2 Found Dead In Home Of Federal Judge (who presided over Matt Hale case)

http://www.nbc5.com/news/4240724/detail.html



http://www.nbc5.com/news/4240724/detail.html

I don't live too far from there...

...on the street in Pekin about 15 years ago. He's a freak...:grr:

His shtick (at least 15 years ago) was to stand on street corners and "preach" his white power BS, always with a big goon standing by his side. Well, one morning he was standing outside the local newspaper where my ex-wife worked. I was dropping her off, saw them, & decided it might be wise to escort her in (she was a reporter & I feared their presence might've been related to something she wrote). On my way out of the paper, I said "nazi pricks," not-so-under my breath. His goon stepped forward and shoved me hard enough to cause me to lose balance, and I fell.

I was going to press charges, but my ex-wife persuaded me not to do so, because of her professional relationship with the Pekin Police (at the time, the PD was her beat). She felt it would be awkward to have her husband involved publicly - so I let it go without pressing charges.:grr:

...that's an amazing story.

...I'm glad I didn't take it any further.:scared:

It reminds me of **, the boy king, with that damn halo they always seem to be photographing over his head...

really...

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-050228lefkow,1,4091866.story?coll=chi-news-hed&ctrack=2&cset=true

From the new article:

"The federal judge whom white supremacist Matthew Hale attempted to have murdered found her husband and mother lying dead in her house when she returned home Monday night, police said."

citizens? How much effort will be put into finding the killers? You know damn well, the FBI know exactly who and where they are.

They'll be put away by the week's end.

this is a case for local police. Feds don't have jurisdiction.

And the Feds most certainly would crack down on a case involving a federal judge if they could.

the federal official's position certainly IS a federal crime.

http://blue.utb.edu/labad/white_supremacist_is_held_in_ord.htm

No target of revenge here,...right?

Chicago Tribune says it's the husband and mother of the judge. :(

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-050228lefkow,1,4091866.story?coll=chi-news-hed

Thanks for the link...am headed to bed and hadn't looked.

What is creeping me out is that I keep hearing sirens...probably meaningless because I live in another police district from there. But to get to work, I drive through one of the areas where Benjamin Smith did his shooting.

I need to sleep now. Please wish me good dreams.

I know this is a lousy way for you to end the day. :hug:

:hug: back at you.

This from WGN radio.

Interestingly, Judge Joan Lefkow attended Wheaton College in Wheaton IL, a conservative Christian school.

I hope this is not a hate crime--but given the animosity of Hale and his horrible followers, this is a strong possibility.

mother and husband.

Even by the U.S. government's own definition:

Terrorism is defined in the Code of Federal Regulations as “...the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population,
or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.” (28 C.F.R. Section 0.85)

http://www.fbi.gov/publications/terror/terror2000_2001.pdf

Rather, had had access prior to his solicitation of murder trial--he already hated the judge for the civil suit. For details, see the Southern Poverty Law Center to which I linked below.

Me thinks there is a message here, somewhere.

My heart goes out to her. What a horrible thing.

:(

Of course it's easy to hire "hit people" from jail when there are so many willing cultists out there ready to do his bidding:(

this scares the hell out of me.

can expect retribution.

I fear we're going to see a lot more of this sort of thing over the next few years.

just like what happens in "third world" countries....i'm convinced that's what bushler wants!

need i say more

As frightening as it all sounds we cannot allow fear to rule our better judgement.

Sept 11, of all days, to be exact.

n/t

One of his followers went on a killing spree and shot a few people in different parts of the state. Matt Hale was denied a law license in the state of Illinois based on statements he made that indicated he would not be able to function as an officer of the court without racial bias.

He was convicted of trying to hire someone to kill the judge that was presiding over a trademark infringement case regarding the name of his church. He tried to hire an undercover officer to kill a female judge.

I am now going to offer a personal comment so it is opinion and should be taken that way:

He is racist little fuck and is probably one of the few people that could ever make me waver in my anti-death penalty stance.


Laura

Clean cut, graduated from law school. And like Manson, encourages his followers, through vague exhortations, to go on killing sprees. And his reach-of-influence is long; 19-yr-old Joseph Ferguson of Sacramento, Calif. went on a murder rampage in Sept.2001. Found inside of Ferguson's home were stacks of Matt Hale's "church" literature.

From the Southern Poverty Law Center
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=23

These are bad people.

Edited to add this link to a sad but well written story about the imfamous killing and maiming rampage of one Hale's acolytes:
http://63.147.65.175/news/guns1221a.htm

Well, looks like he follow throu with what he said he was going to do. I hope he stay in jail rest of his life!

This is beyond creepy but not enough to knock Michael Jackson off. :mad:

And by that I mean a prison guard with a personal agenda. This kind of sh*t has got to stop. This is as low as it gets, and there's only one way to stop it. Fight fire with an inferno.

This was a heartless, brutal crime.

He is evil, but even he deserves to be handled under the law. Just people don't condone lynchings--even of slime such as Hale. That is what makes liberals better people than reactionaries. We believe in the rule of law--even in the tough cases. Those who believe in hate lack the reason and the humanity to follow the law. (Just look at the FreekRepublic posts to see what hate does to people. Hate makes them stupid, bitter, and intellectually and morally bankrupt.)

murdering him would only make him a martyr in the eyes of those dumb fucks who follow him.

He just attacked the very foundations of the rule of law. He tried to undermine the whole thing, and killed two innocent people.

You do that, you don't deserve the protections it affords you.

Lynching 1930

A mob of 10,000 whites took sledgehammers to the county jailhouse doors to get at these two young blacks accused of raping a white girl; the girl’s uncle saved the life of a third by proclaiming the man’s innocence. Although this was Marion, Ind., most of the nearly 5,000 lynchings documented between Reconstruction and the late 1960s were perpetrated in the South. (Hangings, beatings and mutilations were called the sentence of “Judge Lynch.”) Some lynching photos were made into postcards designed to boost white supremacy, but the tortured bodies and grotesquely happy crowds ended up revolting as many as they scared. Today the images remind us that we have not come as far from barbarity as we’d like to think.

How do you know he killed two people? Lets hear it , we're all interested.

You are aware that the very first report linked these killings to the Plame investigations are you not?

And you are aware that he was held without charge in a special section of the jail with his phone tapped to the FBI instead of the usual route to the Wardens Office are you not ?

Only after the FBI wired Hale's own lead security officer,was evidence obtained and charges filed.

Your are aware that the lead prosecutor in the Plame affair , and this Judge have a history are you not?
http://www.senate.gov/~durbin/PressReleases/000630g.htm

You are aware that this prosecutor was going to subpoena bloggers are you not?
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6681798/

You are aware of this prosecutors zeal , are you not?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A55560-2005Feb1.html

you are aware that certain members of the FBI may not want this grand jury to go forward are you not?

why is the MSN jumping all over this Hale angle all in unison, but now neglecting any mention of Plame?

Why on Earth then would Matt Hale order this right before sentencing?
makes no sense ....He's Evil not stupid

The federal judge whom white supremacist Matthew Hale attempted to have murdered found her husband and mother lying dead in her house when she returned home Monday night, police said.

Judge Joan H. Lefkow returned to her house in the 5200 block of North Lakewood Avenue after work and found the bodies of her husband, attorney Michael F. Lefkow and her mother, Donna Humphrey, lying in blood in the house, police said.

Detectives, U.S. Marshals and FBI agents rushed to the scene and were investigating the deaths as a "death investigation," police said. Other family members may also have been present when the bodies were discovered, neighbors said.

Police sources were cautious about describing the deaths Monday night, and said it was too early to say how the victims were killed.

Michael F. Lefkow was an attorney in private practice. He was deeply involved in the Episcopal church and ran unsuccessfully for Cook County judge in 2002. Neighbors said they did not know whether the judge's mother was living with the family. The Lefkows married in 1975 and have four daughters.

Hale, the 33-year-old founder of the World Church of the Creator was arrested in January 2003 and charged with soliciting Judge Lefkow's murder a month after she had held him in contempt of court. Based largely on testimony from Hale's "security chief," a jury convicted Hale of soliciting the judge's murder in April 2004.

U.S. District Court Judge James Moody is scheduled to sentence Hale on April 6. Hale is currently being held at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in the South Loop.

Evidence in the case against Hale included an email he sent the security chief, Thomas Evola, asking for Lefkow's home address. The address was posted on a white supremacist web site.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-050228lefkow,1,4091866.story?coll=chi-news-hed&ctrack=1&cset=true

no these guys are real-why is timmy`s brother and his clowns not in jail?

I bet they are extreme anti-government wack jobs that hate Bush and Republicans and pretty much everybody.

The GOP says that. Reality doesn't.

:silly:

Voice of America article in this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1273679

says racism exists in the U$. Article on adoption of Black babies by French, Canadians, etc. not adoptable in the U$.

Scary, are we going backwards?!

'Nuff said.

what humans do to each other.:scared:

despite what the Bushites would have us believe.

And Hale will probably see minimal time in jail.

nt

...you posted a duplicate story from one posted earlier

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1273469


Also, you posted a few to many paragraphs from the same article. The moderators like you to keep it down to about 4 or 5 paragraphs.

this is just so fucking brazen. killing anyone is fucked up, but this woman's husband and mother?

things like these make me lose a little more faith in humanity.

The first Gulf War pretty much gave me my introduction to the inhumanity of man and their governments. The second war under * pretty much sealed it for me. And it’s not like that I wasn’t aware of the Holocaust. But silly me, I thought we had moved on.

And it’s not like we didn’t get “gentle” reminders of the depravity that can exist and exert itself from the “human population” in countless incidents from Oklahoma City to Columbine. And this is yet another of some sort.

I do not support the death penalty, even for those that committed this crime or our own lying, war criminal administration. However, if this is not a wake-up call to aggressively pursue and prosecute the perpetuators of hate crimes; it will be a wake-up call of another sort. Our great society and democracy is fucked. But maybe you already knew that.

Finally, I am so sorry for the family. My heart goes out to them.

I'm so sorry for her and that whole family. How very, very sad.

and how horrifying for this poor woman. nobody should have to live this kind of nightmare.

:cry:

every fbi agent in the midwest is up right now going over the files they have on the neo nazi and white power groups in the midwest. everyone one in their files will be questioned. these guys will not stop untill the killers are found...i hope they get everyone of these scumbags.

Are the FBI really gonna trouble themselves too much over a white, Christian terrorist? There are innocent Muslims who need to be harassed, you know.

The FBI (Ashcroft) spared no expense to catch the Anthrax Mailer.

This was a terrorist attack on Washington DC that has been forgotten, like OBL.

Thank goodness they spared no expense to catch him!

IIRC, he was indeed caught.

I wrote MSNBC about it. Pisses me off that they try to couch it that way...not, Judge, one-time target of white supremacist, finds family members dead.....

Maybe it's just me.

"The Chicago Sun-Times reported that the two victims are the judge's husband and 89-year-old mother. It doesn't name the source of the information.

Police would not say if the deaths are related to Lefkow's involvement in the case of a white supremacist convicted last year of soliciting an undercover FBI informant to kill her. Lefkow received police protection after white supremacist Matthew Hale, 33, was arrested in January 2003.

Hale remains behind bars. He was convicted last year and is awaiting sentencing.

Prosecutors alleged that Hale was angry after Lefkow ruled that he could no longer use the name World Church of the Creator for his group because another organization had a copyright on that name."

- So the guys who burn down empty buildings in ecologically sensitive areas are our nations #1 domestic terrorist threat when religious conservatives murder the families of Federal Judges? Conservative media much?

she is a thorn in the neocon agenda's side.

dawning my asbestos suit

US Senator Dick Durbin - Press Release
www.senate.gov/~durbin/PressReleases/000309a.htm

DURBIN TO RECOMMEND LEFKOW FOR FEDERAL JUDGESHIP
Washington, D.C. — U.S. Sen. Dick Durbin today announced he is recommending that President Clinton nominate U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Joan Lefkow for a seat on the federal district court for the Northern District of Illinois.

The vacancy on the bench was created by U.S. District Court Judge George Marovich taking senior status. Judge Lefkow was recommended by Durbin following a judicial selection process in which a merit commission forwarded three finalists to Durbin. He also consulted with U.S. Sen. Peter Fitzgerald (R-IL) in making the recommendation.

"As a federal magistrate and bankruptcy judge, Judge Lefkow has gained the experience necessary to successfully serve on the federal bench," Durbin said. "She has served the Northern District of Illinois with integrity and has gained the respect of her colleagues. I am honored to recommend her for consideration by President Clinton."

Judge Lefkow is currently a U.S. Bankruptcy Court Judge in the Northern District of Illinois. She has served as Bankruptcy Court judge since her appointment in October, 1997. Prior to her appointment to the U.S. Bankruptcy Court, Judge Lefkow served as a U.S. Magistrate Judge in the Northern District of Illinois.

Judge Lefkow received her undergraduate degree from Wheaton College in Wheaton, Illinois and her law degree from Northwestern University School of Law. Lefkow is married and has four children. Prior to assuming the post of Magistrate Judge, Judge Lefkow was the Executive Director of the Cook County Legal Assistance Foundation, an instructor at the University of Miami Law School, Chief Administrative Law Judge for the Illinois Fair Employment Practices Commission, and attorney with the Legal Assistance Foundation of Chicago.

Chicago attorney Martin R. Castro served as chairman of the judicial nomination commission that recommended finalists to Durbin.

antrax proved an ineffective tool to keep our liberal reps and judges fearful...she is a thorn in the neocon agenda's side.

just my $0.02 and my gut!
tightening my tinfoil and dawning my asbestos suit

SEN. DURBIN RECOMMENDED LEFKOW FOR FEDERAL JUDGESHIP

http://www.goldbergkohn.com/CM/PressReleases/PressReleases461.asp
Aug. 24, 2004

Goldberg Kohn Achieves Landmark Victory
for Cook County Children in Pro Bono Case

CHICAGO—In a landmark victory for 600,000 low-income children in Cook County, Illinois, Federal Judge Joan Humphrey Lefkow issued a decision late yesterday finding that the Illinois Department of Public Aid and the Illinois Department of Human Services have violated and continue to violate the rights of Medicaid-eligible children in Cook County to receive health care. Specifically, the judge ruled that the state has failed to deliver the preventive health services to which children are entitled under the federal Medicaid program, commonly known as Early and Periodic Screening, Diagnostic, and Treatment services (EPSDT). The state has also failed to provide these children with access to care that is equal to the access of care of privately insured children.

In the broadest challenge to date against any state for its administration of the Medicaid program, lawyers for the children argued that because of the state's failure to comply with federal law, a majority of Medicaid-enrolled children in Cook County did not receive sufficient, medically necessary health care, including preventive care, and that a third or more (at least 200,000 children) did not receive any preventive health care at all. According to Frederick H. Cohen, a principal of Goldberg Kohn and the lead trial counsel on the case, "Access to quality medical care is a real and pervasive problem in urban areas such as Cook County. There is a critical need for change in the health care delivery system for our most vulnerable children, and this class action lawsuit proved that the state of Illinois must do better."

Judge Lefkow has scheduled a hearing for September 14 to address the changes that the state must make to comply with its obligations to the children under federal law.

The case was originally filed in 1992 by lawyers who were previously at the Legal Assistance Foundation of Metropolitan Chicago and now are with two public interest groups, the Sargent Shriver National Center for Poverty Law and Health & Disability Advocates.<1> The case was stayed for years, however, to accommodate the state of Illinois' efforts to reform.

As of 1999, no changes had occurred and the public interest groups sought to revive the case. In 2000, Chicago law firm Goldberg Kohn Bell Black Rosenbloom & Moritz, Ltd., learned that the case was still pending. After investigating the case and meeting with the public interest group lawyers, the firm agreed to commit its services on a pro bono basis.

In the four-week-long trial, lawyers for the children presented extensive evidence of the state's continued failure to deliver adequate access to health care. In a detailed 102-page written opinion, Judge Lefkow explained the meaning of "equal access" to medical care under the law: "he plaintiffs are entitled to access equal to that of children with private insurance." The court expressly concluded that: "The plaintiffs have met their burden of establishing that the defendants have violated their rights by failing to provide them with equal access to medical services. Plaintiffs simply do not have access to medical services which is equal to that of privately insured children."

In addition, Judge Lefkow ruled that the state has failed to establish "a Medicaid program designed to provide all EPSDT services to all Medicaid-enrolled children on a timely basis." Under the EPSDT program, the state is obligated to provide certain medical services, including well-child examinations and immunizations, and must "effectively" inform all eligible individuals of the availability of the EPSDT services." In concluding that "The plaintiffs have shown that they are not being provided EPSDT services under the defendants' state plan," the court expressly found, for example:

Of the Medicaid-eligible children who should have received six screening exams during their first 11 months of life, 60.6 percent received two exams or fewer, with 43 percent not receiving a single exam.
Of Medicaid children in Cook County between the ages of 11 months and 23 months, 77.9 percent did not receive a blood lead-screening test (although all should have received one).
Of those who should have received hearing exams between 47 months and 59 months of age, 93.6 percent did not receive one (although all should have received one).
The court also ruled that the children class proved that the state's attempt to improve access to health care by utilizing managed care organizations has failed. Currently, less than 15 percent of Medicaid-eligible children receive care from managed care organizations. The rate at which children on Medicaid receive early preventive screening from managed care organizations is no better than the rate for children on Medicaid who are not in managed care.

According to John Bouman, director of advocacy of the Shriver Center and co-counsel on the case since 1996, the implications of the state's failures are far reaching. "Preventive health care, early treatment of acute illnesses, and amelioration of chronic illnesses early in life may prevent more costly and personally challenging health problems later."

For example, a child who is not screened for hearing loss at an early age is at significant risk for speech and language deficiencies. Similarly, a child who does not receive early blood tests to detect lead poisoning is at risk for inpatient hospitalization, invasive chelation treatment, and subsequent developmental delays or permanent harm.

Due to the state's violation of federal law, records show that Medicaid-enrolled children are more likely than young children not on Medicaid to have elevated blood lead levels.

The reasons behind the state's failures to deliver equal and adequate health care services are numerous.

There are no established, uniform procedures to effectively inform Medicaid eligible families about the state's health care program for children, known as Healthy Moms/Healthy Kids.
Written notices and information materials are not adequately tailored to families with low literacy levels or poor English skills, and the materials that do exist are haphazardly distributed.
The state has failed to use sufficient oral methods to supplement written materials and has not sufficiently utilized outreach and case management activities to capture those who fall through the cracks.
Exacerbating these deficiencies is the fact that there are not enough doctors to serve all those who are in need, primarily due the state's failure to fairly reimburse doctors.

In 1992, the Department of Public Aid noted that increasing provider participation would be a major focus and would be accomplished by providing incentives for participation such as increased reimbursement rates. Nonetheless, the rates are still inadequate. According to Cohen, "Reimbursement rates are currently about 50 percent of any appropriate benchmark, and the state of Illinois' reimbursement rates do not even cover the overhead costs of providing care, much less provide any remuneration to the treating physician. It is unrealistic to think that doctors would provide adequate access to Medicaid recipients when these doctors lose money on every Medicaid patient they see." Indeed, Judge Lefkow said: "Rates and equal access simply cannot be divorced."

Cohen says that Goldberg Kohn is extremely pleased with the outcome and remains fully committed to seeing this matter through to its conclusion, including enforcement of Judge Lefkow's decision. "We still have a significant amount of work ahead of us in our fight on behalf of the children, but we are confident that the parties can work together toward improving the delivery and quality of the state's Medicaid program."

Lawyers for the children class believe this decision will resonate across the country.

I doubt it since the perps are part of his base.

Your ecoterrorists have a pattern and history of violence. There are also right wingers with a history of violence, but they don't all go under one banner or for one cause (abortion, racism, religous fundamentalism).

They only destroy structures, making sure no one is inside/nearby. If those religious terrorists who flew those planes into those buildings had struck an empty barn in Nebraska with empty planes there would be no terror, only bewilderment (imagine a war on bewilderment!).
People must be harmed or attempted to be harmed for fear/terror to emerge.

The entire world is bewildered on the reason for it.

I feel like we are in the TWILIGHT ZONE.

Christian Terrorists? Much like the Islamic Terrorists we hear so much about, these guys are extremists who use a perverted form of an otherwise peaceful religion to spread hate.

Of course, you'll never hear the term Christian terrorist from the MSM. It might make too many people uncomfortable.

Are you suggesting that ALL Muslims are not terrorists? What a concept! Have you told the media this? Wait, does this mean that Iraq and the Iraqi people are NOT the same as al qaeda (spelling?)? GET OUTTA TOWN!

:D

Interesting that no one uses that phrase,I agree.And they probably never will.

I read that they believe Christianity is a Jewish conspiracy (so did Hitler)

I guess you could call them Christian terrorists, but their cause appears to be race, not religion.

is central to their religion.

Christianity? So all christians are racists?

These guys practice a religion that they call Christian and is based on the supremacy of white people. They also believe that Jesus was the son of a god and was sent to die for humanity's sins. This makes them Christian. So, they are Christian and they are terrorists. This does not mean that all Christians are terrorists, but these certainly are.

affords them certain rights and protections their groups would not otherwise have.

is certainly all of the above-christian and racist. If I remember correctly they basically use the same passages in the bible that were once used to justify slavery and the white power movement. It's certainly a terrorist organization not unlike al qaeda. Not all christians are terrorists or racists but everyone in this particular organization is. when I was living in Bloomington IN this Hale person ordered a young man to kill basically any immigrant or african-american he could find. The kid shot several people outside of a Korean church in Bloomington, then shot his way up to chicago where he wound up killing, amongst other people, the former Northwestern University basketball coach. I may have my order of events backwards. But either way you cut it they should be terrorists. Race is the central aspect of this "churches" teachings.

They are not. Creators take a harsh view of Christianity as well. Unlike some others on the far right --notably Identity adherents -- who find biblical justification for their bigotry, Creators see Christianity as a "concoction" of Jews that has been used as a "tremendous weapon in the worldwide Jewish drive of race-mixing."

www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/WCOTC.asp?xpicked=3&item=17


Even if they were, that would not mean that all Christians are racists. You made a pretty big leap, there...

Stuckinthebush did.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1274222&mesg_id=1274238&page=

as part of the "jewish conspiracy" and they were the one pure group. Good find. I'll have to read that. This makes them even scarier than before. Terrorist is as terrorist does.

Along with racism, they hold to a stringent atheism. And far from being conservatives, they are sort of anarchists who call for race war.

wondering about the definition of 'conservative'

It bugs hell out of me to hear these assholes referred to as any form of religion--let alone Christianity. They are RACISTS--nothing more. Just as it is wrong to say ala Muslims are extremists and terrorists, it is wrong to ever call these guys anything but terrorists.

Maybe I am more sensitive to this given that fact that Matt Hale was here in Champaign for a while. Maybe I'm more vehement because I watched him tear up this community with his hate. It could be that I am still angry because one of his sycophants killed a U of I student simply for having brown skin...

That little fuck spread his hate and his brand of trash in my town and I will NEVER forget that, nor will I ever be happy until he consistently is called the racist terrorist that he is.


Laura

Besides espousing white power, the World Church of the Creator is vehemently anti-religion, including Christianity (but especially Judaism). By "church" ,they mean a kind of white person's felloship; by "creator", they mean that individuals themselves "create" their own world. Something like that.

Anything that concentrates power. Believing the white race is superior concentrates power in white people. We all have some degree of conservatism in us because we all have the same basic DNA. We all have a more primitive part of our inner brain in which conservatism resides, that is in constant battle with our cerebral cortex which is where liberalism resides, our "higher" brain functions. Conservatism is "fight or flight" (simple jingoistic sloganeering, easy politics)and liberalism is analytical (which makes for bad politics but makes great science and is our salvation). Now we can't remove our primitive conservative brain or we stop breathing. Our advanced liberal brain just has to win out, which it does when you "think about it" instead of just reacting (thus the label "reactionary").
Not all conservatism is bad. WWII was a whole lot of conservatism being exercised around the world. Liberal Democracies won by being "better" at acts of conservatism (the "good" war). If someone breaks into your house planning on committing acts of conservatism (thievery, murder, rape, etc...) one has every right to commit an act of conservatism and kill the intruder. I got a whole lot more, but if you use your liberal instincts and think about it, most of our political dialog fits right in with these ideas.

George Wallace = conservative
Every past and present member of the KKK = conservative

But you have a good question. What makes a conservative?

and he insisted that there were physical differences between Jews and gentiles that proved Jewish inferiority. He said about a Jewish audience member "Look at the shape of his head! It makes me want to vomit!"

The Nazis did the same thing. There is a memorable scene in the movie Europa, Europa where a Jewish boy, hiding in plain sight in a Hitler Youth school, is called to the front of class and shown off as an exemplar of Aryan physiognomy.

As attorney general of the United States of America I respectfully suggest you stop prosecuting people for the sale of vibrators and porn and use the might of your office to come down like the wrath of the God you purport to know and love upon the terrorists, i.e. the homegrown ones that did this....

I bet there is no Iraqi, Syrian or Iranian connection. Start looking under the rocks here in America.

and she was targeted, more or less, on supremacist web sites...

snip>
An Internet search of supremacist discussion forums Tuesday found links to photos of Lefkow's husband and daughters, as well as excerpts from Michael Lefkow's biography from the Web site for his law office. Some new postings had articles about the killings with the comment ``RAHOWA!'', meaning ``racial holy war.'' Others speculated that the government was behind the killings.

In one 2003 discussion on a white nationalist Web site, members talked about the case against Hale and posted the Lefkows' home address.

http://nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Judge-Bodies.html?ei=5094&en=a47ce7f369b7e8b9&hp=&ex=1109739600&partner=homepage&pagewanted=print&position=

American ultra-rightists, like 1930's-vintage "fellow travelers" who saw no peril in Stalinism, see no enemies of the American republic to their political right.

since the White Power people tend to side with anybody who hates and kills Jews.

WAY over the line.

To clarify: He stepped outside of the bounds of the law and due process. At that point, it's time to just get rid of him.

namely that he's in prison.

those rights you are so willing to trash to go after him are the same rights you might need one day.

obviously.

But he just gave up his rights when he attacked the legal system that was protecting him. He murdered two people to undermine the rule of law itself.

What...you gonna put him in front of another judge?

Way, way over the line, there. Forget it. No more trials for him.

considering that his communications are undoubtedly monitored, I think he'd have real technical problems actually ordering a hit. And given the results of the recent trial and conviction of a terror suspect's attorney for passing information, I doubt that route was open to him. We'll have to see how this plays out, and what evidence may be presented in a court of law. And yes, you do indeed put him in front of another judge. Otherwise, you're no better than they are.

I've yet to see any evidence actually linking him to it. Conjecture? Sure. But probable cause? Nope. Yeah, he had a reason to hate the judge. Yeah, he's in jail for trying to arrange to have her killed previously. But due to his current status as a prisoner, and the way prisoner communications are monitored, I'd need to see some evidence that he actually got the person or persons responsible for the actual killing to do it. It's not enough in our system to say "he had a reason to kill" and expect that to be enough evidence.

Now if they go through his correspondence from behind bars (which I'm sure they have copies of) and review the tapes of conversations he had with visitors and find something to suggest that he actually arranged the hit, even if it's in code, fine, that's a federal offense that's eligible for the death penalty. Try him and fry him upon conviction in a fair public trial. But lynch him? No way.

Our system has been attacked in this manner before. I know a judge who survived an assassination attempt by bomb. Such attacks simply don't work to destroy the system. They never have, even when the target was killed. For us to allow such attacks to destroy our system by engaging in a lynch mentality would be for US to destroy our own system, not the asswipes who killed those people. And THAT, my friend, would truly be high tragedy.

here in Bloomington and Peoria this guy Hale is a serious villain. There's really no doubt in my mind that, at the very least, even if he didn't expressly order this hit, his followers did this because they knew he wanted them to. The rivalry between this judge and him has been going on for quite awhile.

Basically, everyone here knows that he did it (or, again, and unlikely, just his followers because they knew he wanted them to). There's not even a question.

"There's not even a question."

Think about what you're saying. You're saying that it's OK to lynch people because of PUBLIC PERCEPTION.

I don't give a shit if the person in question is Satan incarnate, with George Bush, Adolph Hitler, Joseph Stalin, and Saddam Hussein all rolled into one in the same body. EVERY defendant deserves and MUST BE GIVEN DUE PROCESS OF LAW, PERIOD. ANY other system is unjust. And for the government to treat ANY criminal, no matter HOW outrageous their actions are, in a manner that deprives them of their constitutional protections is CATEGORICALLY UNACCEPTABLE, PERIOD.

If you use the same tactics as the Badguys do, you're no better than the Badguys, and you're CERTAINLY no longer one of the Goodguys.

I understand that you're outraged and upset about this. But destroying the part of the system that is good is not the way to remedy the situation, ANY situation.

Bull, he hasn't been convicted. Hell, he hasn't even been charged yet. And yet you are announcing his guilt, with such surety that you're trying to pronounce sentence upon him and are calling for your sentence to be carried out.

It's called RULE OF LAW, and you KNOW better.

But this is really, really serious shit.

I don't believe old Charley ever murdered anyone, or was ever at the scene of a murder.

Our system still worked.

To lynch him is an admission that our system of laws and protections are invalid in certain circumstances. That is the same logic that the NeoCons are using to justify their immoral and illegal wars.

Arrest

Charge

Trial in PUBLIC court of Law


Bill Clinton caught ALL the terrorists involved in the first WTC.
They were publically tried in OUR Courts, just like it says in the Constitution.

Our system works when used like it was designed.

(if we can catch them alive).

This is more than just terrorism, though. He...I want to say this is treason. Still not the right word.

But he attacked the system itself. On 9/11, our way of life was attacked, thousands of innocents died. But, this guy- he may have only killed two people, but what he did...He undermined justice, and the process.

I dunno. Just let me settle down.

Bull,

He's right--Hale deserves a trial.

It pains me to say it--and I am one of the first to say I think that little f*%k may be one of the only people I can think of who MIGHT deserve the death penalty.

We live here in this state and we have been cleaning up his crap for too long. We've seen him go into our towns and stir up anger and hate, and we've helped to mourn the victims of his followers. I seriously thought that maybe the worst of his damage was behind us when he was convicted of trying to hire a killer for a Federal Judge--ya know? I'm just horrified at this last mess.

I also know that I could not pass a death sentence for him based on what little I know now about this most recent case. I just can't abandon the legal system, even IF it is flawed (and lord knows, the Illinois legal system has not got the best track record for accurate convictions...)

I understand exactly why you are angry, and I understand exactly why you respond the way you do. I also realize that this is immediate anger rather than the righteous anger of a person who has passed an informed judgment.

Peace to you, and here's hoping we see that little snake de-fanged soon.


Laura

'Church of the Creator" lunatic outfit terror campaign?


Associated PressYellow police tape surrounds the home of U.S. District Judge Joan Humphrey Lefkow Tuesday.
CHICAGO – A U.S. District judge who was once the target of a failed murder plot by a white supremacist was under federal protection Tuesday as authorities investigated the shooting deaths of her husband and her mother.
U.S. District Judge Joan Humphrey Lefkow found the bodies of Michael F. Lefkow, 65, and the judge's mother, Donna Humphrey, 89, about 6 p.m. Monday when she returned home from work, according to authorities and her friends.
Authorities gave no indication that the deaths were related to the case of white supremacist Matthew Hale, who was convicted in April 2004 of soliciting an undercover FBI informant to kill her.



http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/nation/20050301-0940-judge-bodies.html

i am suitably chagrined.
I have brought shame on my ancestors.

I guess they're too busy taking names on the DU website to bother with the security issues that people in this country face from the Real Radical Extremists edged on by Ann Coulter, Falwell, and the rest of their ILK. This is sickening.

:tinfoilhat:

everybody read !!

http://www.rense.com/general63/dcwho.htm

What is with a bunch of posts with this date?