:39 AM
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25. maybe wolfie can be his escort
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 12:36 AM
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13. The American election is over. Chalabi is rehabilitated
and will be brought back out again just Admiral Poindexter or John Negroponte after IranContra died down.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 01:06 AM
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14. I laughed out loud. What total shit. Our kids die for this crap?
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 02:19 AM
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17. Yes. Under Bush our kids are dying for this crap
God, it hurts.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 01:08 AM
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15. When will Saddam be reinstalled?
you know it's going to happen sooner or later.
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Quetzal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 01:17 AM
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16. Sistani was trying to get all Shiites under the mantle of one party
Edited on Fri Dec-10-04 01:18 AM by Quetzal
Ever since the start of the occupation, Ahmed Chalabi has posistioned himself extremely close to Sistani and has supported his every request from the Americans. It is an effort on his part to bum off the credibility of Sistani.

Allawi refused to be a part of the political party that Sistani was forming because he felt most of the factions on the said list were fundamentalists that were more interested in creating a Islamic state instead of a more progressive, secular Iraq.

Sitani also folded the organization of Sadr into the Shiite party list.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 04:35 AM
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19. Oh, yeah, Allawi's a PEACH.
Nothing is as attractive as a former CIA asset and current U.S.-installed "Saddam Lite" puppet know for shooting alleged Iraqi "terrorists" point-blank in the head with no trial or even evidence.

Yeah, he's swell.

:eyes:

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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 04:52 AM
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20. What you talking about?
I like this Allawi CIA guy just as much as I liked the last CIA guy the US supported in Iraq...Saddam Hussein.

Don

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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 05:47 AM
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24. Wasn't Allawi elected by the appointed governing council
so I guess he could be re-elected since a prime minister is elected from the body of the party in power....

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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 09:49 AM
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27. AP- Iran-Linked Cleric Leads Iraqi Candidates & Chalabi
BAGHDAD, Iraq - A cleric with links to Iran leads the candidate list of a powerful coalition of Iraq (news - web sites)'s mainstream Shiite Muslim groups for next month's election, an aide said Friday. The list also includes former Pentagon (news - web sites) favorite Ahmad Chalabi and some followers of radical cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.



~snip~



The black-turbaned al-Hakim is the top candidate, said his secretary Jalal Eddin al-Sagheer.


Al-Hakim was the longtime head of SCIRI's armed wing, the Badr Brigade, which was based in Iran during the rule of Saddam Hussein (news - web sites). Al-Hakim returned to Iraq after Saddam's fall and took up the leadership of SCIRI after his brother, Ayatollah Mohammed Baqir al-Hakim, was killed in a car bombing last year.





Other names in the top 10 of the list are Chalabi of the Iraqi National Congress and interim Vice President Ibrahim al-Jaafari of the Islamic Dawa Party, said al-Sagheer.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&ncid=736&e=1&u=/ap/20041210/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 09:51 AM
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28. This is Sistani's list--he has put together a coalition (a real one, not
the Coalition of the Willing)

Allawi is radioactive because Bush appointed him.

Chalabi is one person. Sure he's corrupt, but including him probably smooths the way for Sistani's people to get elected. Besides, he's not as bad as Tom the Hammer.
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Massachusetts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 12:57 PM
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33. Yup
:thumbsup:
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 10:01 AM
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29. Yep, freedom is on the march.
:argh:
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 10:07 AM
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30. NPR reported that Chalabi has "fallen out of favor" with Bushco
They wouldn't want to smear his good name by saying he is a con artist who lied to us to position Iran in a good spot. And we certainly wouldn't want our fair gov't to look like dupes.

Thanks for telling it like it is NPR! Morans...
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