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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 02:01 AM
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New FBI Software May Be Unusable (After $581 Million Spent)
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-fbi13jan13,0,4698242,print.story?coll=la-home-headlines

A new FBI computer program designed to help agents share information to ward off terrorist attacks may have to be scrapped, the agency has concluded, forcing a further delay in a four-year, half-billion-dollar overhaul of its antiquated computer system.

The bureau is so convinced that the software, known as Virtual Case File, will not work as planned that it has taken steps to begin soliciting proposals from outside contractors for new software, officials said.

The overhaul of the decrepit computer system was identified as a priority both by the independent commission that investigated the Sept. 11 attacks and by members of Congress, who found that the FBI's old system prevented agents from sharing information that could have headed off the attacks.

Since the attacks, Congress has given the FBI a blank check, allocating billions in additional funding. So far the overhaul has cost $581 million, and the software problems are expected to set off a debate over how well the bureau has been spending those dollars.
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ogradda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 02:15 AM
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1. i suppose they got a raise for this.
or a medal:eyes:
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aikido15 Donating Member (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 02:17 AM
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2. No doubt!
And rob the educational or some other social program to replace system. ugh!
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Robert Oak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 02:25 AM
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3. ridiculous
Probably they are more concerned with smoozing dinner parties and if
anybody has every smoked marijuana that obtaining competent
US citizens who can design the thing.

I've noticed this quite a bit, millions spent via "contracts"
awarded to political insiders who can't engineer their way out
of a paper bag...

meanwhile the private sector outsources the jobs and competent Americans
go unemployed.

Accenture, who can't engineer their way out of a paper bag as well
as is incorporated in Bermuda to avoid US taxes managed to land
a 10B dollar contract from homeland security.

Tell me there weren't some payoffs in that award and I can hardly
wait until the money is gone and there is no system.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 02:27 AM
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4. Somebody is getting rich off this "mistake". An accident?
All this purported incompetency seems a bit at odds with truth.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 02:43 AM
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5. Why don't we take a bucket and poor Millions down the
drain!!!
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RafterMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 02:58 AM
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6. Almost $20,000 per FBI employee
Pathetic.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 03:16 AM
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7. Grown ups call this graft. n/t
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 03:24 AM
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8. click on the wrong hyperlink, and watch as your e-mail reader fills w/spam
yet somehow the FBI is unable to produce reliable information-sharing software for $581 million? I am not impressed.

Damn straight they need to look for outside contractors. They can start by hiring those same soulless motherfuckers who serviced the "direct marketing" industry.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 03:40 AM
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9. I could do it and make it work for less than a couple of million
Think of all the software engineers, DBAs and programmers that are currently unemployed in the US due to outsourcing that could have made a stellar software product.... while the yahoos that wrote that crap will probably get medals and a lifetime pension.




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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 02:53 PM
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32. Cronus, Cronus, Cronus. Make it work for less than a couple million?
Edited on Thu Jan-13-05 02:53 PM by fob
Didn't you see where it said the FBI had a blank check to spend BILLIONS? How are the corporatists gonna earn enough to put food on their families if you wlatz in and finsih the project AHEAD of schedule and that far BELOW budget?

Now if you submit a proposal that says it will take 10 years, not 4, and cost $23 billion, not 2 or 3 billion, you could probably get the contract! Of course a substantial portion of the $23 billion would have to funnel back to the "correct" persons and you just may wind up with a few million to do the actual job, but you should plan on returning for additional funding somewhere around the 6-8 year mark. Oh and right up until you return for funding you should MAKE SURE to issue annual projections that show the project ahead of schedule and under budget.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 04:29 PM
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34. Sadlty, you're right
I would never get the job. They don't reward excellence.




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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 03:52 AM
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10. Check this part out :)
The prototype's main feature allows users to prepare documents and forward them in a usable form.

Eventually, the FBI expects to have software with added features for managing records, evidence and other documents, along with the ability for users to collaborate on documents and share information online.



HAHAHAHAHA!

It's a fucking store and forward system. We call that EMAIL here on the Internet!

"Eventually" they'll ADD features for management? Eventually!

HAHAHAHAHAHAA!

Oh, stop it. STOP IT! I can't live with the pain in my sides from laughter!

Lotus Notes salesmen must all be salivating at the thought of getting a slice of the "new" system! Especially since their software already DOES all of that!

HAHAHAAAA!

Damn. *cough* must. stop. laughing. must.

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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 04:02 AM
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11. all they need is a skid of Macs loaded with iLife, iCal
the sad postmodern truth is our make-believe governments on teevee are more efficiently imagined than the real thing. corrupt people are stupid and stupid people are unable to get their shit together enough to manage their consultants.

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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 07:07 AM
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19. The Internets; The Final Frontier
They could soak us for billions more. All they have to do is throw in techie language as the Congress nods in feigned understanding.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 11:51 AM
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20. Lotus Notes would seem a solution
:-)
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 12:00 PM
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21. God help them!
What an unmitigated piece of proprietary trash!
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 12:11 PM
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23. Granted the email side is only a B-, but the working together with others
Edited on Thu Jan-13-05 12:11 PM by papau
is the best out there!

But I do get tired on closing an email and finding I've closed Lotus!

:-)
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PeterPuck Donating Member (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 12:37 PM
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26. just use the 'Esc' key to close your email
Not sure exactly why you are closing Notes when you mean to close the email message. Is it possible you are clicking on the 'X' in the top right corner of the window and closing the application.

I agree totally with your statement. The email client sucks but the workflow and collaboration functionality notes offers is unmatched. Not to mention the ease of which users can post/manage data to the web using secured web applications.

Lotus Notes has a bad reputation because a lot of users have only been exposed to the email client.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 12:42 PM
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28. No. I base my opinion on doing internal support and development.
I don't base it on mere use. My experience, however, is over 6 years old - but I doubt the abominable internal 'engineering' has changed all that much. :shrug:
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 12:45 PM
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29. yep - but in the extremely lazy group - my group - hitting esc is not a
Edited on Thu Jan-13-05 12:46 PM by papau
mouse function and therefore requires more effort that it should.

Actually just clicking on the mail icon brings you back without closing.

Now to discuss doing an operation on multiple emails at a time ..sigh...

:-)
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 12:41 PM
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27. one could build a better system with php, a sql db, and apache in a day
:eyes:

I gotta get in on this government work!
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 12:51 PM
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30. Unless they create and enforce ...
... a viable, open, non-proprietary "Network Architecture" (an architectural strategy definition) that ensures longevity, adaptability, and maximal immunity from proprietary obsolescence, their repeated huge-systems investments are doomed to be a mega-money-pit.

This is, of course, the major failing of government bureaucracies - not taking firm control of their long-term information management strategies. Enterprises of such scale and criticality cannot expect to plug-and-play some ad hoc hodgepodge of proprietary crap as the basis of their information systems. For such enterprises, I'm a big advocate of roll-your-own and non-OCO (source access obligatory) approaches, based on a living, long-term, detailed technical strategy.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 07:58 PM
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36. Right, and with good reason, but my point was the capabilities
described come right out of the box when you set up a free linux box running free apache and free mySql and free php, and then you could download the free 30 day trial of Dreamweaver MX 2004 - run a couple wizards and you've got those core requirements DONE.

Of course, I charge $20,000 a minute, so you might want to find someone else to do it :7
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 02:25 PM
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31. If the article is accurate, a typewriter and a fax machine would be better
I would sell them that system for only a few million dollars, too.




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screembloodymurder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 06:03 AM
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12. I assume there was a contract
that specified performance. Why would you pay for software that didn't perform as specified? The vendor should give the money back or go to jail. It's as simple as that!
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Cori Cycle Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 06:11 AM
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13. they shoulda asked
uncle bill to build one for them. when things don't work, his friends in redmond always comes out with "bill's quick fix patch," and everything would be just fine and dandy.

who are the shumack came out with unuseable software anyhow.
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 06:21 AM
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14. Do you suppose they could outsource the software
to India to find competent software engineers? Or maybe they already did, and thats why it's crap.

You know, $581M is getting into what I would call serious money. Screwing the Cops, LOL, how ironic.
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makhno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 06:23 AM
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15. The usual suspects: SAIC and CSC
I wonder what positions former FBI IT executives occupy with these companies. The revolving door is a wonderful thing.

http://www.gcn.com/23_11/news/25934-1.html
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 12:20 PM
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25. Aha
institutionalized graft & piracy--in secret! How convenient!
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 06:52 AM
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16. On behalf of the Tinfoil Contingent, permit me a word:
Disinformation. It could well be that this software works just fine and we're supposed to think the FBI will scrap it.

I'm not saying that this is the case, but one must always allow for such a possibility when the Regime says anything.

We now return to our regularly scheduled pogrom.

:evilgrin:
dbt
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 12:11 PM
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22. Good thinking!
Everything this mis-administration does/says is a lie, so why not this. These guys would lie if the truth would save them.

I was ready to accept the "dumbshit" explaination on this mess, but when I read the original post to my wife she said "What makes you think the FBI is telling the truth now?"



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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 06:53 AM
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17. so where did the money really go?
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 12:19 PM
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24. Dogbert has it.
Sadly, United States Citizens are probably better off for that.

If the FBI or the Homeland Security still had the money, they might be spending it on something far, far worse than crappy unworkable software.
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McDoomfook Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 06:57 AM
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18. Diebold
probably developed the software.....
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 03:10 PM
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33. Sounds like the name is wrong and should be: "Viral Case Flu"
It seems to infect stupid public agencies, and cause them to waste
massive amounts of public resources due to incompetence in the
white house.
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newscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 04:49 PM
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35. Didn't Ross Perot do the same thing
When Nixon was in the White House? Sold the government a computer system that was totally unusable?
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 08:07 PM
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37. isn't Marvin Bush into software? Sure I read something about
some sweet deal he got in Florida, thanks to bro.

this whole thingssure smells like a filthy bush to me.
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Johnny_Ramone Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 09:14 PM
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38. When the petroleum runs out
...and the electricity is turned off, nobody will care...
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 09:14 PM
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39. what was our Homeland Security Director doing...coordinating???
Dirty money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 09:20 PM
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40. ain't OPENSOURCE much cheaper?
and MORE SECURE these days?

November 24, 2004: mi2g Intelligence Unit (London) reports that Mac OS X and BSD Unix are the "world's safest and most secure 24-7 online computing environments". Their conlcusion? ...

"More and more smart individuals, government agencies and corporations are shifting towards Apple and BSD environments in 2004," according to DK Matai, Executive Chairman, mi2g. "For how long can the truth remain hidden that the great emperors of the software industry are wearing no clothes fit for the fluid environment in which computing takes place, where new threats manifest every hour of every day. There is an accelerating paradigm shift visible in 2004 and busy professionals have spotted the benefits of Apple and BSD because they don't have the time to cope with umpteen flavours of Linux or to wait for Microsoft's Longhorn when Windows XP has proved to be a stumbling block in some well chronicled instances."

more...
http://www.mi2g.com/cgi/mi2g/press/021104.php


the block-heads where i work are going into their 2nd year of migration to MS nirvana though not that deep, yet :crazy:

peace
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 10:02 PM
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41. From the article you cited:
Most breached computing environment - Governments

In a remarkable switch in top rank within the Government computing environment over the last twelve months, the most breached Operating System for online systems has now become Windows (57.74%) followed by Linux (31.76%) and then BSD and Mac OS X together (1.74%). This is in stark contrast to the situation six months ago, when Microsoft Windows was significantly lower in terms of recorded government server breaches in comparison to Linux. The number of recorded breaches against government online computers running BSD or Mac OS X worldwide remains very low.

Interesting!
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 12:03 AM
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42. This may point to
graft.
Who is the contractor?
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