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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 07:03 PM
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New Russian Nuclear Missiles Irresistible — Defense Minister
Edited on Tue Mar-01-05 07:04 PM by Minstrel Boy
New Russian Nuclear Missiles Irresistible — Defense Minister

Created: 01.03.2005 19:37 MSK (GMT +3), Updated: 20:02 MSK, 6 hours 44 minutes ago
MosNews

There is no missile defense system in the world able to repulse new nuclear missiles that are being developed in Russia, defense minister Sergei Ivanov said on Tuesday.

“We know exactly what we already gain while developing such missiles. There is no defense from these missiles,” Russian Information Agency Novosti quoted the minister as saying.

Speaking to journalists, he added that Russia does not aim to attack any state with the new weapons.

...

Ivanov said Russia is against U.S. military bases at Georgian territory. “We see no sense in those bases,” the minister said.

http://www.mosnews.com/news/2005/03/01/ministermissiles.shtml
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 07:05 PM
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1. Huh? What was the 'great defense' from the old missiles? Tin foil hat?
This is not news. Nukes are nuclear!:nuke:
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Charles19 Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 08:50 PM
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6. Hehe yah someone may want to tell the Russians there
isn't any missile defense for them "work around".

I guess as long as the Russians pretend U.S. has a missile defense and the U.S. pretends the Russians are working around it, they can both continue to justify their ridiculous defense budgets.

Wow, just like the good old days.
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Conservativesux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 09:40 PM
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13. Does this mean we get to see "Red Heat II " with Arnold Swartzenneger?
LOL !!!!
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chickenscratching Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 09:42 AM
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37. nooo...duck and cover! works like a charm everytime... n/t
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mordarlar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 07:09 PM
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2. We make them but do not intend to use them. UGH!
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 07:13 PM
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3. I'll see your pair.......and raise ....?
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 08:06 PM
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4. IF THEY ARE IRRESISTABLE...
Then I simply MUST have one.

or two.
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Q3JR4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 08:35 PM
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5. Hmmmm...
Is that a missile in your pocket? You know, I find those irresistible!
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 08:54 PM
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7. I get it, the cold war didn't really go away either!
Seems like the US doesn't have any friends anymore, except Allawi and Karzai.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 08:59 PM
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 09:10 PM
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9. If you think that the "missile defense" is going to protect you
Edited on Tue Mar-01-05 09:11 PM by The_Casual_Observer
from a North Korean attack, I have a gold plated humvee I would like to sell you.
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 12:13 AM
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33. Of COURSE we'd like protection from such things
The trouble is, we aren't going to get any protection from a "missle defense shield", it's just a method to funnel billions of tax dollars to defense contractors.

They want your governments money, and they will do anything to get it. Worried about Social Security? They've got a plan! North Korea scare you? They've got a plan! Are you a senior citizen? Worried about prescription medication costs? They've got a plan! The trouble is that when you take a closer look every plan they offer means looting your governments tax dollars and your pocket as well, while offering you nothing in return (and sometimes less than nothing).

It's not even a very good con job really. It amazes me that people keep falling for it.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 09:25 PM
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10. Did the Soviet Union really crumble?
Or did the Bear go into hibernation and emerge as technologically advanced as America? What a nightmare, we let our hubris destroy our edge over the rest of the planet. I blame St. Reagan and his crew of thugs!
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Conservativesux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 09:35 PM
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11. The Russians are very cleaver. Reagan had nothing to do with USSR's fall.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 09:40 PM
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12. Yes he did, we flat out spent the Russians in the arms race.
They went broke before we did, don't worry it will come here soon. The U.S. is soon gonna find out what it's like to be just another country (bye bye superpower).
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Conservativesux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 09:42 PM
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14. It couldnt have happened to a better country, either.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 10:04 PM
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18. LOL! You bought into that Red Menace crap?
We WASTED 3 TRILLION dollars! Meanwhile China wasted NOTHING and Japan was rebuilt (thanks to us) into a superpower. The ME found oil, and the space race was on.

All the money we wasted on USELESS nukes! But yeah, Stalin was a bigger murderer than Hitler and needed to be fought, Krustav too. I just never bought into the hype.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 09:48 PM
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15. I think that by Reagan arming bin Laden with Stinger missiles to shoot...
...down thousands of Soviet helicopters and planes in Afghanistan played a big role in the USSR downfall. I also think Putin may be in the process of repaying us for that in Iraq. And there won't be anything Bush can do about it either.

[Don
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Conservativesux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 09:54 PM
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17. That weapon that blew a small hole right though an Abrams tank in Iraq..
...was probably a new Russian weapons system.

I am not sure if the Army determined what it was, but perhaps a particle beam or a strong laser weapon.

The Russkies are back in a big way it seems.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 10:21 PM
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22. I think that was some type of Russian RPG using a shaped charge
I think they have been around for a while?

Don
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Conservativesux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 10:44 PM
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24. This hole was about an 1/2" around and went though plate armour...
Edited on Tue Mar-01-05 10:48 PM by Conservativesux
....like it was made of butter.

No way was this any RPG I know of or heard about, but the story below indicates that it might be.

A rail-gun, weapons-grade laser or other beam-type weapon perhaps is my guess.

Whatever it was, it had to be moving extremely fast to do this kind of damage, IMO.

You can read more about it here:

http://mixmail.ya.com/app/message?l=es&o=8&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Earmytimes%2Ecom%2Fprint%2Ephp%3Ff%3D1%2D292236%2D2336437%2Ephp
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 11:24 PM
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26. That's exactly the kind of hole a shaped charge makes. RPG most likely.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 11:40 PM
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29. Sounds like a Russian Kornet-E laser-guided missile
http://www.drumbeat.mlaterz.net/April%202003/Abrams%20tank%20hits%20nasty%20surprise%20040203a.htm

Abrams Tank Hits Nasty Surprise for U.S. Forces

Defense analysts believe the three -- perhaps five -- M1-A2 Abrams tanks which have been disabled so far appear to have been hit by a weapon far more potent than the decades-old RPG-7 rocket propelled grenade.

Instead, it seems the Iraqis -- who say they have knocked out dozens of U.S. tanks -- may be using the Kornet-E, an export version of a Russian laser-guided missile which can destroy tanks fitted with explosive reactive armor. snip

The Kornet-E has a range of around five km (three miles).

The operator uses either optical or thermal sights to track a target, and the missile -- whose warhead first burrows a small hole in a tank and then goes whipping around inside the vehicle -- is guided by a laser beam.

more
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Stella_Artois Donating Member (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 09:31 AM
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36. Lasers ?
What, you think Iraqis were running about with backback lasers ? Like Ghostbusters ?

Thats pretty funny. Its no wonder that these strange ideas spread around the Internet.

The Russians have some pretty exotic RPG's these days. The RPG-7 is 50 years old. Modern shaped charges can defeat 600mm of steel, no problems.

The M1 has state of the art armour, but only the frontal arc can be fully protected, the thing weighs over 60 tonnes as it is. The sides and rear are much much weaker.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 11:35 PM
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 12:02 AM
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32. Those that rewrite history rig elections.
Wow we collapsed the Soviet Union into an unstable commonwealth of nuclear states. All the while pissing away TRILLIONS that could have gone to education, science and the federal infrastructure.

Stupid is as stupid does. :eyes:
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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 09:49 PM
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16. theory: 1989 USSR outstripped it's supply of oil
which is the same scenario the USA faces
this year:

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=49&contentid=1971&page=2

Speaking of math,  I did the oil figures a couple of weeks
ago, and it's worth repeating. Of the the 80 million barrels a
day the world burns, we burn one quarter of that, or 20
million barrels a day. Every five days we burn a hundred
million barrels. Every fifty days America burns one billion
barrels of oil. Every year we burn seven billion barrels. The
US has 28 billion barrels of oil left. If we burned every last drop
of our own oil, and somehow lost access to foreign imports,
our oil would last four more
years.

http://www.kunstler.com/mags_diary13.html
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 10:06 PM
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19. I don't think we are going to make it 4 more years.
nt
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Conservativesux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 10:08 PM
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20. The rich will. But us "little people" might not. BushAmerica at its best.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 10:12 PM
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21. The rich always survive, in one form or another.
They live better than us poor McPeople! :evilgrin:
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 10:42 PM
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23. There is only a trillion barrels left on earth
If we use twenty eight billion barrels a year world wide how many years til we use up a thousand billion? I figure about thirty six years but even double that and it will happen within my grandchildren's day....gulp.
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Conservativesux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 10:52 PM
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25. Soylent Green time is coming sooner then I thought. No oil, no food.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 11:38 PM
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Conservativesux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 11:46 PM
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31. It would be hopeless. Without oil, millions would starve to death.
But maybe you dont care?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 01:01 AM
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 01:15 AM
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35. Cue the music - "Simply Irresistible".
Switch Putin and Parker and you have a video.

American Psycho Soundtrack Lyrics - oddly appropriate.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 10:12 AM
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38. good one
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 10:29 AM
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39. Is this Bush's new arms race?
You know, the one he spawned when he ditched the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty?
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 10:35 AM
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41. Precisely, even the EU is into it now as a counterforce.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 10:30 AM
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40. Irresistible??
does it buy you dinner afterward?
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:03 AM
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42. They fixed the translation: "New Russian Nuclear Missiles Unstoppable "
.
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And yes, as some posters noted

It's sad to think what GOOD could have been done with the US taxpayer's money instead of destroying a defenseless country, and ruining the World's opinion of the US at the same time . .

Take away the threats, bribes, favors and fear, how many countries WOULD would the US have in it's mickey-mouse "coalition"? :shrug:
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Vladimir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:07 AM
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43. Mmm... lemon flavour missiles... n/t
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