Some Dems nervous as Dean resurges

Some Dems nervous as Dean resurges

By Jill Lawrence, USA TODAY

WASHINGTON — He's besting conservativerivals in bid to head the party

Howard Dean is on the verge of an astonishing comeback. Can he replicate that feat for his demoralized party?

Dean, the former Vermont governor and presidential candidate, is the frontrunner to become chairman of the Democratic National Committee when its 447 members cast their votes Feb. 12. As of Thursday, Dean had public commitments from 213 members. He needs a simple majority to win.

The political newsletter The Hotline counts 13 publicly announced members for strategist Donnie Fowler, Dean's top remaining rival. But Fowler, on CNN, said he has 72 votes and no plans to withdraw.

a lot more at...http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-02-03-dean-return_x.htm
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btw vote in the poll

I want a party with a spine that stands up for what is right in this world and against what is wrong and no more damned political expediency.

:thumbsup:

That's the ticket.

I do believe these people are on to something http://www.backbonecampaign.org/

brings. They'll do anything to keep power. Carville had a rant today about Dean's lead.

:hi:

"Mark Brewer, chairman of the Michigan Democrats and a national group of state party chairmen that recently endorsed Dean, says Republicans shouldn't gloat. "Let them (The Republicans) have their fun right now," he says. "I think they're going to regret the day that Howard Dean became chairman of the DNC." :evilgrin:

I sure hope so!

You see not everyone else in the country was so lucky as they were with the outcome of the election. Most other Americans did not get million dollar consulting fees for running a losing campaign.

Again.

:hurts: :P

plz go on.....snore;)

:evilgrin: :thumbsup:

is start talking about his record as Governor and as part of the national Governor's association or whatever that governors group is called.

in the DNC seat who is not afraid to tell the repugs that they are going to be left in the dust when the Demo machine runs them over!!!
We've had enough Dem's that have laid down and been ran over by this administration. GO HOWARD!!!!

...there isn't a shred of doubt that the RW media will paint a huge target on Dean like they did Clinton. Everything he says will be twisted in the whore media and they'll do anything to make him look like a nut. If you listen closely you'll probably hear the RW smear machine cranking up right about now.

We have to be ready for this and strike back in kind. No more making nice. From now on, it's jungle rules. When our side is attacked, we have to raise as much hell as possible - LTTE's, call every talk show, picket, strike, whatever it takes.

is what I crave for because their attack will eventually wear out especially if Dean instills spine in the democrats to return fire likewise instead of stooping down to take it from the re-Thugs every so often. Besides it will force the fence sitting moderates and independents to cast their lots either way rather that find excuses to say that "the re-Thugs are not so evil; and lets hope that they will come to their senses". No it is time to take the re-Thugs on if the democratic party wants to be take serious AGAIN!

every live inter view he gives, he rips the media.

Clinton just ignored them.

Did they bring Clinton down? NO. Why are people so afraid of these RW pansies?

he's a streetfighter, and he'll hit back. The GOP knows this and they're nervous; what has allowed them to win for so long is the Dems weak, spine-free, play nice attitude. No more!

and I have never been a fan. I admit to a lingering mistrust, but he at least doesn't seem inclined to try to be more Republican than the Republicans in search of a few "swing" voters. I thought his "And I hate everything they stand for" was great. I just hope he has re-thought his former support (if I remember correctly) for raising the retirement age for SS. Hard to imagine a Dr. advocating that seniors stand more years behind grocery counters or get out there on the construction crews at 65.

I am not a Democrat and not privy to the machinations of the DNC, so can someone enlighten me what the following means, especially what it might mean for a Dean as chair?

<snip> Remarks from other Democrats suggest they don't see Dean in that role. "We're not looking for a spokesperson in the chairmanship," 2004 nominee John Kerry said on NBC.

Terry McAuliffe, current DNC chairman, says he gave Dean a two-hour presentation on what a party chairman does. "Your job is to raise money and do the mechanics," he said in an interview. "It is not your job ... to set policy." <end snip>

Now, is this disengenous? If they have no policy role, why the excitement over a Dean chairmanship?

... then who does?!!!??? WTH?!!!

He revolutionized fundraising (via internet) and mobilized a youthful, energetic and hardworking base of Democrats. They are negotiating power with him now. I like Dean. He is an honest, straightforward and plainspoken man.

Hes tactful but strong at the same time. Hes going to fit this position like a champ. One thing people forget about: during a campaign, a candidate gets exhausted. Dean did so and began to look bedraggled physically. Thats all gone. Rested, hes a lot different person than what people saw in Jan/Feb.

have Dean down their throats.

Watch them try to marginalize Dean, it won't work.

I'm sorry my line in the sand with Democrats was crossed Jan 6, 2004, I want someone that will kick some ass, I am sick of feeling like my party doesn't give a shit about common man, it is depressing and sad.

Go Dean!

I read about ( I think here) in which he told the interviewer that he would not give them any information because that would give them legitimacy and they (Fox), being a propoganda tool for the Bush administration, don't deserve the legitimacy he would give them.

They did not air this.

I don't think many people understand the role of the DNC Chair. McAuliffe was right.

which will enable him to be, shall we say, a touch more helpful, to Democrats and less valuable an asset to quisling Vichy Dems. If he's got control over pursestrings, that'll have a lot of influence, official policy role or no.

But McCauliffe sure the hell was indirectly by tying the pursestrings of what the Dems used for campaigning for favors to the big big corporate donors in terms of party policy. I'm sure he made it known in many contexts to the Dems that "Our corporate 'friends' want this" and "our corporate 'friends' don't want this". Hopefully that sort of crap will soon be over when the "Dean team" takes over!

Harry Reid is a sincere and warm person, or that's how he seems to me and yet he is able to fiercely defend his party and his fellow dem senators. I don't think anyone doubts Harry's moral character, but Harry is not "energetic" and definitely not an "in your face" type. The Dem party has room for all types of personality and I think those two would compliment each other and give the Repub something to worry about. Are Reid and Dean fighting? Will it split the Dems? Are they really unified but putting on a front? Are they really split but putting on a unified front? It's always helpful to keep the opposition guessing. There's more than one way to skin a cat!

In plain, too nice of a guy. Its not that we need a DeLay, but we need someone more physically imposing and forceful in the Senate.

OTOH, Deans appearances will be mostly sitdown in front of interviewers. They love him and so does the camera in those situations. As opposed to crowd situations where he tends to bark and is camera unfriendly.

Dean will be awesome, IMHO.

first time I saw him. His speaking voice is not captivating but he did say "Shut up and vote" is not democracy! that was in reference to the repub complaining about the time dems wanted to take to debate Rice.

Wake up!!

WAKE UP - Rage Against the Machine

Come on!
Uggh!

Come on, although ya try to discredit
Ya still never edit
The needle, I'll thread it
Radically poetic
Standin' with the fury that they had in '66
And like E-Double I'm mad
Still knee-deep in the system's shit
Hoover, he was a body remover
I'll give ya a dose
But it'll never come close
To the rage built up inside of me
Fist in the air, in the land of hypocrisy

Movements come and movements go
Leaders speak, movements cease
When their heads are flown
'Cause all these punks
Got bullets in their heads
Departments of police, the judges, the feds
Networks at work, keepin' people calm
You know they went after King
When he spoke out on Vietnam
He turned the power to the have-nots
And then came the shot

Yeah!
Yeah, back in this...
Wit' poetry, my mind I flex
Flip like Wilson, vocals never lackin' dat finesse
Whadda I got to, whadda I got to do to wake ya up
To shake ya up, to break the structure up
'Cause blood still flows in the gutter
I'm like takin' photos
Mad boy kicks open the shutter
Set the groove
Then stick and move like I was Cassius
Rep the stutter step
Then bomb a left upon the fascists
Yea, the several federal men
Who pulled schemes on the dream
And put it to an end
Ya better beware
Of retribution with mind war
20/20 visions and murals with metaphors
Networks at work, keepin' people calm
Ya know they murdered X
And tried to blame it on Islam
He turned the power to the have-nots
And then came the shot

Uggh!
What was the price on his head?
What was the price on his head!


I think I heard a shot
I think I heard a shot
I think I heard a shot
I think I heard a shot
I think I heard a shot
I think I heard, I think I heard a shot

'He may be a real contender for this position should he
abandon his supposed obediance to white liberal doctrine
of non-violence...and embrace black nationalism'
'Through counter-intelligence it should be possible to
pinpoint potential trouble-makers...And neutralize them,
neutralize them, neutralize them'

Wake up! Wake up! Wake up! Wake up!
Wake up! Wake up! Wake up! Wake up!

How long? Not long, cause what you reap is what you sow

:kick:

It sure as hell beats playing it safe and playing nice. I like most everything I've read/seen about Dean, and I think it's a good thing if "some dems" are nervous. They should be. Hopefully the rethugs are more nervous.

They save their most vicious attacks those that are dangerous to them- like Clinton, Gore, Micheal Moore, Kerry & Dean.

The more the GOP/media hands out bullshit about Dean, the more I have reason to like him.

"There is still some unease about Dean's grass-roots multitudes, whom he mobilized for his DNC bid. "His people tend to be a bit left," Pederson says, adding some DNC members in Arizona were "alarmed" at the avalanche of calls from them."

(snip)

"a bit left"? as opposed to what, the republican dominated RW DLC? Horrors! A Democratic leader who is "a bit left"-what IS the world coming to? :eyes:

it doesn't fit in with the morality of today's America. "Those gosh durn libruls will have homos marryin' each other, separation of that there church and state and a whole lot of other shit we don't even wanna think about."

Why would they be alarmed? Those calls will translate into money when the time comes.

A bit left? Isn't that what the Democratic party is about? Give me a fucking break.

The fact that there is a wing to this party that is very pro-active and quick responding, many of these people are Dean backers and they're pissed!! They can also respond faster and in greater voice than just about any other "group" within the party. Which is a most excellent thing at the moment.

There will come a point however, when we all have to get past the inter tribal bickering and move forward with the battles that we must take to the beast, **, and their NeoCON gang of war criminals. I think that point shall be reached in short order.

Shut up. Sit down. Watch how it's done.

When I was governor, I BALANCED budget that were done in Vermont history and I DID IT!!! At the same time, all the children's had medical insurance! And Vermont didn't go bankrupted!
Republicans are very afraid of Dean... he has great track records as Governor!!!

I seem to remember a strategy floated earlier that said Reid was perfect for minority leader because he knows the rules and can fight with the best procedurally, if we have a Howard Dean for DNC chair who can act as spokesman for the party. God bless him for seeing past the personal pain of losing and honoring his commitment to make this country whole again, with DFA and now DNC. Imua Dean!

Re "the people tend left" ha! that's what they are worried about, that we'll remember we left democracy at the babysitters and will come to take it home.

edited fer spelin

I read a link from one of the posts (thanks!)... just 1 more vote needed and Dean's our man!

I'd be nervous if we didn't get a grassroots, down-and-dirty, tell-it-like-it is kinda guy!

:thumbsup:

of GOP and go head on with them!!! I think so call "Mainstream Media" will do lot more coverage of Dean. When Dean has something to say, it will be on TV!!! Dean will definitely get lot more coverage and exposure!!! This is what Dem's need to get their messages out.

what needs to be said! He won't kiss ass and pussyfoot around the re-thug idiots.

shocks people. Dean is our man!

I started out as a Deanie way back when, but I had concerns that he was perhaps a bit "over the top." Right now, though, we need to fight Bush's deadly "over the top" before he kills us all. I've come back around to see that we need Dean. In whatever capacity he chooses to serve us. Period.

perhaps a bit "over the top." like this even >>>

If people ever wake up and figure what kind of idiot has been placed in that Oval Office then all Hell will surely be breaking loose. There has been four years set aside for this to happen, the chances for it are great.

Their spineless times are over...

RL

that word about says it all doesn't it?

"They" (DNC leadership) are afraid of US. Grassrooters that is....

Both the traditional Dem power base and the GOP are afraid of change, albeit for different reasons.

The Democratic Party is made up of old-school politicians, consultants, and lobbyists that are obviously more interested in protecting their own turf than they are of adding new people to the party. The new voters pose a threat because new voters become volunteers, and volunteers become candidates.

The GOP is nervous because they know Dean knows the mechanism to invigorate the young vote. The GOP is happiest if changes happen where they can control the type and rate of change, but if the opposition changes, they don't have a plpan to react to the unknown.

DBDB

things keep looking better and better . . .:party: