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jonnyo Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 04:12 PM
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He lost an arm in Iraq; the Army wants money
http://www.recordonline.com/archive/2004/12/10/abandon1.htm

December 10, 2004

He lost an arm in Iraq; the Army wants money
Spc. Robert Loria is stuck at Fort Hood, Texas
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By Dianna Cahn
Times Herald-Record


ÊÊÊUPDATE: Army takes action on soldier

ÊÊÊMiddletown Ð He lost his arm serving his country in Iraq.
ÊÊÊNow this wounded soldier is being discharged from his company in Fort Hood, Texas, without enough gas money to get home. In fact, the Army says 27-year-old Spc. Robert Loria owes it close to $2,000, and confiscated his last paycheck.
ÊÊÊ"There's people in my unit right now Ð one of my team leaders over in Iraq with me, is doing everything he can to help me .... but it's looking bleak," Loria said by telephone from Fort Hood yesterday. "It's coming up on Christmas and I have no way of getting home."
ÊÊÊLoria's expected discharge yesterday came a day after the public got a rare view of disgruntled soldiers in Kuwait peppering Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld with questions about their lack of adequate armor in Iraq.
ÊÊÊLike many soldiers wounded in Iraq, Loria's injuries were caused by a roadside bombing. It happened in February when his team from the 588th Battalion's Bravo Company was going to help evacuate an area in Baqubah, a town 40 miles north of Baghdad. A bomb had just ripped off another soldier's arm. Loria's Humvee drove into an ambush.
ÊÊÊWhen the second bomb exploded, it tore Loria's left hand and forearm off, split his femur in two and shot shrapnel through the left side of his body. Months later, he was still recuperating at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, D.C., and just beginning to adjust to life without a hand, when he was released back to Fort Hood.
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ÊÊÊAFTER SEVERAL MORE MONTHS, the Army is releasing Loria. But "clearing Fort Hood," as the troops say, takes paperwork. Lots of it.
ÊÊÊLoria thought he'd done it all, and was getting ready to collect $4,486 in final Army pay.
ÊÊÊThen he was hit with another bomb. The Army had another tally Ð of money it says Loria owed to his government.
ÊÊÊA Separation Pay Worksheet given to Loria showed the numbers: $2,408.33 for 10 months of family separation pay that the Army erroneously paid Loria after he'd returned stateside, as a patient at Walter Reed; $2,204.25 that Loria received for travel expenses from Fort Hood back to Walter Reed for a follow-up visit, after the travel paperwork submitted by Loria never reached the correct desk. And $310 for missing items on his returned equipment inventory list.
ÊÊÊ"There was stuff lost in transportation, others damaged in the accident," Loria said of the day he lost his hand. "When it went up the chain of command, the military denied coverage."
ÊÊÊIncluding taxes, the amount Loria owed totaled $6,255.50. The last line on the worksheet subtracted that total from his final Army payout and found $1,768.81 "due us."
ÊÊÊ"It's nerve-racking," Loria said. "After everything I have done, it's almost like I am being abandoned, like, you did your job for us and now you are no use. That's how it feels."
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ÊÊÊAT HOME in Middletown, yesterday, Loria's wife, Christine, was beside herself.
ÊÊÊ"They want us to sacrifice more," she said, her voice quavering. "My husband has already sacrificed more than he should have to."
ÊÊÊFor weeks now, Christine has been telling her 3-year-old son, Jonathan, that Robbie, who is not his birth father, will be coming home any day now.
ÊÊÊBut the Army has delayed Loria's release at least five times already, she said, leaving a little boy confused and angry.
ÊÊÊ"Rob was supposed to be here on Saturday," she said. "Now is mad at me. How do you explain something you yourself don't understand?"
ÊÊÊChristine said the Department of Veterans Affairs has been helpful in giving Loria guidance about how to get his life back on track, offering vocation rehabilitation to "teach them to go back out in the world with the limitations they have."
ÊÊÊBut the Army brass has been unreceptive, she said.
ÊÊÊThe Lorias also contacted the offices of U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., and Rep. Maurice Hinchey, D-Saugerties. Hinchey's office responded.
ÊÊÊ"There's enough to go on here to call the Army on it and see if it can get worked out," said Hinchey aide Dan Ahouse. "We are expressing to the Pentagon that based on what we see here, we don't see that Mr. Loria is being treated the way we think our veterans returning from Iraq should be treated."
ÊÊÊArmy officials at Fort Hood could not be reached for comment yesterday.
ÊÊÊ"I don't want this to happen to another family," Christine Loria said. "Him being blown up was supposed to be the worst thing, but it wasn't. That the military doesn't care was the worst."
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ÊÊÊThe end of her rope
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ÊÊÊChristine Loria was at the end of her rope earlier this week when she called her wounded husband's commanders at Fort Hood, Texas, and gave them a piece of her mind.
ÊÊÊThe Army was discharging her husband, Robert, after he lost his arm and suffered other severe injuries in Iraq, without even gas money to drive his car home.
ÊÊÊ"I am up here and he's there. That's 1,800 miles away," she said. "I had to call his chain of command and scream at them."
ÊÊÊTheir reaction she said, was "very mature."
ÊÊÊ"If he feels that way, why is his wife talking for him? Why doesn't he come talk to us himself?" she remembers them asking her.
ÊÊÊ"Because on some level, he still respects you," she answered. "I don't have that problem."
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ÊÊÊDianna Cahn
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ÊÊÊWho to call to help
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ÊÊÊOutraged about Army Spc. Robert Loria's plight? Speak your mind. Below are contact numbers for federal legislators and defense officials.
ÊÊÊ U.S. Senate: Hillary Clinton: 202-224-4451; Charles Schumer: 212-486-4430 email
ÊÊÊ U.S. House of Representatives: Maurice Hinchey: 845-344-3211; Sue Kelly: 845-897-5200
ÊÊÊ Secretary of Defense: Donald Rumsfeld: 703-692-7100
ÊÊÊ Fort Hood: Major General James D. Thurman: 254-288-2255 or Fort Hood operator at 254-287-1110; Public Information Officer Jim Whitmeyer: 254-287-0103
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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 04:17 PM
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1. If he can't make it home for Christmas
He's welcome at our house.

Effin' rat bastards. What is most horrifying is how this story is just not unique.
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Jehanatu Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 04:27 PM
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3. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRR!
When I get my chance, I'm gonna give someone a piece of my mind. Fucking dipshit greedy-ass shit-headed bastards.
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omulcol Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 05:16 PM
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12. Jehanatu ... Eloquently said !
I found myself using similar language to this story. :toast:

But reading the posts I was intrigued by the army's reply that they'd try to reimburse MOST of the money to Robert Loria ... not ALL. of it..
What I can't figure out is why the Army make such crazy demands and decisions on their soldiers. Is it an isolated case , or something usually covered up ?

Be interesting to discover the final outcome to this tragic story - and wouldn't hesitate to donate to a fund for the Loria Family at Xmas.


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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 04:25 PM
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2. One of the most gut wrenching things I've read!
:mad: And ole Bushie was just out a couple of days ago asking US to support the troops!! :mad:
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 04:29 PM
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4. Called Sen Clinton, the staffer said she knew about it, and that
the army was now dealing with it.
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Duncan Grant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 04:40 PM
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5. Update (registration required)
http://www.recordonline.com/archive/2004/12/10/dcloriaw.htm

I've never asked this before but does anyone know what the fr**pers are saying about this? As many times as they've exploited the troops to exalt pResident Asshat, they should own this tragedy too.

<snip>
Army takes action on soldier
Family sets up benefit fund

By Dianna Cahn
Times Herald-Record
dcahn@th-record.com



Previous story: He lost an arm in Iraq; the Army wants money

Middletown – Outrage over Army Spc. Robert Loria's struggle to get home after losing his arm in service for his country prompted the Army today to take action.
Responding to pressure from Rep. Maurice Hinchey, D-Saugerties, and U.S. Sen. Charles Schumer, D-NY, the Army said it would release Loria on medical discharge beginning immediately, both men said.
The Army has also agreed to waive most of the debt against Loria and to help him file proper paperwork for the rest of it.
Aides to Hinchey and Schumer said the Army was going to forgive the $2,408 in excess Family Separation allowance the military erroneously paid Loria as well as a $310 charge for equipment issued to Loria that was damaged or lost in the attack in Iraq. And the Army was also going to help Loria refile his travel papers to make sure he does not get saddled with paying back advance travel money used to travel from the base at Fort Hood, Texas, to a follow-up visit to Walter Reed Medical Center in Washington, D.C.
<snip>

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msgadget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 04:49 PM
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6. Proof that a phone number is a very useful thing.
Now I hope the rest of his paperwork proceeds smoothly and that the 'allowances' they're making don't come at the expense of him being able to speak freely about it again.
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 04:52 PM
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7. Loria should bill those twisted motherfuckers for his arm
...say he "erroneously allocated a limb to Iraq," and wants to be reimbursed for its future use value.

Then, when they refuse to pay, he can graciously "waive" the charges.
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Bethany Rockafella Donating Member (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 04:57 PM
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8. I just love this paragraph:
>>If he feels that way, why is his wife talking for him? Why doesn't he come talk to us himself?" she remembers them asking her. "Because on some level, he still respects you," she answered. "I don't have that problem."
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Get a clue, idiots!
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CityZen-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 05:02 PM
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9. How Many More Times
do we need to realize that we have to overthrow this Faustian government by any means possible, up and to physical graffiti in the form of violent revolution.
When will it be enough, as in enough. When your family will be exterminated for the good of the Republic!?
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 05:03 PM
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10. Per DU copyright rules
Please limit quotations to 4 paragraphs and a link to the original. Thank you.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 05:15 PM
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11. Got outrage?
This is happening to thousands of soldiers right now.

All of them fodder in Team Bush canon.

I'm sure an investigation would reveal a large percentage of injured veterans being billed, dunned, and sued (by eeevil trial lawyers) for medical treatment.

I guess this is the new, Jeebus-approved, Republican version of "personal responsibility".

--p!
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nosmokes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 05:28 PM
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13. "I know he's coming home but I know how powerful the military is"
another update from newsday
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original
Lawmakers help wounded soldier get home after dispute with Army

By DEVLIN BARRETT
Associated Press Writer

December 10, 2004, 4:23 PM EST

WASHINGTON -- Specialist Robert Loria of Middletown lost his arm in Iraq, but instead of a farewell paycheck from the U.S. Army he got a bill for nearly $1,800.
On Friday a platoon of New York lawmakers came to his rescue.
Loria found himself stuck in Fort Hood Texas this week when Army officials claimed he owed them money for travel expenses to a hospital and lost equipment.
Several lawmakers _ Rep. Maurice Hinchey and Senators Charles Schumer and Hillary Rodham Clinton _ interceded on behalf of the 27-year-old veteran after his irate wife, Christine Loria, told the Times-Herald Record of Middletown about the problem.
~snip~
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"I just want him out of there. I'm relieved that I know he's coming home but I know how powerful the military is and I'm just so very, very nervous until he is actually home," she said.
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complete article at original
Copyright © 2004, The Associated Press
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