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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 11:14 PM
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NYT: In Kerik, Bush Saw Values Crucial to Post-9/11 World
By ELISABETH BUMILLER

WASHINGTON, Dec. 18 - President Bush first met Bernard B. Kerik near the smoking ruins of the World Trade Center on Sept. 14, 2001, a day that instantly changed Mr. Bush's relationship with a city he had never much liked.

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"The president loves cops," said a Republican close to the White House who insisted on anonymity because he did not want the president and his advisers to know he was talking about the collapse of a cabinet nomination. "They're not pretentious, they do a hard job, they don't get paid a lot of money, they're real people and they live in a world that is fairly black and white, with good guys and bad guys. And that's the way President Bush looks at the world."

White House officials did not say how often Mr. Bush saw Mr. Kerik after their first meeting in 2001, but neither man seems to have forgotten the emotion of the day.

"The greatest president we've ever had," Mr. Kerik said at a veterans' breakfast at the Seventh Regiment Armory in Manhattan on Nov. 11, 2001, when Mr. Bush embraced him.

Mr. Bush was especially grateful, White House officials said, that Mr. Kerik agreed to train a police force in Iraq in the summer of 2003 and then campaigned extensively for the president's re-election this fall. As a symbol of Sept. 11, Mr. Kerik had that "9/11 glow," the Republican close to the White House said, and was critical to a re-election campaign based on national security.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/19/politics/19kerik.html?oref=login
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 11:19 PM
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1. Such as his being a made man? Ties to the mob = homeland security?
bush is such a total failure of a man.
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 11:20 PM
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2. Values like possible mob connections, adultery, , tax evasion-yay values!
Edited on Sat Dec-18-04 11:20 PM by tjdee
Bush, Bush, Bush.

:eyes:
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GainesT1958 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 11:23 PM
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8. Dub liked the way Kerik constantly gamed the system...
Kind of reminded him of himself, I guess!:eyes:

B-)
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 11:20 PM
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3. bush doesn't have that vision
thing..bush sees a goon and wants them around him.

Name one good person bush has lapping anywhere near him?
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 11:20 PM
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4. Kerik was an obvious prop to me. This Admin. is a disaster that gets
graded on a curve like a dumb highs chool class. So sick of the free pass this Admin. gets. Sometimes I am overcome with an indescribeable dread and it all seems so clear that the U.S. will keep feeelingmore and more surreal skitzo, nasty, violent, big brotherish, indifferent, brazil/biffworld /bizarro world for a long time and that we'll be digging out of this mess for years to come even if the Pres. was impeached tommorrow. Me, a usually happy go lucky guy is bummed.
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Algomas Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 01:54 AM
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23. Same here H...
I feel the pressure from The Man more every day. I look around at the 50% that support the theft of their own freedom and I am grieving inside. I feel the exits slowly closing and and can almost hear bullhorns and the cadence of riot batons smacking plexishields. I live in Tucson and regularly see Air Force fighters practicing overhead. When I look at them now, as they buzz the city, I see them from the perspective of Fallujah. The horror of it, the obscenity of it...is overpowering. America has become a spiritually polluted environment. The majority in support of the evil done in their names are either fearful, ignorant or weak. I can now see, that the day may come when it is time to leave. I travel in Mexico as often as possible. The physical and spiritual relief from escaping the toxic drug of America is very liberating. Mexico is a place that really does have strong 'family values'.
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 09:27 AM
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25. Good people everywhere are worried. The idea of Tuscon transformed
into Fallujah can happen in the blink of an eye. Bush's most telling words were when he said (being interviewd) Why do I care how I'm remembered?... I'll be dead." With that kind of attitude....

Gotta say though, the internet has put me in touch with more decent folks than I have met in years. If the internet has done one thing, it has turned millions into readers and writers -- both good introspetive, spiritual processes.
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tibbiit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 09:40 AM
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26. Actually he said WE"LL ALL be DEAD
or some such bs.
tib
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 09:50 AM
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27. Are we reading the same post?
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 11:21 PM
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5. Ugh, nauseating
It's clear that Bush saw in Kerik a kindred spirit, someone who is full to the brim with BS and who thinks the rules never apply to him.

I need to go throw up now. :puke:
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 11:21 PM
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6. Too bad the 9/11 "glow"
turned out to be radioactivity.
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vixengrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 11:23 PM
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7. Are any of us really sure what "values" mean when Bush speaks?
The greatest president we've ever had," Mr. Kerik said at a veterans' breakfast at the Seventh Regiment Armory in Manhattan on Nov. 11, 2001, when Mr. Bush embraced him.

Here, it appears to mean: ability to suck up and look bad-ass. Oh, and 9/11.

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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 11:24 PM
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9. Kerik is a fascist's facist.
Edited on Sat Dec-18-04 11:29 PM by Old and In the Way
I'm sure Bush wanted someone who could convey the need for unswerving loyalty to the Maximum Leader and the Fatherland...I mean Homeland.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 11:54 PM
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13. Yes, "a fascist's fascist."
Bush wants someone who has no "moral" dilemma when it comes to torturing American dissidents.

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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 12:01 AM
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14. I was just going to say the same thing....
...someone willing to kill & ignore the Geneva conventions...

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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 12:16 AM
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17. Like Alberto Gonzales
:hi:
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 09:58 AM
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29. Hey S Rat-- Nice Poster
The Gonorrhea Girl yikes
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 06:29 PM
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33. LOL!
"The Gonorrhea Girl" - Double yikes! :D

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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 11:42 PM
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10. ELISABETH BUMILLER is such a hack
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checks-n-balances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 11:42 PM
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11. What a bizarre statement - that
"Mr. Kerik had that '9/11 glow'" - how bizarre!

For an administration that seems to rely mostly on visceral images, faith vs. facts, and creating its own reality, I guess that's really not so surprising.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 11:46 PM
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12. more likely the "glow" was from screwing women in that apartment
overlooking the remains of the WTC towers
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 09:17 PM
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34. * wanted Kerik to spank him and then have some serious pony play.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 12:05 AM
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15. WHAT "values"? They assault civil and human and democratic values.
So,...WTF "values" are they really talking about?
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 12:06 AM
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16. If he likes cops, why is he cutting their budget?
More double speak.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 12:17 AM
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18. "the greatest president we've ever had"??? kerik is one sick f###. this
is the worst thing about him, in my estimation, that he loves bush so much after being such a crude schnook. just goes to show you what kind of people love bush.
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drdtroit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 12:38 AM
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19. "Bush Saw Values Crucial to Post-9/11 World"
The ability to pathologically lie unabashedly!
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 12:39 AM
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20. That "post-911" terminology makes me want to puke
Edited on Sun Dec-19-04 12:42 AM by Skip Intro
I'm not fucking defined by 9*11.

And neither is America.

These slimy little cowardly worms that slither around us, staining all they touch, perveting things held precious, can go the fuck to hell.

yeah, that means you bush, and you, imposter patriots and lurking morans.

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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 01:10 AM
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21. the pRESIDENT loves a GOON-KERICK WAS/IS A GOON-BUSH IS TOO!
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 01:16 AM
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22. Why would I not be surpised to one day see a photo OR evidence of...
a Bush/Kerik meeting PRIOR to 9/11.

It's interesting that the media is now clarifying that the two first met AFTER 9/11. Okay...
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 02:02 AM
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24. Kerik is an a$$-kissing, shameless sycophant
"The greatest president we've ever had", Kerik said of Bush.

Who knows what groveling flattery he's inundated Giuliani with. Giuliani probably loves it.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 09:54 AM
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28. If you value corrupt greedy bastards
then Kerik is definitely W's kind of man.

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fryguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 10:08 AM
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30. maybe * saw similarities in himself in kerik
but, unlike *, kerik didn't have a multi-million dollar family to coddle him through yale and harvard.... instead, kerik dropped out of high school in 1972 and didn't get his college diploma until 2002 when he received it from empire state college (a corrospondence school)....
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 10:25 AM
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31. ..... rotten apples to the core!
The bond between the president Mr. Kerik was a major factor, Republicans say, in Mr. Bush's decision to nominate Mr. Kerik for homeland security secretary. Although no one has suggested that the relationship was close, Republicans called it warm and based on equal parts self-interest and admiration.

Mr. Bush often saw Mr. Kerik with former Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani, who named Mr. Kerik police commissioner and is now in business with him. But White House officials went to some lengths last week to say that Mr. Bush had acted on his own instincts in nominating Mr. Kerik and had not acted simply on the recommendation of Mr. Giuliani.

What business are these two clowns in?
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zwielicht Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 09:38 PM
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35. well, these 2 cloWns make millions in "consulting"- for agency contractors
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priller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 10:35 AM
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32. Bush's "gut instinct" fails him again
Bushie is famous for not relying on his intellect but going with his "gut instinct" on things, which he considers more reliable. But he has a pretty poor record with his instinct, too. I'm thinking Putin (peered into his soul), Saddam (he has to have WMD, 'cause he's a bad man), and now Kerik.

The other problem is that no one in the WH, evidently, gave Kerik a good look before announcing his name. Then, when it became immediately obvious he wasn't going to pass muster, they came up with the phoney "nanny problem". Both incompetence AND mendacity!
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 03:51 PM
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36. how has his relationship to NYC changed?
My friends who live there have not reported seeing him in the street, chatting up the locals and supporting the local businesses. How long did he actually spend in the city during the GOP convention? Seems to me that he didn't even want to overnight there in one of the many fine hotels. Aside from making that crack about not knowing that New Yorkers could wave "with all their fingers", when has he ever made an effort to reach out? Let alone try to provide actual support to the people who are ill from the asbestos etc. that his administration lied about.

He will use the tragedy for his own political gain, but he does NOT love New York!
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 03:56 PM
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37. Kerik was a Rovian setup
IMHO the entire admin knew exactly what Kerik was including BushCo. The problem is, they need to get rid of Ghouliani so he won't be in McCain's way in 2008. If you don't have enough dirt on someone, ya do the next best thing........go after his buddy ie Kerik.

Left of Cool
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 10:25 PM
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38. Kicking For The Implicit Irony Of The Headline
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Oldpals Donating Member (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 10:41 PM
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39. The NYT Kerik article
really irks me a I read it. This mantra put forth throughout the election period of the country being safer in this administrations hands and more secure yet the issue that the attacks occurred on their watch was never exposed. What were the advisers to Kerry thinking? If Clinton were in office the Republicans would have had a field day.
Hell, they are still bitching over a stained dress yet choose what they believe to be moral. Look at this guys record and he was a step away from confirmation.
I believe that the reason they are allowing the heat to continue on this guy is because it deflects away from the complete failure to vet the man. Why are there no questions being asked as to how he was nominated in the first place. This is a government totally revolving around continued political dominance and not actual governing. I am fed up.
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