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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 06:35 PM
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Iraq "war" cost passes 100 BILLION....CBS eve. news...no link yet sorry
and ANOTHER 100B will be needed next year. Tax cuts, anybody?
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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 06:37 PM
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1. What could $100B buy?
:shrug:
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 06:44 PM
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3. Let's see................
Food for some hungry people, reparations in Iraq, health insurance for millions...........naw, that would be spending our tax money on good things and BushCo couldn't have that.

left of cool
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radar Donating Member (447 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 06:44 PM
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4. Center For American Progress...
...Made a list...
http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=171438

The Opportunity Costs of the Iraq War

August 25, 2004

The Iraq war continues to be a drain on the American taxpayers' pocketbooks. So far, the war has cost the United States $144.4 billion, including $25 billion in the administration's FY05 defense budget signed into law earlier this month. An additional $60 billion is expected in a supplemental request after the November elections. According to the Defense Department, the cost of containing Saddam Hussein over 12 years was only $30 billion.

While no one disputes the evil and oppressive nature of Saddam Hussein's regime, as the 9/11 Commission made clear in its final report, Iraq was not involved in the planning or execution of the September 11 attacks and did not have a "collaborative operational relationship," according to its final report. The September 11 attacks necessitated an increase in homeland security funding – the administration's request for the coming fiscal year is $47.5 billion. However, according to the Center for American Progress, many homeland security priorities are presently under-funded or unfunded – port security, airline cargo screening and community policing programs.

More could be done to better secure or eliminate nuclear weapons, material and technology to prevent terrorists from developing and exploding nuclear or dirty bombs. While progress is being made in Afghanistan, increased aid faster will give democracy its best chance of taking hold and help eliminate the flourishing drug trade in Afghanistan that funds global terrorist activities. Operations in Iraq and Afghanistan have taken their toll on our troops. A larger Army and more special operations forces would take some of the current strain off the National Guard and reserves and improve the military's ability to eliminate actual terrorist safe havens in the future. These are just a few proposals that would have represented a better investment in America's security than the $144.4 billion Iraq "war of choice."

The question lingers: Could the $144.4 billion spent on Iraq been better used to protect the American people from terrorist threats? The Center for American Progress offers this answer.

$7.5 billion to safeguard our ports. The Coast Guard estimates that $7.5 billion is needed over 10 years to implement the requirements of the 2002 Maritime Transportation Security Act, which aims to protect America's ports and waterways from a terrorist attack. Since 9/11, the federal government has allocated less than $500 million to counter this threat.
$4 billion to expedite upgrading the Coast Guard fleet. This investment over the next five years would cut in half the 20-year timetable for replacing and upgrading the Coast Guard's fleet of cutters, patrol aircraft, and communications equipment.
$2 billion to improve cargo security. This would help cover costs associated with the Cargo Security Initiative, which deploys customs inspectors to ports around the world to screen cargo before it goes to the United States.
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$10 billion to protect all U.S. commercial airliners from shoulder-fired missiles. These systems, based on existing military technology, would help reduce the danger from the estimated 100,000 shoulder-fired missiles circulating in the world's black markets.
$5 billion to purchase state-of-the-art baggage screening machines. This would fulfill the Congressional mandate to install in all commercial airports new systems that integrate baggage screening and baggage handling. Only eight of the nation's 440 airports have the new machines, and the administration has requested only $250 million for equipment this year.
$240 million to equip the airports with walk-through explosive detectors. According to the 9/11 commission, it's still too easy for passengers with hidden explosives to make it through airport security.
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$7 billion to put 100,000 police officers the nation's streets. $7 billion would fully fund for five years the 1996 Community Oriented Policing Services program, which was designed to put 100,000 new community police officers on America's streets. The administration has cut the funding for the program to $97 million in the proposed FY05 budget.
$2.5 billion to increase funding for fire departments. This would double the size of the Assistance to Firefighters Grant Program for each of the next five years. President Bush requested only $500 million for FY05, a drop from $750 million in FY04. Money from the program goes for trucks, protective clothing, hoses, and other equipment.
$350 million for integrating emergency radio systems nationwide. Equipment to patch together existing police, fire, and other public safety radio systems throughout the country would cost $350 million.
$3 billion to secure major roads and rails. $3 billion would secure all the major roads and railways in the nation's largest metropolitan areas. Improving surveillance, training railway workers, and developing new explosive detection equipment would increase passenger safety. The administration has focused its funding on aviation security, but has provided less than $200 million in last year's budget.
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$30.5 billion to secure from theft the world's nuclear weapons-grade material. Securing the world's fissile material would enormously reduce the chance that lethal weapons-grade material could be made into nuclear and radiological weapons. A 10-year $30 billion program would ensure material security and weapon dismantlement in the former Soviet Union. Another $500 million would fund a "global cleanout program," aimed at removing dangerous nuclear materials from the most vulnerable nuclear sites worldwide.
$2.25 billion to expedite the work of the Nunn-Lugar Threat Reduction program. Doubling this program's budget each year for the next five years would accelerate Nunn-Lugar, which has helped deactivate over 6,000 nuclear warheads in the former Soviet Union and the United States. The FY04 Defense budget provided only $450 million for the program.
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$24 billion to add two divisions to the Army. With commitments in Iraq and Afghanistan, the U.S. Army is increasingly stretched thin. Two additional divisions could be added to the Army over the next five years at a cost of $4.8 billion a year. A larger army would help take the pressure off America's overtapped National Guardsmen and Reservists.
$15.5 billion to double the number of active-duty troops in the Special Operations Forces. The United States has roughly 25,000 Special Operations Forces. These elite military fighting units played a critical role in Afghanistan and continue to be highly effective in tracking down terrorists. Doubling the 25,000 troops in the Special Operations Forces would cost $7 billion and an additional $8.5 billion would help maintain the new forces over the next five years.
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$8.6 billion to rebuild Afghanistan. The government of Afghanistan has said it needs $27.6 billion for reconstruction activities over the next seven years such as rebuilding infrastructure, education, health, and disarmament programs. The country has received to date only $2.9 billion of the $19 billion pledged by the international community. $8.6 billion over the next seven years would make up this shortfall and help Afghanistan from reverting to a haven for terrorists.
$11 billion to buy Afghanistan's opium crop. Afghanistan's illicit opium drug trade brings in a profit of $2.3 billion each year, much of which goes to fund terrorist activities. A five-year program to buy Afghanistan's opium crop would provide initial and continuing funding for farmers to permanently shift from growing opium to cultivating other crops or starting microenterprises.
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$10 billion to increase U.S. development assistance to the neediest countries. The current foreign assistance budget is $19.27 billion, including foreign military funding and the State Department's operating budget. $13.8 billion goes to countries other than Israel, Egypt, Jordan, and Pakistan. Increasing the non-military development assistance budget by $10 billion over the next five years to countries other than Israel, Egypt, Jordan, and Pakistan, would help improve economic opportunities, health care, and education worldwide.
$775 million to dramatically increase public diplomacy. $775 million would quadruple America's public diplomacy efforts in the Arab and Muslim world, as well as triple funding for the National Endowment for Democracy, each year for the next five years. The United States could use this funding to build bridges in Arab and Muslim communities and nations.
Michael Pan, P.J. Crowley, Amanda Terkel, and Robert O. Boorstin all contributed to this report.

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Sources:

$144.4 billion for the Iraq War: "Iraq Costs At $119.4 Billion -- And Rising," Miami Herald, June 2, 2004. In addition, the Administration signed into law an additional $25 billion for Iraq in the FY05 Defense budget.

$2.5 billion per year to contain Saddam Hussein: "Deputy Secretary Paul Wolfowitz Interview with England Cable News," March 23, 2003. Wolfowitz stated that it cost the United States roughly $30 billion for twelve years to contain Saddam Hussein before the Iraq War.

$30.5 billion to secure from theft the world's nuclear weapons-grade material: "A Report Card on the Department of Energy's Nonproliferation Programs With Russia," Baker-Cutler Commission, January 10, 2001, Secretary of Energy Advisory Board, U.S. Department of Energy. The Commission estimates $3 billion per year for the next ten years for fissile material security and disposition in Russian and the NIS. "Controlling Nuclear Warheads and Materials: A Report Card and Action Plan," Matthew Bunn, Anthony Wier, and John P. Holdren, Nuclear Threat Initiative and the Project on Managing the Atom, Harvard University, March 2003. The report estimates that $50 million per year for "several years" would restructure and expedite the "global cleanout" program, removing the dangerous nuclear materials from sensitive sites worldwide. Funding this for the next ten years would cost $500 million.

$24 billion to add two divisions to the Army: "Six Steps to a Safer America," by Lawrence Korb, Center for American Progress, January 29, 2004. The report estimates the cost of adding two divisions at $4.8 billion per year ($1.2 billion for additional 10,000 troops).

$15.5 billion to double the number of active-duty troops in the Special Operations Forces: "U.S. Operations Forces (SOF): Background and Issues for Congress," Congressional Research Service, August 15, 2003. The report notes that there is a total of roughly 47,000 SOF units, in addition to the FY03 request for 2,653. The FY03 request for SOF was $6.7 billion.

$11 billion to buy Afghanistan's opium crop: "Afghanistan, the other war," Houston Chronicle, June 20, 2004. The report notes that in 2003, Afghan drug farmers and traffickers earned a profit of $2.3 billion.

$10 billion to protect commercial airplanes from shoulder-fired missiles. "Missile Defenses for U.S. Airliners Are Within Reach, Contractors Insist," Caitlin Harrington, Congressional Quarterly, November 13, 2003. According to Representative John Mica, chairman of the House Transportation Aviation Subcommittee, equipping every plane in the U.S. commercial fleet with missile defense systems could cost between $6 billion and $10 billion.

$10 billion to dramatically increase U.S. development assistance to the neediest countries. "Foreign Aid: An Introductory Overview of U.S. Programs and Policy," Congressional Research Service, April 15, 2004. According to the report, out of a total of $19.27 billion in FY04 foreign aid, $5.44 billion went to Israel, Egypt, Jordan, and Pakistan. Foreign military funding made up 23.2% of the budget.

$8.6 billion to rebuild Afghanistan: "Building a New Afghanistan: The Value of Success, the Cost of Failure," Center on International Cooperation, March 2004. The report notes that $7 billion had been pledged, before the March-April 2004 Berlin conference, and $2.9 had been disbursed. The report can be found at: http://www.cic.nyu.edu/pdf/Building.pdf. "Miles to go in Afghanistan," Center for Strategic and International Studies, April 2004. At the Berlin conference from March 31-April 1, 2004, Aghan president Hamid Karzai requested $27.6 billion over the next seven years to cover the cost of essential reconstruction in Afghanistan. This report also states that an additional $12 billion was pledged by the international community. The report can be found at: http://csis.org/isp/pcr/0404_milestogo.pdf.

$7.5 billion to safeguard our ports: "New Security Efforts Lagging at Some Ports," Los Angeles Times, June 30, 2004. According to the article, "the Coast Guard put the total cost for implementing the regulations laid out by Congress in the 2002 Maritime Transportation Security Act at $7.5 billion over 10 years."

$7 billion to put 100,000 police officers on the nation's streets: "The Community Oriented Policing Services (COPS) Program: An Overview," Congressional Research Service, April 6, 2003. President Clinton initiated the COPS program and funded it at $1.4 billion per year from 1996 to 1999.

$5 billion to purchase state-of-the-art baggage screening machines. "Airport meets plans for bomb screening," The Manchester Union Leader, July 23, 2004. The cost for installing integrated systems into the nation's airports is estimated at $5 billion. The Bush administration is requesting only $250 million this year for the equipment.

$4 billion to expedite modernization of the Coast Guard. "Coast Guard Fleet Upgrades Need Big Cash Anchor, Senators Tell White House," Jeremy Torobin, Congressional Quarterly, November 14, 2003.

$3 billion to secure major roads and rails: Winning the War on Terror, House Select Homeland Security Committee, Democratic Staff, April 23, 2004, page 38. The report concludes that providing a baseline of passenger security to the nation's top 50 metropolitan areas would cost $2 billion. The report can be found at: http://www.house.gov/hsc/democrats/pdf/press/report2/
WinningtheWaronTerror.pdf.

$2.5 billion to increase funding for fire departments. "Fire Grant Reauthorization would triple funding for big-city departments," Congressional Quarterly, May 13, 2004. President Bush requested $500 million in FY05 for the program, a drop from the $750 million in FY04.

$2.25 billion to expedite the work of the Nunn-Lugar Threat Reduction program. According to Public Law 108-87, the FY04 Defense budget, provides $450 million requested for the Nunn-Lugar threat reduction program.

$2 billion to improve cargo security: "Testimony of Michael O'Hanlon before the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee," March 20, 2003. According to O'Hanlon, an additional $1 billion to $2 billion is needed for inspecting cargo in the United States. His testimony can be found at: http://www.senate.gov/~gov_affairs/032003ohanlon.htm.

$775 million for fighting the war of ideas. Winning the War on Terror, House Select Homeland Security Committee, Democratic Staff, April 23, 2004, pages 25 and 55. Estimates tripling the budget for NED to cost $80 million and cites the current budget for public diplomacy toward the Arab and Muslim world at $25 billion a year.

$350 million for integrating emergency radio systems nationwide. "Price Tag for Emergency Radio Integration is $350 million, Says a Raytheon Chief," Alice Lipowicz, Congressional Quarterly, April 20, 2004.

$240 million to equip airports with walk-through explosive detectors. "9/11 Panel Urges Firmer Security Grip," Richardo Alonso-Zaldivar, Los Angeles Times, July 29, 2004.

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Brundle_Fly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 06:50 PM
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8. 100,000,000,000
could feed the world for 3 years plus.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 06:42 PM
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2. Weird. In August the New York Times reported $144 billion had been spent.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 06:49 PM
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6. Well, the U.S. dollar has depreciated
Maybe they went back and recalculated. Sure, it seemed like $144 billion then, but nowadays that would only be worth $100 billion in Euros...:shrug:
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 06:49 PM
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7. So I'm seeing from the thread...maybe they weren't counting the allo-
cation for next year...dunno...
:eyes:
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 06:54 PM
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10. Maybe they've started counting backwards
like they do with the dead.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 07:47 PM
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14. Or Black Box Voting machines.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 08:33 PM
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16. Noticed that too, eh?
I've been trying to keep track of the figures on spending for the war in Iraq. It's tough. The figures keep moving, sort of like quicksand.

They're all lying. It's probably much more than they're letting on.

We're going broke, and there's not a thing we can do about it. The only thing that will stop the Bush Boys is when we run out of money. And not a minute before. So - we'll be through fighting, and we'll be out of money.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 06:47 PM
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5. See what the war cost your community at this fine website
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 06:54 PM
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9. Thanks, I had forgotten that one, lost the boomark a while back.
:D
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 06:58 PM
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11.  Today's A,merican Progress Report--THE $230 BILLION WAR:
I posted this earlier today on another thread---


...................

I think this was close to the amount that Kerry said it would cost by early next year--for which Bush BLASTED him for!!!!! This is part of the post election "drip, drip, drip"


BUDGET – THE $230 BILLION WAR: The Wall Street journal reports that "Pentagon officials...will ask the Bush administration for an additional $80 billion in emergency funding to help pay costs of the military presence in Iraq and Afghanistan." That request would push "the total military costs, since the Iraq war began, to well over $230 billion." The additional funding "comes on top of $25 billion that Congress approved in August to help tide the Pentagon over until it could make a larger supplemental request."........more......
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 07:10 PM
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12. yes, $230B and counting
Edited on Tue Dec-14-04 07:19 PM by dweller
and as noted today on Ed Schultz, during the debates when the VPs were on, Edwards used a $200B figure, and Crashcart said it wasn't that high, more like $140B...

guess he was lieing after all.

what, me suprised?

dp
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Mike Niendorff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 08:07 PM
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15. Hell, Cheney can tell whatever lies he likes.

I mean, it's not like the domestic press will call him on it.


MDN

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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:56 PM
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18. and we are still waiting on the faith based press to join the real world
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 07:25 PM
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13. U.S.: Show of Cuban Military a Diversion
Edited on Tue Dec-14-04 07:27 PM by rainbow4321
Ok..so how does THIS differ from shrub using the Iraq war as a diversion to everything going wrong in THIS country...Pot. Kettle. Black.
And, yeah, the Cubans probably see chimps' crayon-writing on the wall---invade Cuba next....


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=542&ncid=1276&e=6&u=/ap/20041213/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_cuba


Large-scale exercises by the Cuban military are an attempt by Fidel Castro's government to distract people from the hardships of their lives, the State Department said Monday.


Defense Minister Raul Castro said last week the exercises are designed to deter the United States from attacking the island.

State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said the United States repeatedly has urged Cuba to begin a peaceful transition to democracy.

"We think that's what the Cuban people deserve, and we think they deserve it in a peaceful fashion," Boucher said.

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rawstory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 08:47 PM
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17. LINK?
thanks!
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:07 PM
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19. I researched this last summer.
In June of last year, it was reported that war costs had already cost around $120 billion. During the early years of Bush's administration, Larry Lindsay estimated that the war would cost $200 billion. Bush fired Lindsay shortly after that estimate was made.
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