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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-03 11:11 PM
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No more fudges - A WMD inquiry is imperative now
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/leaders/story/0,6903,997145,00.html

We live in the era of pre-emptive warfare. The build-up to the most recent Gulf war demonstrated a widespread acceptance of the need to anticipate the threat posed by weapons of mass destruction, and challenge those who have access to them and may deploy them. In such circumstances, the accuracy of the intelligence informing such decisions becomes critical.


We must be convinced that the information on which our governments go to war is impartially gathered and impartially presented before the lives of combatants and civilians are put at risk.

Were those standards of proof met before war was launched against Iraq? Or were we simply fed misinformation, exaggeration and half-truth over Iraq's weapons of mass destruction? A worrying picture is emerging. We have seen no evidence of the aluminium tubes which we were told Saddam could use for uranium-enrichment. We have seen no evidence of the fleet of mobile-weapons labs; only two sorry-looking trucks whose use has yet to be established.

We have seen no evidence of Saddam's alleged capacity to deploy WMD within 45 minutes. Now, there are serious questions over claims that Iraq was attempting to buy uranium in Niger, a claim central to the Government's original case that his weapons of mass destruction represented a threat to world security.

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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-03 09:43 PM
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1. if we can't have fudges -
can we get some banana-republic splits?
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-03 10:45 PM
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9. Beautiful. (nt)
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dfong63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-03 09:53 PM
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2. this one incident is a perfect example
of why the rightwing's theory of pre-emptive war is wrong. facts turn out to be false. leaders lie, or at best were misled. right off the bat, the US's first, precedent-setting "pre-emptive war" has turned out to be a complete farce.
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guajira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-03 09:55 PM
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3. Is it Possible to Have an Inquiry That Doesn't Favor B* ??
Why can't Dems do our own inquiries and prove once and for all what a liar he is??

He's been lying for years, and Dems have let him get by with it. Remember when his handlers were saying "Gore was trying to steal the election?" Dems should have been up in arms, defending Gore but they weren't. Did Gore say he invented the internet? No, but Dems let B* get by with that lie, too.

B* has rolled over Dems like a steam roller. When will it change?
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-03 10:11 PM
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4. sure, you could put about 15 DUers on the panel
then * wouldn't stand a chance.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-03 10:15 PM
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5. I would keep an open mind and listen to all of the evidence before...
Edited on Sat Jul-12-03 10:48 PM by NNN0LHI
...I sent him to Leavenworth for 19 consecutive life terms. Honest. Trust me.

Don

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-03 10:24 PM
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FubarFly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-03 10:29 PM
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7. I hope the "dog" is a poodle. n/t.
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zekeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-03 10:31 PM
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8. You're one of those bleeding heart liberals
aren't you? Seems kinda light.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-03 10:47 PM
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-03 10:52 PM
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12. Shit. I might take you up on that offer
Edited on Sat Jul-12-03 10:53 PM by NNN0LHI
I have had some pretty good (and bad) times on the south side of Chicago. I am still recuperating from the Bears Super Bowl party of '85.

Don

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indictrichardperle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-03 10:56 PM
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13. Bears 1985 ?
Fencik, Duerson, Toast Richardson, Otis, Wilbur, Dent, Hampton, Mongo, Singletary, Fridge........who am i forgetting ? :D

Michael McCaskey must be a neo con :D
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iam Donating Member (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 12:41 AM
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16. Plank
The best name ever for a DB.
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indictrichardperle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 12:44 AM
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17. Leslie Frazier
im not sure if Plank was still around in 85. It seems like yesterday, but damn near 20 years ago....wow.
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julka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 03:04 AM
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18. wasn't there some guy named Walter........
Paxton, or something like that?

reserve running back, behind the Fridge.....didn't score any touchdowns that game
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kittykitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-03 10:50 PM
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11. And a huge bag of pretzels!
NT
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DrBB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-03 11:30 PM
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14. "demonstrated widespread acceptance"? Not fucking hardly
The build-up to the most recent Gulf war demonstrated a widespread acceptance of the need to anticipate the threat posed by weapons of mass destruction

Gee, I seem to remember the largest worldwide protests in HISTORY taking place about this very issue. 2 million right there in London, yeah? I mean, I like the Guardian, but let's try to keep reality in the picture, hm?
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-03 11:37 PM
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15. you mean the picture that is and has been
my desktop since February 15? (it keeps me company) - that my friend, is now known as a "focus group"
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