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jonolover Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 01:13 PM
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New York Court Rules Gays Must Be Allowed To Marry
Edited on Fri Feb-04-05 01:19 PM by jonolover
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roenyc Donating Member (824 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 01:14 PM
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1. In your face bush! NT
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 01:17 PM
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2. Jonolover - FIX Your Headline
Edited on Fri Feb-04-05 01:18 PM by Crisco
A New York State court ruled Friday that same-sex couples must be allowed to marry.

State Supreme Court Justice Doris Ling-Cohan said that the New York State Constitution guarantees basic freedoms to lesbian and gay people, and that those rights are violated when same-sex couples are not allowed to marry.


In NY, the state Supreme Court is actually the lowest on the totem poll. Court of Appeals are the poohbahs.

the actual story title does not say 'high' court.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 01:44 PM
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4. On A State Level It Doesn't Get Much Higher Than the State Supreme Ct.
Edited on Fri Feb-04-05 01:45 PM by Beetwasher
The appeals courts are federal. I could be wrong though...

This is great news! It means the only wat to overturn IS to go Federal, and that would be trampling all over us New Yorkers STATES RIGHTS.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 01:46 PM
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6. Not In NY State
Edited on Fri Feb-04-05 01:47 PM by Crisco
NY court structure is different than most. On the state level, Supreme is the lowest, Court of Appeals is the highest, and there's another in between, IIRC.

I'm not trying to dampen anyone's enthusiasm, just saying there's a ways to go yet.
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MrMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 02:15 PM
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14. New York State Courts
http://www.courts.state.ny.us/courts/structure.shtml

Supreme Court = court of original instance
Intermediate Appeals = first level of appelate courts
Court of Appeals = the highest court
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 02:26 PM
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16. Ok
Well, that's not MUCH higher! (only two more courts, so I was still sorta right!) ;-)

Seriously though, I think the NY courts will still do the right thing and uphold this ruling...
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 01:45 PM
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5. Said on another thread
DOMA FAILED 4 times in New York with REPUBLICAN controlled legislature. The marriage laws, which fall under the Board of Health, define marriage as between BRIDE and GROOM. Who is a bride and who is a groom? Doesn't specially say MAN and WOMAN. The marriage laws also talk about spouses. Again, subject to interpretation too.

There has NEVER been any attempt here to have a citizen vote on this. I don't think the politicians here want to touch this issue, INCLUDING REPUBLICANS. Even "Saint Rudy" has publicly said on many, many occasions he is in favor of gay marriage, although certainly NOT as Bush's poster boy during the reelection campaign.

We shall see.
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despairing optimist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 07:38 PM
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36. That's right, guys. To bashers I say, Bring it on!
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 01:34 PM
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3. Yes!
Hurray!
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 01:57 PM
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7. A conversation on gay marriage I had with a nurse once
She said that she had no problem with gay people having their rights, but didn't like them always marching and protesting.

I said, "Well, If Town Hall would have just given them a marriage license, they wouldn't be out protesting. When was the last time you saw gay people chanting and waving rainbow flags outside The Registry of Motor Vehicles?"
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Gothmog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 02:00 PM
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8. Here is another story on this decision
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Spacejet Donating Member (162 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 02:04 PM
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9. I'm confused
Edited on Fri Feb-04-05 02:05 PM by Spacejet
Is this the state supreme court or a lower court in the state making this ruling? And does it effect the entire state or just a region?
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 02:07 PM
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It Is a Lower Court
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_State#Law_and_Government

The court system in New York is notable for its "backwards" naming: the state's trial court is called the New York Supreme Court, while the highest court in the state is the New York Court of Appeals.
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Spacejet Donating Member (162 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 02:10 PM
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13. This is good news still
Is anyone here familiar with the judges on the court of appeals? Any idea what they might rule?
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 05:15 PM
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31. So the NY "Supreme Court" is the equivalent of "District Court" in most
states? How weird...
:eyes:
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 02:54 PM
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20. What would be called a "Superior Court" elsewhere is called ...
... the State Supreme Court in New York. The highest court in New York is the State Court of Appeals.
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Danmel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 03:36 PM
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25. The Supreme Court is the first level-
It is the trial level court.

The Appelate Division is the intermediate level court

The Court of Apppeals is the highest level court in NYS.
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Technowitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 02:05 PM
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10. It'll be a while yet
There are several appeals to be filed -- and you can bet they will be.

I'm of the opinion those nice couples are going to be waiting at least a few more years -- assuming they manage to win at all.

And let's not forget, Bushie and his fascist buddies are angling for a U.S. Constitutional amendment which would trump all of this.

Next stop: New Gilead.
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Stop_the_War Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 02:07 PM
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11. YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THANK YOU NEW YORK!!!
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 02:09 PM
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12. This should put the fundies panties in a knot.
:headbang:
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geniph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 02:18 PM
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15. Oh no! I can feel my marriage crumbling even as we speak!
The sanctity of my marriage has been violated, VIOLATED, I tell you! How can I possibly stay married in a culture that permits two people who love one another to form a legal bond?!
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Rockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 02:38 PM
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17. But NOTHING mentioned on CNN or MSNBC websites.
What Scum they are.
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Spacejet Donating Member (162 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 03:21 PM
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24. Actually that may be a good thing
they probably can't get much of a hate rise out of people anymore.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 04:12 PM
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28. lower your expectations....lower.....looooowwwweeer
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 02:47 PM
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18. States Need To Get Out Of Marriage Business All Together & Only
Edited on Fri Feb-04-05 02:48 PM by cryingshame
provide Civil Union contracts to any two individuals who want to join their households.

Let Houses of Worship be the ones to "Marry" people according to whatever doctrine they hold.

This upholds seperation of Church and State.

It also recognizes there's a difference between a legal marriage done in accordance with State Law and those done in the confines of a Religion.
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Southern Dem 2005 Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 02:56 PM
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21. Problem with that is
Edited on Fri Feb-04-05 02:56 PM by Southern Dem 2005
the state provides a bunch of benefits depending on marital status. I agree states should allow gays/lesbians to marry but there have to be some rules enforced by the state or you could end up with, say, bigamist or polygamist marriages.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 03:07 PM
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22. Civil Unions Would Have ALL Benefits Of A Marriage. Only Difference
ideally would be a civil union was done by state & marriage done by church.

At least that's my suggestion.
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 03:41 PM
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26. That makes perfect sense
And I concur that marriage needs to be reserved for the religious sphere.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 02:53 PM
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19. Outstanding!!
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DiverDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 03:12 PM
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23. good news
When one is oppressed we all are.
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Solar Donating Member (261 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 03:55 PM
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27. SWEET!
Oh this is awesome news!
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 04:27 PM
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29. Kick
Kick

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 05:13 PM
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Spacejet Donating Member (162 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 05:15 PM
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32. Lol
I think you found the wrong forum...
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gorbal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 06:50 PM
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34. Exactly
Sacred for everyone.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 07:28 PM
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35. Maybe gay marriage can be sacred too.
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 05:59 PM
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33. Aww I Guess God Hates
New York now. It is the Sin State! After he damns Massachusetts, NY is next! Well, it is what a CONservo/fundy would say anyway. :)
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