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UpInArms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 07:15 AM Original message |
Eli Lilly in storm over Prozac evidence |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 07:19 AM Response to Original message |
1. I could have told them that... |
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Florida_Geek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 07:24 AM Response to Original message |
2. For many years I have been a member of |
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sherilocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 08:37 AM Response to Reply #2 |
11. I have Breggin's book, Toxic Psychiatry |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 12:34 PM Response to Reply #11 |
215. See also Breggin's |
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xultar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 07:33 AM Response to Original message |
3. Duh!!!! I had a friend who was on it who couldn't tolerate the behavorial |
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Kagemusha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 07:38 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Vested financial interest, it would seem. |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 07:38 AM Response to Original message |
5. Sanitizing life is hazardous |
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zanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 08:21 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Depression ranges from mild... |
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Mr_Spock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 11:05 AM Response to Reply #8 |
28. Thank you - Prozac saved me from a deep depression. |
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SharonAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 04:02 PM Response to Reply #28 |
84. And Paxil saved me from who knows what. I was so depressed |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 05:44 PM Response to Reply #28 |
117. Stigma.... like the one that the pharmcos have sold for decades about |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 01:34 AM Response to Reply #28 |
201. Spock.... "Half-Time Pizza"? |
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Mr_Spock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 01:41 AM Response to Reply #201 |
203. Half-time Pizza |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 11:50 AM Response to Reply #201 |
211. Causeway St. by North Station |
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ElectroPrincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 12:11 PM Response to Reply #28 |
212. As a student of Physiological Psychology the individual Psychiatrist and |
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shrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 11:54 AM Response to Reply #8 |
34. God, yes |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 01:10 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. That was my experience as well. Don't these kneejerk condemnations |
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Mr_Spock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 01:24 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. I'm extremely tired of the kneejerk condemnations and know-it-alls here |
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shrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 02:04 PM Response to Reply #39 |
48. Yes, they surely do |
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RedSock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 02:05 PM Response to Reply #39 |
49. amen |
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donheld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 07:20 PM Response to Reply #49 |
144. I have been on prozac for 10 years |
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Danieljay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 04:16 PM Response to Reply #39 |
89. it not only saddens me..but |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 08:10 PM Response to Reply #39 |
165. How can you possibly read that from my post? |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 01:07 AM Response to Reply #165 |
198. Excellent post. I fully concur. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 01:04 AM Response to Reply #8 |
197. Well, I have clinical depression and have worked through it. |
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Mr_Spock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 01:44 AM Response to Reply #197 |
204. Yeah, me too. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 01:12 PM Response to Reply #5 |
40. Please tell us about your personal experiences with major depression. |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 01:52 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. P.O.E. is absolutely correct. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 02:34 PM Response to Reply #45 |
53. Yes, let's not "start in with" you about your experience! |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 03:00 PM Response to Reply #53 |
60. I know EXACTLY what I'm talking about, |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 03:26 PM Response to Reply #60 |
77. There's nothing wrong with someone asking you to back up an assertion. |
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Mr_Spock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 04:10 PM Response to Reply #77 |
86. I agree with you |
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Eloriel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 11:29 PM Response to Reply #53 |
186. EXCEPT, QC, that's nowhere near what has been said so far |
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ElectroPrincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 12:17 PM Response to Reply #45 |
213. I disagree. And who would determine what constitutes |
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conflictgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 05:04 PM Response to Reply #40 |
105. You weren't addressing me, but I'll speak up |
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shrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 06:34 PM Response to Reply #105 |
124. I tried diet, exercise, et. al for years |
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conflictgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 08:45 PM Response to Reply #124 |
170. Then how would you explain the increase in depression? |
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shrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 09:23 PM Response to Reply #170 |
176. The medical community never acts altruistically |
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conflictgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 09:33 PM Response to Reply #176 |
178. I agree - I said I think some cases are organic |
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shrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 09:37 PM Response to Reply #178 |
179. SSRIs should be taken seriously |
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Eloriel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 11:44 PM Response to Reply #178 |
189. I think most of us are saying |
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shrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 09:33 PM Response to Reply #170 |
177. I suspect that people in "the old days" were told to snap out of it |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 08:35 PM Response to Reply #40 |
168. two of my closest friends, and the person I thought was my life mate |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 10:19 PM Response to Reply #168 |
181. Yea, I had that innate buyoncy myself, I was never depressed other |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 10:58 PM Response to Reply #181 |
182. What's your point? |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 11:06 PM Response to Reply #182 |
183. Damn good. |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 11:30 PM Response to Reply #182 |
187. So, what's YOUR point? You said that you have no objection |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 11:48 PM Response to Reply #187 |
190. Just consider me another of your oppressors; it's much tidier that way |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 11:57 PM Response to Reply #190 |
192. LOL. That's okay. I really have |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 02:59 AM Response to Reply #192 |
209. Tell me more, O wondrous one |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 04:55 AM Response to Reply #209 |
210. No, not really!! It is not stature, but mere IQ. Sorry, but you |
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Eloriel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 11:55 PM Response to Reply #187 |
191. Why are you so defensive about YOUR use of these drugs? |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 12:15 AM Response to Reply #191 |
194. Unlike you, I don't see any special significance in the above |
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Mr_Spock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 01:47 AM Response to Reply #187 |
205. If you let them, they will intellectualize you into submission |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 01:56 AM Response to Reply #205 |
206. LOL. Damn, another good noun turned into a verb!!! n/t |
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vs the introvore (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 02:11 AM Response to Reply #5 |
208. but chemically-altering the brain is ubiquitous. |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 08:11 AM Response to Original message |
6. it's impossible to quantify, absent a coherent science of psychology |
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AngryWhiteLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 03:39 PM Response to Reply #6 |
81. Here, here...dead on, my educated friend. |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 05:51 PM Response to Reply #81 |
120. You're obviously not someone who has ADD |
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AngryWhiteLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 07:46 PM Response to Reply #120 |
154. Bipolar Disorder is a creativity enhancer, as well...but, I don't want it |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 08:46 PM Response to Reply #154 |
171. No question that there is some slop in the diagnoses |
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AngryWhiteLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 01:58 PM Response to Reply #171 |
219. I respect your right to chose how to use your "gift" and to live your life |
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Mr_Spock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 08:26 PM Response to Reply #120 |
167. Yeah, and thank god for those ADD/ADHD meds too |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 08:47 PM Response to Reply #167 |
173. Mr_Spock knows the difference between theory and practice n/t |
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Danieljay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 04:31 PM Response to Reply #6 |
96. here! here! Cheers to you! Well said! EOM |
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CountAllVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 08:21 AM Response to Original message |
7. Prozac is a bizarre drug |
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The Flaming Red Head (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 08:39 AM Response to Reply #7 |
12. I had a family member on Prozac throw a frozen turkey at me |
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allalone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 02:17 PM Response to Reply #12 |
52. why blame the prozac |
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Mr_Spock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 04:24 PM Response to Reply #12 |
93. I had a stone cold sober coworker throw a chair at me. |
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Danieljay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 04:27 PM Response to Reply #12 |
95. I had a friend throw pliers at me once.. |
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Florida_Geek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 08:49 AM Response to Reply #7 |
13. In my case the child was 9 yo |
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Ariana Celeste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 03:07 PM Response to Reply #13 |
66. I hear that. |
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Danieljay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 04:25 PM Response to Reply #7 |
94. it didn't work for you so recall it? |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 05:21 PM Response to Reply #94 |
108. I'm allergic to penicillin! You'd be crazy to take that stuff! |
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Danieljay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 05:28 PM Response to Reply #108 |
111. penicillin should DEFINITELY be recalled! |
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Mr_Spock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 07:12 PM Response to Reply #111 |
140. "There are so many ... with "pet" agendas" |
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conflictgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 08:56 PM Response to Reply #140 |
175. Chimpy would be really happy with that attitude! |
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Mr_Spock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 11:15 PM Response to Reply #175 |
184. What's your point? |
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Eloriel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 12:13 AM Response to Reply #184 |
193. You and several others |
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Mr_Spock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 01:22 AM Response to Reply #193 |
199. You obviously had an agenda when you read the posts. |
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conflictgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 12:55 AM Response to Reply #184 |
196. Sorry, I was being sarcastic |
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Mr_Spock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 01:32 AM Response to Reply #196 |
200. I'll take some time and summarize the "questioning" in a post tomorrow. |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 04:34 PM Response to Reply #175 |
225. Who isn't questioning them? |
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Chico Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 08:25 AM Response to Original message |
9. Behavioral disturbances? Well, we should just invent another drug! |
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Eurobabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 08:28 AM Response to Original message |
10. I believe there is an underlying hormonal or metabolic |
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CountAllVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 08:53 AM Response to Reply #10 |
15. you are right |
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davsand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 11:21 AM Response to Reply #15 |
30. I think a lot of that is done by Docs who don't have a clue. |
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shrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 12:00 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. Amen |
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Eurobabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 02:51 PM Response to Reply #30 |
59. ditto for me too, and I think it is my cortisol is too high |
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mountainvue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 05:04 PM Response to Reply #15 |
106. They turned me into a feelingless |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 08:50 AM Response to Original message |
14. What This Country Needs Is Tort Reform. |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 10:57 AM Response to Reply #14 |
25. Finally a voice advocating reason! |
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Stevepol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 09:50 AM Response to Original message |
16. Anti-depressants are a hoax perpetrated on the American people. |
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Nimrod (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 11:05 AM Response to Reply #16 |
27. I believe you are right in 99% of cases |
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shrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 11:57 AM Response to Reply #16 |
35. It wasn't a hoax on me |
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AngryWhiteLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 03:29 PM Response to Reply #16 |
79. As a licensed clinical psych...you don't know what you're talking about. |
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Stevepol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 06:09 PM Response to Reply #79 |
123. I was merely paraphrasing the Mother Jones article. |
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Mr_Spock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 07:47 PM Response to Reply #123 |
155. Even the St. Johns Wort study I read about showed a high response |
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sherilocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 06:40 PM Response to Reply #79 |
126. I agree with you |
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Mr_Spock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 07:23 PM Response to Reply #79 |
146. THANK YOU!!! Everybody read this post |
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Dem2theMax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 04:33 PM Response to Reply #16 |
99. I'd be dead without my 'hoax.' |
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bleedingheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 10:14 AM Response to Original message |
17. This is why I won't medicate my son |
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Mr_Spock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 11:15 AM Response to Reply #17 |
29. My daughter no longer wants to run in front of a car due to Lexapro |
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DianeG5385 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 11:36 AM Response to Reply #17 |
32. Back when my autistic son was 8 or9 he was prescribed Prozac |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 01:56 PM Response to Reply #32 |
46. Yup, I had the mania, too. |
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shrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 02:02 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Are you bipolar, by any chance? |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 02:11 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. No, not really. |
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shrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 03:04 PM Response to Reply #51 |
63. Wow |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 03:07 PM Response to Reply #63 |
67. Well, the worst part is that I didn't really need them. |
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shrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 03:11 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. Then you didn't need them |
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emad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 10:15 AM Response to Original message |
18. Journal hands over Prozac papers : BBC |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 10:18 AM Response to Original message |
19. But, but our new GOP Governor Mitch Daniels was a lobbyist |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 10:48 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. More news from Big Pharma + Politicians |
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William Bloode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
20. Now lets see... |
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Ariana Celeste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 03:20 PM Response to Reply #20 |
74. It's fucked up, is what it is. eom |
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Danieljay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 03:55 PM Response to Reply #20 |
83. I get your point.... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
21. My personal bad experience with Prozac |
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Mr_Spock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 10:57 AM Response to Reply #21 |
24. OMG - yes mixing alcohol and Prozac is a recipe for disaster |
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Mr_Spock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
23. Prozac was the best thing that ever happened to me... |
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SmokingJacket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 03:28 PM Response to Reply #23 |
78. "Closely monitored" -- KEY phrase |
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shrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 04:37 PM Response to Reply #78 |
102. YES |
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Mr_Spock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 04:54 PM Response to Reply #78 |
104. "But when they stopped working so well" |
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Eloriel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 12:33 AM Response to Reply #104 |
195. There's no contradiction there |
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Mr_Spock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 01:35 AM Response to Reply #195 |
202. MYOB |
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TaleWgnDg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
26. Here's the original British Medical Journal (BMJ) article . . . |
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sherilocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 11:29 AM Response to Reply #26 |
31. Many responses were based on personal experiences |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 04:37 PM Response to Reply #31 |
101. This is the result of years of work |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
33. Anyone who watched the SSRI tale unfold should have wondered about this. |
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Danieljay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 03:04 PM Response to Reply #33 |
62. finally...a voice of reason and experience |
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shrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 07:02 PM Response to Reply #62 |
137. So glad you're feeling better |
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shrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 07:00 PM Response to Reply #33 |
135. I always wondered about that, SSRIs for children |
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bunny planet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
36. Ely Lilly must be watched very carefully. Most people don't know that |
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Merlin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
38. Prozac works wonders. I know about a dozen people who take it. |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
41. We live in a nation where profit trumps life. |
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JoFerret (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
42. Can Viagra be far behind? |
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Carl Brennan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
44. Anti-depressants and political apathy |
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kerry-is-my-prez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
50. This is total b.s. Prozac is a godsend &the best anti-depressant out there |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 02:36 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. Amen! |
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MisterP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 02:50 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. well, who would that be? |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 03:05 PM Response to Reply #58 |
64. Apparently just being of the opposite opinion makes someone |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 03:18 PM Response to Reply #64 |
73. No, the problem is universalizing your own experiences. |
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Mr_Spock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 04:16 PM Response to Reply #73 |
90. This isn't the first time I've seen "looking for a fight" WRT this person |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 07:07 PM Response to Reply #90 |
138. I'm sorry, I just don't like being called uninformed |
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Mr_Spock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 07:21 PM Response to Reply #138 |
145. I'm just glad I'm not depressed now and I thank Prozac 100% |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 04:32 PM Response to Reply #73 |
97. The field of psychiatry is doing the universalizing. |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 03:02 PM Response to Reply #50 |
61. You need more experience with Prozac. |
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shrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 03:06 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. I've had ten years experience with Prozac |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 03:10 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. I can certainly see how it could help someone |
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shrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 03:16 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. We can agree on that |
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kerry-is-my-prez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 06:40 PM Response to Reply #68 |
127. Most bipolar people can take it if they are taking Lithium, etc, w/it |
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ally_sc (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 03:12 PM Response to Reply #65 |
71. i have a friend who has been on it 10 years or longer... |
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kerry-is-my-prez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 03:41 PM Response to Reply #61 |
82. Sorry but unless you have dealt with a large number of people taking it |
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Chicago Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 04:10 PM Response to Reply #50 |
87. AMEN! |
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Stevepol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
55. Psychological "effedts" are almost impossible to prove. |
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The Judged (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
56. Declare children mentally ill now, save Pharm industry from claims later! |
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arikara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
57. I heard the same horror stories about it years ago |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 03:12 PM Response to Reply #57 |
70. Great post. nt |
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AngryWhiteLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
75. Well, I see the Scientologist propaganda machine is working... |
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Florida_Geek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 03:23 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. may people have killed themselves or others |
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AngryWhiteLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 03:34 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. It's SIMPLE...depressed people ARE MORE PRONE TO SUICIDE. |
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Chicago Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 04:18 PM Response to Reply #80 |
91. I'm interested in the Scientology link.... |
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AngryWhiteLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 01:43 PM Response to Reply #91 |
217. Here's some good Net links on the Anti-Psychiatry Scientology crusade |
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Florida_Geek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 05:36 PM Response to Reply #80 |
112. check out Peter R. Breggin site |
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AngryWhiteLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 07:49 PM Response to Reply #112 |
157. Breggin is a quack with a huge anti-medication agenda...grain of salt |
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conflictgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 08:51 PM Response to Reply #157 |
174. Find me any impartial doctor though! |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 11:43 PM Response to Reply #174 |
188. There are good pdocs out there |
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AngryWhiteLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 02:05 PM Response to Reply #174 |
220. Doctors know of other ways to treat, but insurance co. don't pay for it |
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sherilocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 04:22 PM Response to Reply #157 |
223. I would be interested in some links |
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AngryWhiteLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 08:03 PM Response to Reply #223 |
226. And, links you shall have...there's a few at quackwatch.org |
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Chicago Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 04:15 PM Response to Reply #76 |
88. Protect crazy people from crazy do-gooders! |
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Florida_Geek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 05:38 PM Response to Reply #88 |
113. Not on the pills of death side |
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AngryWhiteLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 01:50 PM Response to Reply #88 |
218. Hunh? The radical right did not invent depression or bipolar disorder... |
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Mr_Spock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 04:23 PM Response to Reply #76 |
92. So not treating a depressed person lowers suicide rates? |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 05:24 PM Response to Reply #92 |
110. Well, not treating diabetes would lower the rate of people with diabetes. |
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Florida_Geek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 05:40 PM Response to Reply #92 |
114. And they have KILL |
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MisterP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 05:47 PM Response to Reply #75 |
119. Scientologists? |
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Chicago Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 04:10 PM Response to Original message |
85. Prozac and drugs like it are WONDERFUL and to anyone who says |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 04:37 PM Response to Reply #85 |
100. Good point |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 05:19 PM Response to Reply #85 |
107. I say otherwise |
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Mr_Spock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 05:23 PM Response to Reply #107 |
109. What did you say? |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 06:08 PM Response to Reply #109 |
122. Simply this: |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 07:19 PM Response to Reply #109 |
143. Geez, you looking for a fight or something? |
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Mr_Spock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 07:27 PM Response to Reply #143 |
148. You tell me from the post and the follow up what the intent is |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 07:39 PM Response to Reply #148 |
150. Was I talking to you when you offered up your opinion before? |
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Mr_Spock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 07:54 PM Response to Reply #150 |
159. Whatever - we'll have to agree to disagree. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 07:42 PM Response to Reply #148 |
152. If you can't get it |
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Mr_Spock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 08:09 PM Response to Reply #152 |
164. I am familiar with the data for children and adolescents... |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 08:38 PM Response to Reply #164 |
169. We could also be talking about adults, too |
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Mr_Spock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 02:07 AM Response to Reply #169 |
207. Thanks for the informative and constructive post. |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 04:30 PM Response to Reply #152 |
224. One thing to remember... |
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Chicago Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 05:43 PM Response to Reply #107 |
116. Only depressed people commit sucide...Incl VietNamMonks and Palestinians |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 06:44 PM Response to Reply #116 |
128. Well, maybe you might want to consider the facts |
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Chicago Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 06:52 PM Response to Reply #128 |
131. If they are so bad, then why do drug companies continue to |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 07:16 PM Response to Reply #131 |
141. You make several incorrect assumptions |
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Chicago Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 07:52 PM Response to Reply #141 |
158. Paxil was never a very good one IMO |
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Florida_Geek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 05:41 PM Response to Reply #85 |
115. What drug company do you work for |
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Chicago Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 05:45 PM Response to Reply #115 |
118. Tell us about the Church of Scientology |
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Florida_Geek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 05:59 PM Response to Reply #118 |
121. I do not have a clue what you are talking about |
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Chicago Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 06:39 PM Response to Reply #121 |
125. What exactly is YOUR problem with these drugs? |
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MisterP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 06:49 PM Response to Reply #125 |
130. what's with the accusations of Scientology? |
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Chicago Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 06:53 PM Response to Reply #130 |
133. Because of articles like these... |
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MisterP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 07:18 PM Response to Reply #133 |
142. "Cats are not vegetables. Teacups are not vegetables. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 06:53 PM Response to Reply #125 |
132. Deleted message |
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134. Deleted message |
Florida_Geek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 07:10 PM Response to Reply #134 |
139. You are one sick person |
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Chicago Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 07:37 PM Response to Reply #139 |
149. I see, so you have it out for shrinks? |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 07:44 PM Response to Reply #149 |
153. I coulda sworn that the Bush administration's plan was |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 07:55 PM Response to Reply #149 |
161. Deleted message |
Chicago Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 08:03 PM Response to Reply #161 |
163. LOL! |
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Mr_Spock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 08:19 PM Response to Reply #134 |
166. You mine as well be talking to a wall |
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Chicago Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 06:49 PM Response to Reply #121 |
129. Insane Scientologist's False Article Condemns Prozac... |
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sherilocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 07:00 PM Response to Reply #129 |
136. There is absolutely no relationship |
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Chicago Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 07:41 PM Response to Reply #136 |
151. Social Security and Medicare are under assault and the best |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 07:48 PM Response to Reply #151 |
156. Just not true. The Bush administration wants MORE people on |
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Chicago Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 08:00 PM Response to Reply #156 |
162. Maybe so, but right now patients pay for the drugs themselves. |
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amazona (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
98. they didn't suppress it very well |
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Mr_Spock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 04:49 PM Response to Reply #98 |
103. I also knew of the potential risks before I took a single pill too |
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BrutalEntropy (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 07:24 PM Response to Original message |
147. my father committed suicide in 1990 |
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Chicago Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 07:55 PM Response to Reply #147 |
160. You should look into a lawsuit, then. |
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Disturbed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 08:46 PM Response to Reply #147 |
172. M. Moore's new film... |
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puddycat (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 10:05 PM Response to Reply #147 |
180. I think most SSRIs are dangerous. In fact, most drugs are, I suppose. |
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Mr_Spock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 11:23 PM Response to Reply #180 |
185. So are most recreational drugs and we take them willingly |
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BrutalEntropy (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 12:28 PM Response to Reply #185 |
214. you are completely missing the point... |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 04:13 PM Response to Reply #214 |
222. Prozac is now a generic drug |
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zann725 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
216. Seems most drugs these days have more "side effects" than benefits... |
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graywarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
221. I took prozac twice. First time it worked for me. Second time... |
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maddezmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 08:56 PM Response to Original message |
227. locking, see thread #2 here |
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