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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 03:08 PM
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Tree Marking Underground Railroad Cut Down
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&ncid=519&e=2&u=/ap/20041214/ap_on_re_us/underground_railroad_tree

A 300-year-old sycamore that served as a marker on the Underground Railroad and a meeting place for abolitionists including Frederick Douglass has been cut down after city officials said it was too badly damaged to save.

The remains of "The Liberty Tree" were fed into a chipper Monday despite the efforts of residents who had tried to win National Historic Register status for the tree and build a park and museum around it.

"I am just so disappointed that this tree, an object that referenced, revered, and celebrated runaway slaves and freedom seekers, has to come to this ignoble end," said resident Dwight Miller. "It's a shame."

Brockton Mayor John Yunits said he had to put public safety ahead of sentiment.
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 03:15 PM
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1. Metaphor for our times: Liberty Tree fed into the chipper
Oh well, it was fun well it lasted. As the New World Order of Opression takes hold, there will be more underground railroads and new Liberty Trees to mark them, in Canada and Europe and Mexico and Japan and New Zealand and...
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november3rd Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 04:14 PM
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10. If enough of us
If enough gets into the chipper, it'll overload and break down.
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ally_sc Donating Member (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 06:13 PM
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21. yeah..everyone trying to get the hell out
of this facist nation. looking to inhabit other places where it's people came to us for freedom...didn't janis sing "freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose.."
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 03:23 PM
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2. "As the Liberty Tree goes, so goes the Nation"
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 03:32 PM
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3. Typical Northerners
Come on guys - by the way the title is a joke - if the same tree had been cut down in Georgia all of ya'll would be bitchin' about how we are still rascist and nothing has changed.
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GarySeven Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 03:36 PM
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4. You are RIGHT, sir
I'm only surprised the Yankees didn't turn the tree into souvenirs and sell them on e-Bay.
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jukes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 04:07 PM
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9. racism is repugnant
in any locale.

and nothing *has* changed.
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illflem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 03:38 PM
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5. 300 years is a very old age for a sycamore
most only last 150...
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grilled onions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 03:43 PM
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6. They could have sold it by the piece...
to keep on "educating" others about that time in history and all proceeds could have gone to education in the form of a scholarship or something. If people are willing to buy ash from Mt. St. Helen or other historical events why not this? Once again they are in a big hurry to tear down history.
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Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 08:03 PM
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28. Argggghhhhh!!!!
Why is it that they send in wood chippers immediately? When a tornado downed most of the old trees on the campus of Gustavus Adolphus college a few years back, I called down to the campus as soon as I could get through to suggest that the make something, anything out of the wood.

I was going to tell them that whatever they made, alumni would buy it, raising money for repairs, maybe some work for citizens of St. Peter, etc. I was told that it was a good idea, but all the trees were already chipped up.
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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 03:46 PM
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7. The commericals on The History Channel with Laura Bush...
urging Americans to preserve our history...

:puke:
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GarySeven Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:26 PM
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32. maybe the person Laura Bush KILLED
would like to be alive today and enjoying some history, starting with their own.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 03:57 PM
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8. So plant another tree
Nothing lives forever. Sheesh. If the tree was diseased and dying, and its continued presence was only going to spread further arboreal illness, cut it down, feed it into the chipper and PLANT ANOTHER TREE.

Not that difficult an issue, if you ask me. Which, for the record, I note that nobody did. Ask me, that is.
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Habibi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 07:23 PM
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26. Yup, I think so too
Have a beautiful marker made, with the history of that spot of land. Plant another tree. The spirit isn't gone just because the hardwood is.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 04:55 PM
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11. Besides, as Reagan told us, trees pollute. NT
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 05:38 PM
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14. Did he really say that?
I never realized he was that much of a shithead.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 05:48 PM
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15. He sure did!
He said it on multiple occasions too:

http://www.allhatnocattle.net/reagan%20quotes.htm

"Trees cause more pollution than automobiles do." -- Ronald Reagan, 1981
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 06:49 PM
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24. Great website!
Thanks! :beer:
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:02 PM
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31. Yes he did but he was too chicken hearted to actually test his assertion
by enclosing himself in a room with a running car while someone else sat in a room with a couple of those polluting trees.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 04:57 PM
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12. maybe plant a tree that can live for 1000 years next time?
300 years seems pretty good for a sycamore, to me.

a nice stone monument might be nice, too.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 05:19 PM
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13. I wonder if anyone thought to harvest a few of its seeds.
Or would that be arboreal masturbation and therefor prohibited by radical religious law?
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 06:13 PM
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20. Someone in the area
MUST have seeds or offspring.
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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 07:19 PM
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25. As stated in the article...
Clones of the tree have been planted in other parts of the suburban Boston town, including at the Brockton Historical Society, Yunits said
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newscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 06:00 PM
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16. Too bad
That was in my hometown too!

Sometimes a tree's gotta go.

Remember the Charter Oak?
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 06:05 PM
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19. The Wye Oak in Maryland, too.
Hit by a storm. Too damaged to save.

When I was a kid there was an oak a block from my hose that was reputed to be over 600 years old. It, too, died in a storm. Lightening hit it (sounded like a nuclear blast to e cuz I was a kid!), split it at the bottom of the main trunk and both halves toppled of their own weight. I remember crying.
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 06:02 PM
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17. Kind of like * is doing to the Constitution, shredding it.
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Tangledog Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 06:05 PM
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18. A little farther down...
A 2,000 pound branch crashed into an adjacent parking lot two weeks ago during a wind storm and three arborists had determined it was rotting from the inside.

Sad, but perhaps understandable under these circumstances. I have to admit that even a good-hearted Yankee like me would be thinking less about Frederick Douglass and more about my hide if it was heading for my windshield.



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PlanetBev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 06:24 PM
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22. The Lange Oak in Encino, CA
It toppled over from too many earthquakes and floods and some idiot who tried to poison it. The tree surgeon said the growth rings were a thousand years old. People bought condos on the street for the view of the mighty oak. Now they have a view of the back of a Starbucks.

Bummer...
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montana_hazeleyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 06:31 PM
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23. Liberty in the chipper,
democracy down the crapper.
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 07:43 PM
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27. make something out of the wood!
My hometown made a ceremonial table out of a centuries-old elm that finally gave up the ghost after being attacked by insects (and a hurricane). They used a section that wasn't too badly rotted, so it's possible to count some of the rings.

I'm glad that they took cuttings (I assume that's what they mean by "clones"). That, or tissue culturing, can ensure the tree's DNA survives. (They're attempting this with "The Golden Spruce", a Canadian landmark that was felled a few years ago ... for reasons quite different from the sycamore, unfortunately.)


http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?021104fa_fact

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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 11:56 AM
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30. that's a great idea
n/t
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Freebird12004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 11:47 AM
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29. it's Never Too Late
another sapling should be planted in-place of that grand old tree - which clearly marked the spirit and the will to be free .... and the compassion of those, who would honor that spirit-wish.
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