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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 05:48 PM
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U.S. Presses Venezuela on Terrorism
WASHINGTON -- The State Department expressed concern Monday about reports that Venezuela is harboring leftist rebels from Colombia, and it urged the Caracas government to take action against any who are linked to U.S.-designated terrorist groups.

Spokesman Adam Ereli took note of reports that the Colombian government has given to Venezuelan authorities the names of 10 "major Colombian terrorists" allegedly operating in Venezuela.

"We expect the Venezuelan government to examine this information," Ereli said.

At least some of the 10 are members of the FARC, a leftist Colombian rebel group listed by the United States as a terrorist organization.

According to news reports, Colombia presented Venezuela with the list last Thursday. Venezuela has described the list as false and deceptive.

http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/sns-ap-us-venezuela,0,5974568.story?coll=sns-ap-politics-headlines
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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 06:07 PM
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1. Of all the things that bush has done...this stuff makes me..
just sick in my heart to hear. When i look at Venezuela..and what they are today..and their mission there to create a country of true democracy and caring for all of its citizens...and then to see the usa creating the sick rationales to destroy it...this to me is the most evil of all of their acts.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 06:10 PM
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2. I tend to agree. (nt)
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 06:11 PM
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3. I'm not a socialist and it's making me shudder. Our country is being
run by some seriously demented people.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 06:15 PM
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6. Well the most evil so far has been
the killing and wounding of Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and tens of thousands of US soldiers for their Greed.

Venezuela is absolutely second worst on my list.

:(
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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 06:21 PM
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10. yeah..i agree...
beyond evil..and it just keeps growing...makes me sick!! EVIL!!!!!
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 06:24 PM
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11. How about Haiti?
With all the death and destruction and hunger in Haiti, it ranks tops on my list along with Iraq.

Well, there are also the African nations where we have instilled so much violence.

, , , Oh heck, there are just so many nations with which we are screwing around that it is hard to rank where everyone is on the misery scale.

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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 06:26 PM
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12. Don't Forget Haiti
Somebody-well-connected's little hissy fit.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 06:28 PM
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13. Ha! beat you by a minute or so
glad to see there are others here of like minds.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 05:19 AM
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32. You are right.
And Darfur. Too many places to rank.. :(
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 06:11 PM
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4. junior and his mutts are barking up the wrong tree again.
Leaking shit like this to the whore media is like pissing against the wind.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 06:14 PM
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5. It's damned odd that we didn't hear a peep from Bush
when they rounded up over 100 armed Colombian paramilitaries (right-wing)staying at a ranch owned by Roberto Alonso, Cuban "exile" living right next door to Gustavo Cisneros, "fishing buddy" of George H. W. Bush.

These men admitted they had been brought to this location near Caracas to take part in some kind of operation. It was highly visible in papers outside the U.S., and a few here.

Not a word from Bush. By the way, the paramilitaries are the ones with the record of laying waste to villages and murdering the citizens with chain saws, clubs, etc. This is WELL known.

Colombian President Alvaro Uribe has even tried to obtain national amnesty for the vicious murdering and acts of terror his paramilitaries have committed.

I really hope this will blow up in the butthead's face someday.

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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 06:16 PM
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7. We start the conflict with Colombia by supporting the payment
to the Venezuela police to nab the first FARC guy. Then Venezuela and Colombia agree to let Brazil arbitrate the conflict. The WH gets upset with this possible peaceful settlement so turns up the burner by poking the conflict.

They do not hate us for our freedom, they hate us for what we do.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 06:19 PM
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8. Basically, they hate us because we're assholes
Just calling 'em like I see 'em.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 06:19 PM
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9. This should be the other way around. n/t
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ngant17 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 06:31 PM
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14. terrorists with green cards
with all the hubbalu about this crap, why don't Bush just 'fess up about his role in state-sponsored terrorism? And why he and his brother Jeb in Florida petitioned to have one notorious Cuban-American terrorists pardoned for his previous federal crimes which took place on US soil (i.e. Orlando Bosch fired a RPG at a Polish commerical ship in the port of Miami)? Bush has no problem with people who do that, as long as they vote Repug.

His hypocrisy and lying, double-faced, serpent-tongued venom isn't going to work this time. He must be having illusions of grandeur now that he got back in for a second term from vote fraud part II. Maybe he already forget he's still in a quagmire in Iraq. How many wars does he think he can run at the same time? Or will he just let the military take over and do the job for him?
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hector459 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 07:30 PM
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15. So "terrorism" takes over for "communism"
Now all we have to do is label somebody or some group "terrorists" and that will give us a license to do anything we want to them?
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masjenkins Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 07:37 PM
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16. don't forget "narco terrorism" n/t
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 09:09 PM
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17. You're right! Some of them, however, still haven't given up on looking
for "commies." They know how foolish they look pointing out people and naming them "communists" or "commie lovers" so they like to resort to the more intellectual sounding "Marxists." Makes them sound as if they've even read some books, maybe!

U.S. rightwingers just don't like control of Latin American countries residing in the hands of anyone but the right-wing European-descended heirarchy which has descended from the very hogs who slaughtered and enslaved native Latin American native born citizens, as well as the people they brought in chains from Africa, stealing their very lives and worlds from them, and forcing them to do the hard work from which they stole the profits.

I have to wonder how many people killed themselves to avoid living under the boot of these wealthy, stupid, vicious European clowns over the centuries, once they realized they had no way to find freedom ever again.

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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 09:12 PM
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18. With the Stump it is expected. However, I was truly angered
yesterday that Nelson, Dem of Fla., was instructing the Condoslicksa to keep an eye on Venezuela. With Dems like that who needs Pugs to complain about.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 09:38 PM
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22. He has been trying to buy the affections of the right-wing elements
Edited on Mon Jan-24-05 09:40 PM by Judi Lynn
which control South Florida, like the extremists in the Cuban "exile" realm, and the Venezeuelan "exiles" which have flooded the area, as well, and bonded with the right-wingding Cubans.

When the rest of the world was marching in the streets protesting the coming war with Iraq, as everyone knew there was no excuse, yet Bush was pushing our soldiers and the Iraqi people into the meat grinder, the Cuban "exiles" and the Venezuelan "exiles" in South Florida conducted an anti-Chavez parade and celebration in Miami.

Loathesome excuses for human beings.

Bill Nelson plays up to these creeps for votes.


Antonio ''Tony'' Calatayud
Miami Mafia - La Mas Fea
Tony is a prominent member of the exilio in Miami and a terrorist with a long record of anti-Cuba activities. A Bay of Pigs veteran and a past secretary general of the Directorio Revolucionario Cubano, a terrorist organization, he has been implicated in plots to kill Fidel Castro in Mexico and other acts. He was a major organizer of the Calle 8 march on 1/8/03 in support of the coup plotters in Venezuela. On 1/24/02 he was arrested for 1st degree felony theft (Medicaid) in Florida:
"The audit results clearly revealed that Primera Farmacia Latina Inc., through its owner, defrauded the State of Florida's Medicaid program of more than $290,944 between January 23, 1999, and October 20, 2000. In excess of 1,300 claims were linked to fraudulent prescriptions submitted by the pharmacy to substantiate its billings to the Medicaid program. Calatayud is the sole owner of the pharmacy and resides at 14232 S.W. 21 Terrace, Miami. He is charged with one count each of Organized Scheme to Defraud and Grand Theft, both first-degree felonies, each with maximum penalties of 30 years in prison and a $10,000 fine and 10 counts of Medicaid Fraud, third-degree felonies which carry maximum penalties of 5 years in prison and a $5,000 fine for each count."
(snip)

In this, Cayatalud follows a pattern of exile leaders who skirt or violate the law, mostly with impunity. Already his bail has been reduced from $200,000 to $50,000 by a complicit judge who cannot view him as a threat to public order. Cayatalud follows specifically in the footsteps of Miguel Recarey, a Jeb Bush pal who carried out the largest HMO fraud in the history of the US on the pretext that he was helping ContraCoca terrorists.
(snip)
http://afrocubaweb.com/news/calatayud.htm



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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 09:15 PM
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19. Geez, they probably have an underground WMD facility too.
.
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pdurod1 Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 09:32 PM
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20. Iraq = OIL, Venezuela = OIL, ...
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 10:25 PM
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25. The Bushistas wouldn't lie about terrorism just to steal a country's oil.
Unless it was absolutely necessary. Scout's honor.:headbang:
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 09:35 PM
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21. We're losing control of South America, and BushCo knows it.
If the U.S. State Department thinks they can count on Colombia, they seriously "misunderestimate" the loyalty of drug lords.

Wouldn't be the first time ...
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 09:47 PM
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23. The administration will begin a broad campaign in Latin America soon
The right-wing Washington Times newspaper quoted a Bush senior official as saying, "The administration will begin a broad campaign in Latin America soon, urging friendly countries to reassess their relations with Mr. Chávez and to speak up against his authoritarian and anti-democratic rule.

"We'll be communicating our conclusions to his neighbors and raise the alarm about what is happening in that important country."
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 10:33 PM
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26. Sure hope Latin American leaders will tell Bush what to do with his
"conclusions."

Bush needs to butt out. What on earth is that filthy assortment of hobgoblins doing thinking they'll poke their ugly snouts into the affairs of Latin American countries, anyway?

It was done successfully in the past, under previous Republican regimes, but it was dead wrong, and hundreds of thousands of people perished because of U.S. meddling and controlling their puppet dictators.

I surely hope Latin America is forging a new union which can withstand this kind of assault on their democratically chosen leaders, and repel the neo-con plot against them.
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aneerkoinos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 10:33 PM
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27. The administration
will find out there are hardly any "friendly countries" left in América. Américan people everywhere despice Gringolandia and admire Chávez, and democracy cannot any more be ignored.

Peope's of América to Bush's Gringolandia: "Bring it on!"
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 09:59 PM
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24. Christ, my head is spinning
Syria, Iran, Zimbabwe, now we're threatening Venezuela?

I can't keep up with these maniacs. Who's next, Malawi?

Redstone
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 10:38 PM
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28. But the attack on Venezuela will be fought with covert troops (mercs)
and by loading up the Columbian president's pockets with plenty of our taxpayer funds.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 11:40 PM
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30. You're right. We've seen glimpses already of their plans......
From Media War to Armed Struggle in Venezuela?

Thursday, Jun 17, 2004 Print format
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By: Aram Aharonian - Question
“The Andean region, from Colombia to Venezuela, is a very probable objective of a U.S. invasion, whose project needs new invasions.”

—Noam Chomsky
Beyond the latest pronouncements of Roger Noriega or Colin Powell and the “repair” just completed process, all indications are that the most radical sectors of Venezuela’s opposition intend to repeat a similar script to the one of April 2002. To organize a massacre and, with the support of the mass media, to accuse the Venezuelan armed forces—and in this way the commander in chief, Hugo Chavez—of genocide, so as to appeal for a foreign intervention.

These groups—encouraged by the fact that they were the ruling class in Venezuela for over forty years—have various problems. First, they have no concept of nation or sovereignty and a total lack of patriotism. Since they did not achieve a landing of U.S. marines (which more than one businessman called for via the private mass media), are now trying to incite such an action via Colombian assassins.
(snip)

Permanent low-intensity conflicts, the installation of Colombian phenomena such as assassins (“sicarios”)—over 80 peasants and community leaders assassinated—and the paramilitary forces, along with appeals to terrorism as a political weapon—bombs placed in foreign representations, assassination attempts on the President, assassination of peasant leaders—confirms a climate that is rarefied and hardened by a private press that spreads as valid all test balloons of the Colombian military intelligence service, and the participation of Colombian businessmen (the same ones who for over five decades have profited from the violence in their country) in Venezuelan political life.
(snip)

The Paramilitaries

The capture of Colombian paramilitary forces in a hacienda, a mere 20 kilometers from Caracas—headed by three “comandantes” accustomed to crime, 40 reservists, around 20 professional soldiers who are active in the military, and a contingent of young unemployed novices, including nine minors who were turned over to Colombian authorities—proves that various factors such as Cuban exiles, narco-traffickers, the Colombian oligarchy, “hawks” from the United States, and the owners of the private mass media are making efforts to destabilize and militarily occupy Venezuela, one of the countries with the largest oil reserves in the western hemisphere.
(snip)

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/articles.php?artno=1199

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~


The Democratic Block, which enjoys relatively little public media presence in Venezuela, has been publishing pamphlets and printing full page newspaper ads, calling for the population to join the military in a coup against the Chavez government. Several of its members, especially Roberto Alonso, the wealthy Cuban-Venezuelan on whose ranch the paramilitary group was discovered, have been linked to the paramilitary plot.
(snip)

It is difficult to imagine that 130 paramilitary fighters could overthrow a government. However, what they could have done is spread confusion, chaos, and instability using urban guerilla warfare tactics against the government, placing bombs and assassinating political leaders on both sides. Their aim, presumably, was to cause enough instability so that Chavez would issue a state of siege, which would then be the necessary pretext for outright intervention by the Colombian armed forces, U.S. Plan Colombia “advisors,” and/or more paramilitary mercenaries. Such a scenario might seem far-fetched, but the recent efforts of the Colombian government to purchase Spanish tanks that could only be used for a land invasion do not bode well. Also, U.S. efforts to diplomatically isolate the Chavez government on the thin pretext of human rights violations (which bear no comparison to those of U.S. ally Colombia), appear to be preparing the ground for tougher measures against the Chavez government.
(snip/...)

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=45&ItemID=5612
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 10:44 PM
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29. More lies from the Bush Crime Family terrorists.
This is such transparent, shameful behavior for our country. I believe the contracts with China are already signed.
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 11:43 PM
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31. what do seals say? "AUC AUC AUC AUC"
didn't some of *'s friends get busted on a coke lord's estate? Bushfriend Uribe is buds with rightist militias
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 06:10 AM
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33. More bullshit from our Ministry of Truth
which will certainly be parroted by our own set of PPI neolibs.
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