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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 02:22 PM
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(KS) attorney general seeking records of women who had late-term abortions
Edited on Thu Feb-24-05 02:24 PM by truthpusher
http://www.wbay.com/Global/story.asp?S=2992479

Kansas attorney general seeking records of women who had late-term abortions

WICHITA, Kan. The attorney general of Kansas wants to know the detailed history of the sex lives of nearly 90 women who received late-term abortions.

Court documents show that Phill Kline wants to search the documents for evidence of crimes under laws that limit late-term abortions and require mandatory reporting of suspected child sexual abuse.

Under the order signed by a judge, the attorney general would get records that would include each patient's name, medical history, details of her sex life, birth control practices and psychological profile.

The Wichita Eagle says two medical clinics have asked the Kansas Supreme Court to intercede.




http://www.wbay.com/Global/story.asp?S=2992479
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Vladimir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 02:23 PM
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1. Why don't they tell him to go fuck himself? n/t
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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 03:21 PM
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21. Oh, we do. Every day.
He keeps coming back, though. :eyes:
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 02:23 PM
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2. Handmaid's Tale, here we come...
:scared:
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 02:24 PM
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4. My exact thought as I read the OP.
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wildflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 02:30 PM
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7. "Blessed be the fruit"...
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 03:05 PM
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15. "May the Lord open"
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puddycat Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 12:23 PM
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68. Margaret Atwood's book is chillingly prescient
it was a creepy book to read, because it was so scary. Now the fiction has become reality.
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 02:21 PM
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71. My thoughts exactly.
Now I'm more frightened for my daughters and my son.
Freedom is on the march though.

:scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:
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Willy Lee Donating Member (925 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 02:23 PM
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3. "They hate our Freedom" eom
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 02:25 PM
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5. What's the income level of the 90?
Any rich women in the mix? Any middle class women?

He has NOTHING better to do?
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Sunny_Sunshine Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 03:18 PM
Response to Reply #5
20. Actually, he is very busy having illegal meetings
with the State school board discussing putting stickers on text books.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 10:08 PM
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72. Stickers?
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KDLarsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 10:33 PM
Response to Reply #72
73. If my memory serves me correctly..
.. "Remember, Evolution is a theory, not a fact" or something to that effect.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 12:50 AM
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75. Good freaking grief.
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fshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 02:27 PM
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6. They probably should be burned on the public square, right?
This delirium will have to come to a stop pretty soon...
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ashmanonar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 10:02 PM
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40. heh...
stop the world, i wanna get off...
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 02:35 PM
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8. I cannot believe this is in any way possible.
Wow. Very scary stuff. Hope it gets to the SC and shot down once and for all there.

Has he asked for detailed sexual histories from all their partners, too? Or don't they count?
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 04:09 PM
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28. why do you think
republicans want to stack the courts - including the SC - with rightwing whackjobs?
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 02:37 PM
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9. What's the Matter with Kansas anyway?
What a scary thing for the AG to be doing. What will he do, throw them in jail? Sounds very unconstitutional to me. Detailed sex lives?..what a kinky prevert.
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Colorado Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 03:24 PM
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23. This is what I am wondering. I know there is a good
University there, and a couple of good-sized cities - what is going on out there???
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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 03:24 PM
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24. If you read What's the Matter with Kansas, it does discuss this yahoo
and some of his shenanigans. It's scary stuff ... and he's more arrogant every day as a result of getting away with all of it!
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sickinohio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 06:17 PM
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34. He could be one of Gannon/Guckert's pals
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 02:43 PM
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10. Why, really?
Is this guy another fucking closet pervert posed as a fundamentalist Christian?

Another intrusive sick fuck:freak:

And if I were those women I'd get the hell 'outta Dodge, and fast!!!

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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 02:44 PM
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11. Hey, Phil, is every child support payment in Kansas up to date?
No deadbeat parents out there failing to meet their court ordered responsibilities to provide for actual children? All that's current, huh?

Bet it isn't.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 02:52 PM
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12. now you understand my FIRM belief that men have NO BUSINESS
involved in abortion at ANY LEVEL. Fuckers.
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 03:02 PM
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14. Roger that!
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 03:11 PM
Response to Reply #12
17. I agree
because simply put, they have no fucking idea what it's like to be pregnant:dunce:
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 03:22 PM
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22. NO offense but I think you are wrong
Edited on Thu Feb-24-05 03:24 PM by HereSince1628
I am a man and pro-choice because I want women in general and my daughter inparticular to have a choice for a safe abortion by a licensed health care worker.

As a father I think I have the right and an obligation to consider and to promote a society that will protect my daughter's health.




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Merope215 Donating Member (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 05:17 PM
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31. Speaking as a daughter, good for you.
Seriously. :hi:
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 05:29 PM
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33. Absolutely. Right.
When men get pregnant AND give birth -- Then and only then will I change my mind. But only as far as controlling their bodies.
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mutus_frutex Donating Member (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 06:59 PM
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36. That's a bit extreme, don't you think?
First of all, it creates an inequality between men and women that will come back to bite you in the ass.

Second, the way you phrased your message it is really insulting to us, men, that are defending your right to choice.

Apologies would be welcome..
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 08:44 PM
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38. Dream on. The poster was spot on right.
Only women should be able to make decisions concerning their own bodies!

I think YOU'RE the one who should apologize for intruding in the personal choice of women.
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mutus_frutex Donating Member (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 11:33 PM
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44. Read my message
The tone of the original post was truly insulting. It was very disparaging to every man out there that defends a woman's right to choose.

As I said, I'm truly commited to that right. But I also think that considering that right absolute is truly dangerous. This stems from my even stronger sense of gender equality, something that you seem to completely ignore.

If you are so ready to argue in favor of an absolute right to choose or, in other words, a woman's complete control over her reproductive rights, then you have to be ready to leave men completely off the hook in the same sense. You can not have the cake and eat it.

The absolute right of a woman to decide to have an abortion and the responsability of men for the children that they father are not compatible in a state of gender equality.

Let me say finally, that I am torn. I take gender equality as the most important aspect to be maintained, so either an absolute right to choice or paternal responsability must go.
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Sunny_Sunshine Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 11:29 AM
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65. Two different issues
First, individuals have a total right to decisions about their own health. Pregnancy is first a health issue, it can be life threatening and only the pregnant person can make the decisions on the health risks.

Second, the responsibility for children is a separate issue. It is not a choice. And just as, if I don't want to get a speeding ticket, I choose not to speed, if a man does not want to be a father, he must take precautions.
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mutus_frutex Donating Member (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 11:53 AM
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66. I partially agree.
While I totally agree with respect to your first point (if a woman's health is at rick because of a pregnancy, she has an absolute right to terminate it), I don't agree on the second one. If a man must take precautions, then a woman must also do it. Otherwise you are making a sexist statement.

If a woman becomes pregnant, changes her mind and decides to have an abortion, she is making a reproductive decision. If we accept gender equality, a man must also have this option. Since he can't force a woman to have an abortion, the only option he has is to to reject the pregnancy and the responsibilities involved.

This conclusion is logical: if you accept an absolute right to a woman's right to terminate a pregnancy for reproductive reasons, then you must accept an equivalent right for a man. That is, the right to reject the responsibility of fatherhood.

Cheers..
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GiovanniC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 11:45 AM
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83. As a Man and a Strong Advocate For Pro-Choice Policies
I apologize for intruding in the personal choice of women.

I'll stop now.

From now on, whenever I hear someone talk about how immoral abortion is and how it should be outlawed, I will not intrude in the personal choice of women, and will remain silent. Before your post helped me to see the light, I would have given them a little monkey beat-down.

Now that I know how offensive it is for a man to have any form of an opinion on the topic, I will stay silent.

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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 08:50 PM
Response to Reply #36
39. The choice is a woman's, but everyone's in on protecting the right
Edited on Thu Feb-24-05 08:51 PM by HereSince1628
to make the choice.

Of course your right there cannot be issues in our democracy in which only one sex gets to vote. We crossed that bridge a while ago. Lets never take away the right of anyone's franchise on the basis of sex.





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mutus_frutex Donating Member (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 11:34 PM
Response to Reply #39
45. I understand what you say, but look at my other message..
Then you will understand my position a bit more. It is a bit complicated.. :-)

Cheers..
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ashmanonar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 10:03 PM
Response to Reply #12
41. i agree,
and i'm a man!

i don't wanna know what goes on there. i know far too much already. :dunce:
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 08:29 AM
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57. AGREED
This is between a woman, her doctor, and her conscience. This is one thing that men cannot control, and that frustrates the hell out of some of them.
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 02:55 PM
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13. Eww....I hope the Kansas Supreme Court has some grip on reality..
Isn't that something like profiling? Only worse? Shouldn't there be some reasonable suspicion before an investigator can access sensitive personal data? Oh, or maybe these women are "terrorists" and this falls under some arcane, odd child part of the unPatriot Act.
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woosh Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 03:09 PM
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16. Is this guy
taking a run at governor?
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Zgrrl Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 03:13 PM
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18. One question...
Where are all the people who always scream about not wanting the "gubmint" in their lives? Hm? Hello?

(sound of crickets chirping...)
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 03:16 PM
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19. Ummm...they were raptured?
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oldcoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 10:33 AM
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63. Exactly
They do not want government in their lives, but they do want the government to interfere in the lives of other people.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 03:26 PM
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25. The Socialist position on abortion is that it is not the State's business
Lenin recognized that the anti-abortion laws of the Tsars were part of the system of oppression of women. In Tsarist Russia women were mere property of their husbands.

Lenin abolished all abortion restrictions in 1920!

Soviet women had more abortion rights under Lenin than American women do in 2005 under Bush.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 05:24 PM
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32. Yes, and the Weimar Republic before Hitler
had legalized abortion. Hitler and the Nazis brought back the abortion ban for Aryan women (in fact, put them on "baby farms" to breed the "master race")but ordered abortions for "undesirables."

The business of controlling women's bodies and sexuality goes way back, folks. This ain't nothin' new.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 06:24 PM
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35. Thats classic!
Thank you for that tidbit.
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 03:27 PM
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26. Well, I say it's not to late to abort Phill Kkkline. That's "it's never
too late for a late term abortion, Phil." Wouldn't it be poetic justice if someone in his family or life had one...like his mom? This people are just so radical, they have no boundaries or respect for women.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 03:44 PM
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27. Kansas wins the hog!
First prize for dumbest state in the Union. It was an easy choice this year--only Alabama really even came close. And Texas. And the rest of the "red" states. But Kansas is clearly dumber than all of them combined.
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 04:40 PM
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29. Didn't they try something like this
A few years ago? Except that they were subpoenaing all of Planned Parenthood's records on who came in for a pregnancy test?

Disgusting.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 08:00 PM
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37. Yep and 3 federal judges
knocked 'em down. Let's see if that happens in Kansas.

Read "What's the Matter with Kansas" and cry. It's bad, folks, bad.
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 04:43 PM
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30. This will be my 3rd "conservative idiot of the week" nomination today!
I'm going outside to chop firewood and blow off some steam!
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 10:21 PM
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42. I truly fear that the next generation of women
will have to lose their rights to privacy and control over their reporductive systems. Their relatives will have to assist them with travel to foreign countries or bury their bled-out bodies from self-abortions before they'll get off their asses and do something to stop this from ever happening again.

And I think this will take years. The Reich-wingers started their grassroots movement decades ago. It took this long for them to have pervasive control in many areas throughout the country and govt.
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 10:41 PM
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43. Just watched Aaron Brown interview this guy
What a scary mother fucker
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 08:23 AM
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46. kick to combine threads
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 08:24 AM
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47. Kansas Prosecutor Wants Abortion Patients' Files -unbridled access


..... His office has aggressively pursued cases against online pedophiles, and has maintained that the law allowing late-term abortions is restricted to physical health, not mental.......

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-abortion25feb25,0,3664585.story?coll=la-home-headlines
THE NATION

Kansas Prosecutor Wants Abortion Patients' Files

By P.J. Huffstutter
Times Staff Writer

February 25, 2005

CHICAGO — The Kansas attorney general, as part of a criminal investigation into child rape and late-term abortions, is demanding that two health centers hand over the medical records of about 90 female patients, including minors.

The investigation was disclosed in a filing to the Kansas Supreme Court by two unidentified clinics, which had been ordered by a district court judge to disclose the patients' names, as well as their medical histories, birth control, sexual practices and other personal details.

Advocates on each side of the abortion debate said they were surprised by the move, and said it was rare for medical facilities to be ordered by a court to give such broad access to records as part of a criminal inquiry.......
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 08:24 AM
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48. he talked of rape last evening on a news show--He was real scary
as he continuously talked of child abuse and rape of young females as a reason for these files. Another persom, who opposes access to these records says that laws exist already for health personal to tell authories of any suspected abuse or rape.
This man is on a fishing expidation!!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 08:24 AM
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49. Kline wanted info about female who had sex under the age of sixteen also


,,,,,,In 2003, Kline's office tried to force medical providers to report any information they had about girls younger than 16 engaging in sexual activity. But a U.S. district judge issued a temporary restraining order. The case remains unresolved.,,,,,,,
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Chipper Chat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 08:24 AM
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50. The Patriot Acts have long tenacles.
There is no end where they will probe in the coming decade and beyond (as long as Republicans control our government).
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 08:24 AM
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51. lets hear limbaugh defend medical should be private here also
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booksenkatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 08:24 AM
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52. Because physical health is more important than mental health?
Apart from what this fuckstick is trying to do with private records: it never fails to amaze me how little regard is given to the health of the mind in this country. They want to make you carry an unwanted pregnancy to term, even if it fucks you up mentally -- hey, they'll just ply you with happy pills to cope with it, right?!
:grr:

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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 08:24 AM
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55. they'll just ply you with happy pills to cope with it,
Well sure, that's just good business for the pharmaceutical companies and what is good for big business is good for America. (/sarcasm)
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 08:24 AM
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53. If this is allowed, then the next violation of privacy will come....
...with government demanding the medical records of all citizens without having a reason!
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 08:24 AM
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54. First they came for the medical records...
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 08:24 AM
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56. This is why I opposed the Late Term Abortion ban....
and other such laws. They are a bunch of feel good BS shit so that people like this asshole can violate the rights of women with impunity. The only way to effectively enforce such laws is to violate the rights of citizens to their own bodies, this is atrocious, but not surprising.
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RealLifeNM Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 11:42 AM
Response to Reply #56
82. Do you think that there should be a mandatory Reporter Law
In most states it is mandatory that many people (including physicians) report child abuse. If a 13 year old girl comes into a clinic for an abortion it is most likely caused by abuse. Should the Dr be required to report it or should we let the pedophile stay free in the name of pro-choice and privacy.
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Psst_Im_Not_Here Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 10:16 AM
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58. Kansas AG Seeks Late Term Abortion Records
TOPEKA, Kan. - The Kansas attorney general, a staunch opponent of abortion, has demanded the medical records of nearly 90 woman and girls who had late-term abortions, saying he needs the material to investigate crimes.

Kansas AG Seeks Late-Term Abortion Records
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 10:16 AM
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59. dupe- here's a link
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Psst_Im_Not_Here Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 10:16 AM
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60. Thanks!
I searched and searched and didn't see it!
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Kber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 10:26 AM
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61. Seems to me thare is also a class / economic issue here
Edited on Fri Feb-25-05 10:26 AM by Kber
Lower income women are more likely to use Planned Parenthood resources while wealthier women would probably have an OBGYN who would perform a "procedure" that, even if the documentation became public, wouldn't implicate anyone in a crime.

Another republican attack on the poor and lower middle class.
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FourStarDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 10:33 AM
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62. This is yet another sign of the beginning of fascism..
I say that pro chooice supporters all across the country plan demonstrations and provide monetary support to organizations opposing this fanatic. If he succeeds his actions will set a dangerous precedent.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 11:12 AM
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64. Ever heard of probable cause, Mr. Kline?
How does he know the late-term abortions weren't medically necessary? Is he assuming that all the women are suspects simply BECAUSE they had late-term abortions? When Rush Limbaugh's medical records were siezed, there was at least some actual justification--he was caught buying pills illegally.

:headbang:
rocknation
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 12:16 PM
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67. Want to know a bit more about KS AG Phil Kline? Read on...
Kline's justification:

http://www.accesskansas.org/ksag/Press/2005/0224childrenrape_statement.htm
“Senator and Dr. Barnett and Senators Wagle and Journey are correct: rape is a serious crime and when a 10, 11 or 12 year old is pregnant - they have been raped under Kansas law.

“As the State’s Chief Law Enforcement Official I have the duty to investigate and prosecute child rape and other crimes in order to protect Kansas children.

“The issue before the Supreme Court is whether a district court judge can issue a subpoena when the judge has probable cause to believe that crimes have occurred, including child rape.

“The child’s privacy is always protected- you never see the name of the child victim in the paper and no one has the right to rape or victimize a child or women whether in private or public. There are two things child predators want: access to children and secrecy and as Attorney General I am bound and determined to not give them either. The child’s privacy is always protected and the clinics should not act to protect the secrecy of the predator! One Kansas clinic recently provided records to Texas; the Kansas subpoena is no different.”




Right to Life Agenda
http://zmagsite.zmag.org/Feb2004/bader0204.html
Nowhere is this more evident than in Kansas. That state’s assault on youth began on June 18, 2003, the day Attorney General Phil Kline, a 43-year-old Republican, announced a change in the reporting requirements in cases of suspected child sexual abuse. Like every state in the country, Kansas has, since the early 1970s, required that professionals working with children—among them doctors, dentists, nurses, coroners, medical examiners, psychologists, teachers, child care providers, social workers, and law enforcers—notify the authorities whenever child abuse or neglect is suspected. In 2000, 2.8 million reports were filed nationwide; 879,000 cases were substantiated.

Kline got his impetus from State Senator Mark Gilstrap, an anti-abortion Kansas City Democrat. In the spring of 2003, Gilstrap contacted Kline and urged him to review the disclosure requirements regarding minor’s access to reproductive health care—especially abortion. Kline told the Capital- Journal newspaper that his perusal of Child Abuse statutes led him to strengthen the reporting mandates. “It is illegal for girls under 16 to have sexual relations,” he says. Since sex for females under 16 is, by definition, “rape, indecent liberties with a child, or unlawful voluntary sexual relations,” all libidinous activities on the part of these teens has to be revealed.

In practical terms, if the courts uphold Kline’s directive, mandatory reporters will have to notify the Kansas Department of Social and Rehabilitative Services “if they come into contact with a boy or girl younger than 16 who seeks medical attention for a sexually transmitted disease, a girl who seeks medical attention for a pregnancy, or children younger than 16 who seek birth control or who disclose that they already have been sexually active,” since this is “evidence” that a felony has been committed.

Doctors who fail to report “suspected abuse” face up to six months in jail and a $1,000 fine. They can also be disciplined by the State Board of the Healing Arts.


How does that prove a crime has been committed? Sex between underage teens is criminal? May be the result of bad parenting but jailing kids over it?


some of Kline's past activities as KS AG:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Music/08/06/library.cdsettlement.ap/index.html
The Kansas attorney general has withheld more than 1,600 compact discs from distribution to state libraries because officials determined the albums promote violence or illegal activity, records show.
The albums removed by Attorney General Phill Kline's office were part of 51,000 discs given to Kansas as part of a nationwide settlement to resolve allegations of price fixing.

The confiscated CDs included recordings by 25 musicians, including rap artists such as OutKast and Notorious B.I.G., rock bands Rage Against the Machine and Stone Temple Pilots, and even older acts such as Lou Reed and the 1980s experimental group Devo.



Watson said the office's consumer-protection and antitrust division vetted the list. In some cases, they were familiar enough with the albums to determine if they had questionable content. In others, they looked at Internet databases of lyrics.

"We don't have the manpower to look at every album and every song lyric, but we feel we removed most of the albums that did not mesh with the values of a majority of Kansans," she said.
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Fifth of Five Donating Member (241 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 12:31 PM
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69. If this was about rape and other sex crimes, rather than abortion,
Edited on Fri Feb-25-05 12:33 PM by Fifth of Five
why is his request limited to "late-term" abortions? Is this just a trial balloon with the next step requesting info on all women who have had abortions?

Sooner or later will he be requesting information on all women's medical records in order to detect sex-crimes?
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 02:18 PM
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70. Good point...
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athenap Donating Member (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 10:48 PM
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74. This guy is a sicko
"There are two things child predators want: access to children and secrecy"

Isn't that the same damn thing he wants? Access to their names, and the carte blanche to do whatever he wants with their info?

He wants their sexual history? WTF for? All he needs to know is that they obviously had sex once (hence the pregnancy). End of flipping story.

Compassionate docs ought to start being really negligent on their medical records..."I'll just put you down as Jane Doe at 123 Street Road, Anytown Kansas, shall I?"

Doesn't this violate the HIPPA act or something? I can't even get blood test results over the phone that tell me whether or not my iron is a little off...now some clown wants free rein over not only people's medical history, but their sexual habits, too? Why not just visit the pr0n shops and get "Barely Legal Vixens Caught On Tape" for his salacious reading material?
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 01:17 AM
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77. This guy should be a music critic....
...just go out and buy everything he, doesn't like...OutKast,Rage Against the Machine, Stone Temple Pilots, Lou Reed, Devo.

This man is amazing with his abilities to recognize some good shit!
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mutus_frutex Donating Member (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 12:59 AM
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76. If I were a woman that had had an abortion,
I would try to be proactive and have the records sealed in some way, or deleted. Is this possible?
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 02:59 AM
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78. This is one scary bastard.
And I don't believe this has anything to do with him wanting to uphold some law, like he told Aaron Brown. This has eveything to do with denying women power over their own bodies. "Handmaid's Tale", indeed.
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 11:09 AM
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79. US abortion row hots up with court fight over medical records
Julian Borger in Washington
Saturday February 26, 2005
The Guardian

The Kansas state attorney general has demanded the medical files of women who have had late-term abortions for potential criminal investigations, it was reported yesterday.

In the latest escalation of America's abortion war, attorney general Phill Kline, a conservative Republican, has argued he needs to see the files for investigations involving underage sex and child abuse.

But he also hinted he will investigate doctors carrying out late-term abortions, beyond the 22nd week of pregnancy, which are illegal in Kansas except when they are performed to prevent substantial and irreversible harm to the pregnant woman.

Abortion rights supporters believe the country's right-wingers are pursuing an incremental strategy ultimately aimed at criminalising abortions altogether, and that this is simply the latest step in that campaign.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1425713,00.html
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 11:09 AM
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80. Any way to find out how many people in Kansas are not current with
child support payments? And what is Phill doing about THAT?
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RealLifeNM Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 11:09 AM
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81. In my home country Canada...
When any child under 17 gets an abortion...the Dr has to notify the authorities so that their can be a judgment made if their was child rape.
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