“The Crazies Are Back”: Bush Sr.’s CIA Briefer

Discusses How Wolfowitz & Allies Falsely Led the U.S. To War
Former CIA analysts Ray McGovern and David MacMichael accuse President Bush of waging the Iraq war based on a series of lies, discuss the unprecedented pressure that VP Dick Cheney put on the CIA before the invasion and call on CIA analysts and agents to come forward with information that will reveal the lies of the Bush administration.

AMY GOODMAN:Now one of the things we are talking about a lot and seeing a lot is that the same people that were there during the Reagan-Bush years and even before, the Wolfowitzes the Rumsfelds, Cheneys were there then. What was George Bush’s view of these people then?

RAY MCGOVERN: Well, you know it’s really interesting. When we saw these people coming back in town, all of us said who were around in those days said, oh my god, ‘the crazies’ are back – ‘the crazies’ – that’s how we referred to these people.

AMY GOODMAN: Did George (H.W.) Bush refer to them that way?

RAY MCGOVERN: That’s the way everyone referred to them.

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=03/09/17/1543215

not only support what these crazies said, but slaughtered thousands of people for their lies????? This is how the world will judge America. People will look at this for all time now and say - America is full of lunatics. What a sorry predicament. I used to really love America. This is just awful.

and wonder if it's really possibly true that the wheels are starting to come off of the Rove/Republican propaganda machine. I think it all depends on the media and how and if they start covering this, especially cable news.
I'm still not too optimistic.

I think one thing that has to be added about David Kaye, who is identified as a former member of UNSCOM, that is the United Nations weapons inspection team, prior to the 1998 bombing and the departure of the weapons inspectors and prior to their reinitiation under UN resolution 1441, David Kaye in fact, and this is not revealing the identity of an intelligence officer was in fact a CIA officer at that time. One of the reasons the initial inspections process broke down was because the United States and other member states of the inspections team began introducing their intelligence officers into this and in fact as it’s been documented, planting listening devices in the places they were going for intelligence purposes, not for weapons inspections purposes.

Hmm, this is exactly what the Iraqis were complaining about, that the US was placing spies with the inspector program. I think Scott Ritter said the same thing.

"Well he was promoting the idea that has now been implemented that we are the single superpower in the world and that we should act like it. We’ve got a lot of weight to throw around, we should throw it around. We should assert ourselves in critical areas, like the Middle East and over the next few years the Project for New American Century documents very much elucidate this kind of strategic vision and strategic plan. It’s very much like Mein Kampf. It’s the ideological strategic justification for what has been happening here. It’s empire, it’s how to increase our influence and not coincidentally, it dovetails expressly with the strategic objectives of Israel in the Middle East. We mean to be the sole superpower, dominant superpower in the world and Israel is determined to remain the superpower in the Middle East. And of course if you talk about weapons of mass destruction, well, check out how many Israel has. And ask yourself when was the last national intelligence estimate on Israeli weapons of mass destruction? "

Tremendous read!

a great interview, i have saved the link for future dissemination.

another very good read:
http://truthout.org/docs_03/062603B.shtml

I watched the entire interview. For all intents and purposes, these guys have completely blown the lid of this adminitration's duplicity and deceptions. But as one of them said, nothing will come of it unless someone within the administration decides to come forward as Daniel Ellsburg did the the Pentagon papers, or unless the American press decides to go after the truth. Sadly, I don't think either of these things will happen.

Nonetheless, this is a must see/read for everyone at DU.

was at the end when I think it was mc govern who said to amy, that he is happily married, great kids, and I think grand kids, he is not depressed in any way. so if he is found somewhere in the woods with his wrists slashed .... you get the picture. he was basically saying he is not suicidal. . I am paraphrasing. but the interview was very telling. I wish mainstream would interview these guys.

Oh yes- because it is right from it in part IMHO, a legacy of CIA recruited Nazis.
http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/ratlines.htm

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=199853

The irony is sickening.

That poor little innocent babe--abandoned in the political jungle with scheming handlers to his right and unsupportive Democrats on his left!


rocknation

DAVID MACMICHAEL:"If former President Bush could define Philip Agee as a traitor for exposing the identities of serving intelligence officers, if his son’s political advisor has done the same, while it has not come under the heading of treason, believe me, it is a very serious felony under the current Act. "

snip
What this indicates, I mean, this is all sort of in the weeds until you step back and you say why is all this happening? It is all happening because there are lies upon lies, deceit upon deceit that have been used to justify this illegal war on against an unprovoked enemy, or an enemy that does not provoke us. Once the lies start unraveling, and people see they can speak out, that is going to be real trouble for the administration, and so what do you do? You do all you can to intimidate them. And how you intimidate them is to try to hurt them in a personal way. Going after somebody’s wife, I mean, not even Richard Nixon stooped to that.