Doubts Persist About Election Results

Doubts Persist About Election Results
By RACHEL KONRAD, Associated Press Writer

As the Electoral College (news - web sites) prepares to certify President Bush (news - web sites)'s re-election on Monday, concerns persist about the integrity of the nation's voting system — particularly in Ohio, where details continue to emerge of technology failures, voter confusion and overcrowded polling stations in minority and poor neighborhoods.
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It's critical that we investigate and understand any and every voting irregularity anywhere in our country, not because it would change the outcome of the election but because Americans have to believe that their votes are counted in our democracy," John Kerry (news - web sites) said this week, after calling for a statewide recount in Ohio.
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In the last five weeks, activists have documented thousands of voting problems across the nation. The citizens' lobby group Common Cause received 210,000 phone calls to a hot line that logged complaints
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In six states, including Florida and Texas, about three dozen voters complained that they selected Kerry on touch-screen machines but were shown as having voted for Bush until they revised their electronic ballot. Equipment manufacturers blamed the problem on miscalibration

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=536&e=1&u=/ap/20041210/ap_on_el_pr/unsettled_election

Miscalibration? "Hey, Wally, let's calibrate the machines so that Kerry votes go for Bu$h!"

Please rate the story up.

This is some media we're stuck with.

http://news.google.com/news?num=100&hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&tab=wn&ie=UTF-8&scoring=d&q=doubts+persist&btnG=Search+News

and there are probably more!

brings a tear to my eye...

Yee-haw!! :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:

Ohio's Republican Secretary of State, Kenneth Blackwell, has conceded that a recount would likely alter the vote tally somewhat. But he adamantly dismisses allegations of fraud.


"This was an election where you have some glitches but none of these glitches were of a conspiratorial nature and none of them would overturn or change the election results," Blackwell said, cutting yet another piece from the end of his ever-lengthening nose.

One thing about this story - besides that they even reported it - is the writer calling Blackwell, "Ohio's Republican Secretary of State." It almost sounds like they're starting to get it!

REPULSIVE Secretary of State!

tally somewhat. But he adamantly dismisses allegations of fraud."

Beginning to worry about your political future, Ken? Are your dreams of being governor slipping away?

or tip his hand, or let something slip. After all, he's holding the Repugs, the Dems, and Democracy all in his hands. What a 'heady' feeling, but eventually something's gotta 'drop.'

And the Repugs must be getting nervous, 'cause I hear those expensive Inaugural gala tickets are NON-refundable. Sorry folks...won't be the first time Shrub went back on a promise! :kick:

Kathy B. can not handle the pressure and is going to fuck up.

Just for the record!

"This is a Fox News Alert::::::"
"Kenneth Blackwell's face dislodged from George Bush's ass - Kerry wins Ohio!"

I do not know if this true or not. :tinfoilhat:

"On Friday December 10 two certified volunteers for the Ohio Recount team assigned to Greene County were in process recording voting information from minority precincts in Greene County, and were stopped mid-count by a surprise order from Secretary of State Blackwell's office. The Director Board of Elections stated that "all voter records for the state of Ohio were "locked-down," and now they are not considered public records." "

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/12/11/101617…

I could not get the link to work.

:kick: :bounce:

"Few mainstream politicians dispute Bush's victory, and the incumbent's 3.5 million-vote margin nationwide was wider than any of the reported problems, which included insufficient or incomplete provisional ballots and, in some places, brazen partisan shenanigans."

It sounds like it's beginning to break, folks. This was on Yahoo's front page!

''and the incumbent's 3.5 million-vote margin nationwide was wider than any of the reported problems,''

the vote dissected by the media in 00 showed that gore won the state -- and fraud played a role that theft.
how can any media report -- after florida 00 -- that bush's 3.5 million is a number that fraud won't touch?

If there was "brazen partisan shenanigans", how can anyone conclude that "the incumbent's 3.5 million-vote margin nationwide was wider than any of the reported problems"??? What if the "brazen partisan shenanigans" had resulted in one candidate receiving 100% of the votes? I guess that result would have been an unquestionable win, right? No possibility of a fraudulent result then, right? Because it's impossible to cheat really big, right? :eyes:

Some smart hacker going into, oh, let's say 70%+ Dem Baltimore and giving Chimpus Khan 100% of the vote.

THAT would get poeople's attention regarding vote security.

& the need to scrap the current system, would be if the Democrats received 100% of the vote in, let's say, TX. :D

the incumbent's 3.5 million-vote margin nationwide was wider than any of the reported problems
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We dont care about the 3.5 million nation wide margin. All we need to change is the 117k diff. between Kerry and the Smirking murderer in Ohio.

The article makes it seem like we need to find 3 1/2 million votes...not true

As it seems that Ohio is the Florida of 2004, in terms of the vote
fraud allegations here, so the electoral votes are working against Bush this time, the popular votes won't make the difference just like last time (in 2000). That is what you call bad karma, what comes around goes around. If this is the beginning of a 'blowback', all the bad karma that Bush accumulated for the last 4 years, I guess now it's returning on him worse that a curse, he's gonna go down worse than Nixon.

No need for saturation bombing of Iraq for Xmas. It didn't help Tricky Dick to win that war either. Just prolonged the killing in a needless war that was, like NYC and 9-11, a calculated and murderous fraud to begin with (Gulf of Tonkin sham).

This is excellent!

"Of greatest concern is the extent of disenfranchisement in the critical swing state of Ohio, whose 20 electoral votes guaranteed Bush's victory."

Notice they didn't say "alleged" disenfranchisement!!! SUCH GOOD NEWS!!!!

:kick: :kick: :kick:

contact these guys, they are WRONG!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x138620

    "committed to helping to deliver the electoral votes of Ohio to the President"
   Walden O'Dell, C.E.O.

Just the daily coincidences coming from 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

Just a harmful "coincidence", I'm sure.

...for what it didn't say. Like the fact that OH's Republican Sec of State Ken Blackwell never bothered to reply to the Democratic House Judiciary Committee's letter containing 34 questions. And that many voters weren't "confused" but intentionally mislead. And that there's no telling how many voters didn't notice that although they intended to vote for Kerry, the touchscreen machine recorded their vote for Bush**.

There are many other things it didn't say and should have. The reporter treated the subject dismissively on the whole.

But what gives me a jolly is that they felt compelled to put it on the front page. I think (hope?) that they're beginning to feel the heat coming from our side.

About freakin' time, too.

Still 3.9

they cheat like most of of breath

:kick:

freepers can't counter that!!

This was discovered last week that Yahoo will switch the URL of a story so that people clicking on the link from a page like this one go to a page that actually DOESN'T COUNT -- even though they don't mention it at all.

The best way to actually make your vote count is to go to page listing the AP's news stories, THEN find the story and click on that link!

This is the link to the AP results page, then you scroll down to "Doubts Persist About Election Results Sat Dec 11,12:02 AM ET"
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=index&cid=536

People should note this little quirk in the future to actually make sure votes count (even though Yahoo does have some legitmacy in preventing, um, ballot-box-stuffing ;> )

All the best,
FMH

it's no wonder our ratings don't have any effect!

Today, Ohio's Sec of State, Ken Blackwell, closed off all voter access tallies in Ohio to the Recount teams.

This seems illegal on Blackwell's part. Haven't seen any new updates on this report.

recount again yesterday... they closed the thread .. haven't seen any updates. weird!

Marsha V. Hammond, PhD: Licensed Psychologist
e mail: hammondmv@netzero.com

December 11, 2004


Hello:

The citizens of the US----who are necessarily tethered to the OH count-----as related to simply obtaining a correct and scrupulously counted vote------are being illegally blocked from overviewing the OH vote. We wish we didn't have to bother you; however, that is not possible and we need immediate access to public voting records.

This is what took place yesterday, Friday: (see this URL for verification: http://fairnessbybeckerman.blogspot.com/2004/12/blackwell-locks-out-recount-volunteers.html


Dayton, Ohio Friday December 10, 2004

On Friday December 10 two certified volunteers for the Ohio Recount team assigned to Greene County were in process recording voting information from minority precincts in Greene County, and were stopped mid-count by a surprise order from Secretary of State Blackwell’s office. The Director Board of Elections stated that “all voter records for the state of Ohio were “locked-down,” and now they are not considered public records.”

The volunteers were working with voter printouts received directly from Carole Garman, Director, Greene County Board of Elections. Joan Quinn and Eve Roberson, retired attorney and election official respectively, were hand-copying voter discrepancies from precinct voting books on behalf of the presidential candidates Mr. Cobb (Green) and Mr. Badnarik Libertarian) who had requested the recount.

One of the goals of the recount was to determine how many minority voters were unable to vote or denied voting at the polls. Upon requesting copies of precinct records from predominantly minority precincts, Ms. Garman contacted Secretary of State Blackwell’s office and spoke to Pat Wolfe, Election Administrator. Ms. Wolfe told Ms. Garman to assert that all voter records for the State of Ohio were “locked down” and that they are “not considered public records.”

Quinn and Roberson asked specifically for the legal authority authorizing Mr. Blackwell to “lock down” public records. Garman stated that it was the Secretary of State’s decision. Ohio statute requires the Directors of Boards of Election to comply with public requests for inspection and copying of public election records. As the volunteer team continued recording information from the precinct records in question, Garman entered the room and stated she was withdrawing permission to inspect or copy any voting records at the Board of Elections. Garman then physically removed the precinct book from Ms. Roberson’s hands. They later requested the records again from Garman’s office, which was again denied.

Ohio Revised Code Title XXXV Elections, Sec. 3503.26 that requires all election records to be made available for public inspection and copying. ORC Sec. 3599.161 makes it a crime for any employee of the Board of Elections to knowingly prevent or prohibit any person from inspecting the public records filed in the office of the Board of Elections. Finally, ORC Sec. 3599.42 clearly states: “A violation of any provision of Title XXXV (35) of the Revised Code constitutes a prima facie case of election fraud within the purview of such Title.”

It is illegal what is taking place in your county.

I am hopeful that we can move forward with this recount which has been obtained through legal channels.

Sincerely,

Marsha V. Hammond, PhD: Licensed Psychologist

End of the line for 2004? Can anything legally be done after certification by the electoral college?

the electoral votes aren't opened by congress until the 6th of jan. so, members of the house in congress have drafted an objection but they need 1 senator to sign on (just like '00) so, if they can get a senator to sign on they can delay and investigate...

let's hope that kerry or edwards (who are both senators and can sign the objection) act on principle for once and sign the objection..

BE

and show up at your state capital tomorrow...

http://www.51capitalmarch.com/

Why is it only democrat voters that get confused? Is it only us that cannot read, comprehend and follow instructions?

You're joking here, right?

Why is it only democrat voters that get confused?


Hmmm, it seems to me that someone who is actually a Democrat, and has as many posts as you do, would know to call us, "Democratic" voters.

Why do you think we're confused?

We are anything but confused.

We know exactly what happened. You guys stole it again.

When someone steals from you,...who's fault is it?

If you have a dog and leave a half-eaten steak on top of the garbage can before you leave home,...who's fault is it when you come home to garbage all over your floor. The dog's?

How the hell does a miscalibration produce a directly opposite result to the one you are seeking?.