Abu Ghraib pyramids "not wrong." - Democratic Underground

purduejake

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Mon Jan-10-05 02:20 PM
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Abu Ghraib pyramids "not wrong."

The lawyer for a US soldier accused of mistreating prisoners at Iraq's Abu Ghraib jail has said the alleged abuses were valid methods of control.

Guy Womack, attorney for Specialist Charles Graner, said US cheerleaders often formed human pyramids. "Is that torture?" he asked, opening Spc Graner's defence on Monday.

The soldier denies charges including conspiracy to mistreat prisoners and assault. The counts carry a tariff of up to 17 years in prison.

<http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4155375.stm>

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ET Awful

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Mon Jan-10-05 02:22 PM
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1. Are those cheerleaders forced to form pyramids laying down nude

at gunpoint?

What the FUCK is this guy on?

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trogdor

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Mon Jan-10-05 02:26 PM
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What law school did this guy come from?

Is that the best he can do for a defense? I would rather have thrown myself on the mercy of the court than have an idiot like that represent me.

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bluestateguy

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Mon Jan-10-05 02:22 PM
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2. And they say that our side over-intellectualizes away evil

While I continue to believe that commanding officers should be held criminally responsible for these outrages, I also believe that the enlisted soldiers should also pay a severe price. A message needs to be sent that "I was just following orders" is not a valid defense of war crimes. That logic was delegitimized at Nuremburg 60 years ago.

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sui generis

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Mon Jan-10-05 02:24 PM
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3. uh, they're wrong when the guys are all naked

and you're fondling their balls with the toes of your boots.

and number two, human pyramids? What kind of wussy ass humiliation is that? They should have done human jenga or something really creative. :eyes:

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KingChicken

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Mon Jan-10-05 02:25 PM
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4. The chick was fucking around with their dicks, is that ok too?

I know that Americans have a lot of psychosexual problems, but this is just too far, especially when we are talking about Muslims.

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Plaid Adder

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Mon Jan-10-05 02:26 PM
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5. "Is that torture?"

I don't know. Are they NAKED?

Jesus H. Christ. This is logic? "Hey, just last week I paid a dominatrix good money to put me on a leash and drag me around. Was that torture?" No, it wasn't, you dumb fuck, because you asked for it, you paid for it, and you could stop it if you wanted to. Also, because you weren't surrounded by a bunch of American soldiers laughing and taking pictures. Also, because you're not a prisoner of war being held at the mercy of an occupying army.

For God's sake. CONTEXT, people!

mutter mutter mutter grumble mutter,

The Plaid Adder

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VegasWolf

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Mon Jan-10-05 02:29 PM
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6. If this is the best his lawyer can come up with, this Sgt. is toast! n/t

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Mon Jan-10-05 02:29 PM
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7. gawd

This is like comparing an apple to a grapefruit - no similarity whatsoever.

You'll be in prison for a very long time Graner!

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NIGHT TRIPPER

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Mon Jan-10-05 02:31 PM
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8. harmless pranks-let's see that attorney volunteer to get naked in court

and let the accused play "Simon says" with him

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Mon Jan-10-05 02:32 PM
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9. duplicate topic, please discuss here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1138372

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