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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-03 01:51 PM
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What an ayatollah would mean for Iraq
http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/sept11/dailyUpdate.html

The prospect of an ayatollah-run Iraq does not seem as implausible as it may have months ago. According to The New York Times, when democratic elections roll around in postwar Iraq, it is almost certain that the majority Shiites will emerge as key players – a development that Bush would likely welcome.

By working with influential Shiites, who make up 60 percent of the country's population, the Bush administration may gain needed short-term support. Shiite rule could help stave off the violence that has occurred in predominantly Sunni areas. Two American soldiers were killed overnight in separate attacks in Baghdad, US military officials said Monday. They follow a string of attacks, which are beginning to resemble organized guerilla warfare.

The Bush administration is seeking "to blame desperate Baathists, 'dead enders' from Saddam Hussein's Republican Guard, criminals and terrorists for the violence," The New York Times reports. While safety seems ever more tenuous in Sunni-controlled regions of the country, Shiite cities and villages are relatively quiet. In Najaf, Karbala and Basra, Shiites are rebuilding their cities "side by side" with American and British forces. It seems hard to imagine, writes Times reporter Patrick E. Tyler, that "the Bush administration has not considered that an ayatollah might be Iraq's first postwar leader."

Skeptics question if this is the right answer for long-term stability in the country. A Shiite-dominated government would be a dramatic change for Iraq, which has been ruled by the Sunni minority since the days of Ottoman Turkish rule. Shiites, who were oppressed under Saddam Hussein's rule, have often rebelled against Sunni rulers.

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copithorne Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-03 01:58 PM
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1. They have considered it.
Rumsfeld rejected that possibility. They think they are going to install the first Western style democracy in the arab world with Mr. Chalabi being swept into power on a carpet of rose petals.

In other words we will be at war indefinitely -- until the Bush cabal admits error (when hell freezes over) or until they are replaced with someone who can devise an exit strategy for us.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-03 02:09 PM
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3. You mean like the democracy installed in Afghanistan?
What a disaster that has turned out to be.

Karzai can't leave the palace in Kabal without everyone taking potshots at him, the warlords are running most of the country and the Taliban is running the rest of it, the warlords are not turning over taxes and fees collected to the central government and just last week the warlords have started full scale attacks against each other.

But then, the U.S. has a horrible record when it comes to installing friendly governments.


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2. Korea 1950-53
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5. Indonesia 1958
6. Cuba 1959-60
7. Guatemala 1960
8. Congo 1964
9. Peru 1965
10. Laos 1964-73
11. Vietnam 1961-73
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13. Guatemala 1967-69
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15. Libya 1986
16. El Salvador 1980s
17. Nicaragua 1980s
18. Panama 1989
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20. Sudan 1998
21. Yugoslavia 1999
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Paschall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-03 02:02 PM
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2. So have we accepted the idea...
...of an independent Iraqi Kurdistan? The Kurds are--by our good graces--still armed and not too keen on the idea of Shariah law, I think. And how are the Turks going to react?

Noteworthy: this story contradicts Rummy: Rumsfeld has declared that an Islamic state "simply won't happen." (source)
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