DeLay Criticizes AARP on Its Social Security Stance

Republicans attacked the AARP as well as congressional Democrats on Wednesday as they struggled to build momentum behind President Bush's call for personal investment accounts under Social Security.

The AARP, which claims 35 million members age 50 and over, is "against a solution that hasn't been written yet," said House Majority Leader Tom DeLay after a closed-door meeting with the GOP rank and file.

He called the group's opposition to personal accounts irresponsible and hypothetical, adding that it sells mutual funds to its own membership.
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DeLay and Speaker Dennis Hastert also criticized congressional Democrats, who are virtually united in opposition to Bush's plans. "The party of no," Hastert called them.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A830-2005Mar2.html?nav=rss_politics

If Wolfowitz were nine months pregnant and unable to deliver naturally, the doctors could cut him from asshole to cunt w/o drugs, and he still wouldn't feel it.

how can you back a plan that hasn't been written?

on the PLATE. they want to criticize every one else's plan instead of coming out with their own, they are framing the debate again.
every time they ask "what is our plan" we need someone like Dean to respond with "you are the ones proposing a change, lets hear your plan, then we can work from there". the GOP tards are afraid to mention any raise in retirement age, lowering of retirement benefits, raising of FICA taxes, because they WANT THE DEM'S TO SAY IT FIRST. then they can say it was a Dem idea. we should NOT FALL FOR THEIR BULLSHIT....:mad:

And it will screw people to the wall. Surprised?

Here are just a few bullet points:

1. He changes the way SS is set up now basing the amount that goes in not on how much your wages increase over the years, but on how much the "inflation rate" (established by our trustworthy government) rises. So if you get a good job promotion and your wages increase by $10,000 a year, you still put into SS based on the inflation rate amount, not your 20% wage increase. So you lose and your employer wins.

2. If you retire in the year 2075 under the current plan (if we can fix it), you will receive 46% MORE than you will under Bush's plan.

3. The "private" accounts Bush is touting amount to a few very conservative, diversified mutual funds. The government tells you very publicly which funds you can invest your "private" money into.

4. At retirement, most low income people would need to convert that private account into an annuity to have enough income for living expenses. If you have to convert your account with the market is good (say, March of 2000 it was worth $50,000), you come out fine. That same $50,000 converted in October of 2002 would net you $30,000. Quite a difference. You have to be able to hang onto your money until the market is favorable. Not an option for a lot of low income people.

5. If you think Bush has screwed the young people by increasing the deficit now, just wait and see how much debt they will be saddled with if this insane SS plan goes through. In the first 10 years of private accounts, the gov will have to borrow $1.3 TRILLION!!! Over the first 20 years, the borrowings will total $4.5 TRILLION.

SS needs tweaking, but Bush's plan is to screw us all. Many other countries have already tried it and wished they hadn't. Other options

will send the Dept of Homeland Security after the AARP.

Go Channey yourself. What a idiot I would be proud if he was from my state/ right

Fuck him and the horse he rode in on.

DeLay is an arrogant f*cking jerk. Does anybody listen to him anymore?

He's going down once the details of his illegal contributions and slush fund are heard in court.

will only byte you in the arse

Watch and see how many Repugs stand behind him in the next few days regarding his comments.

I bet not one.

What we need is clean fair elections without DeLay.

they're against privitizing Social Security so that makes them against the stock market? Does it make them communists?

Anyone who does not submit to Bush's fascist party line is a commie.

S'right, Dennis. No profiteering. No irresponsibility. No denying of basic human rights.

Get used to it.

"NO!" must be the battle cry against this fascist austerity program. NO! We will not send the old to the gas ovens of privatization.

This exchange  was taken from a press conference in Tampa, FL, Feb. 4, 2005.

WOMAN IN AUDIENCE: "I don't really understand. How is it the new  Security] plan is going to fix that problem?"

PRESIDENT  BUSH: "Because the -- all which is on the table begins to address
the big cost  drivers. For example, how benefits are calculated, for example,
is on the table.  Whether or not benefits rise based upon wage increases or
price increases.  There's a series of parts of the formula that are being
considered. And when you  couple that, those different cost drivers, affecting those
-- changing those  with personal accounts, the idea is to get what has been
promised more likely to  be -- or closer delivered to that has been promised.
Does that make any sense to  you? It's kind of muddled. Look, there's a series
of things that cause the --  like, for example, benefits are calculated based
upon the increase of wages, as  opposed to the increase of prices. Some have
suggested that we calculate -- the  benefits will rise based upon inflation, as
opposed to wage increases. There is  a reform that would help solve the red
if that were put into effect. In other  words, how fast benefits grow, how fast
the promised benefits grow, if those --  if that growth is affected, it will
help on the red."

I must have read that wrong or not read it right.

Busheister's words just reek like a bathroom stall.

(Sorry, I just couldn't help that one)

He just wants to do everything possible to profiteer from his political position.

I hope the man is charged and permanently removed from Congress very soon!!!

You can have private accounts NOW if that is what your little heart desires. Say, like 401K, IRA, etc, etc, etc. IF you use your OWN MONEY for it. What people are OBJECTING to is TAKING IT OUT OF SOCIAL SECURITY. This is NOT A CHOICE. You DO it or you get LESS.

So even if the AARP is promoting Mutual Funds, IT IS A CHOICE using your OWN MONEY, NOT SOCIAL SECURITY MONEY. Hello?

:thumbsup:

Delay is deeply entangled in the Jack Abramoff casino gambling scandal. Abramoff was, until his recent resignation, on the board of United Seniors/USA Next. And USA Next is the drug industry front group that's spearheading the attack on AARP for defending Social Security.

These are not casual connections. These people and groups are all very closely aligned and following a consistent agenda (with a little bit of self-enrichment on the side.)

the iceberg called AARP and Dem opposition.

Really it is. Let them keep on attacking seniors, more power to them. Attacking the elderly and slandering them is not going to win them a single vote. All this does is gives Dems material to work with, if they have the spine to use it.

I know we don't feel "old", that ain't what it's about - if you've hit 50, join the AARP. We can show solidarity with our folks, and help save our kids' futures too. A lot is said about the religious right helping put this administration in power, but a lot of seniors voted for *, too - believing in the "good" of him. They are not after power like the religious wrong; they just bought the Rethug line. If we join (those of us who are "of the age"), we can help make the voice of the AARP good & LOUD against the likes of Shrub and company!

joining AARP. AARP screwed us once, I'll have wait and see if improvement exist in their action not their word.

I'm very leery.....

"I'm going to hit you in the face." "No, I don't want you to hit me." "But I didn't even tell you what I was going to hit you with!"

I don't have to know the specifics to know I don't want private accounts over a gauranteed monthly benefit. We've got the main idea of this plan, Tom.

Republicans are the Party of Blow.

Blow-hards and Blow-jobs (via Gannon) and a President who did blow possibly. They also like to blow up things like other countries and the National Debt.

Tom Delay; what a moron. He says The AARP is "against a solution that hasn't been written yet." Hey Tom, you big dick, since your overwhelmingly for personnel investment accounts that means that your for a solution that hasn't been written yet, doesn't it? The AARP is a lobbyinmg organization, your a representative of the people who took an oath to serve them, which is worse?

Typical BS from the party of Do as I Say Not as I Do.

You'll get yours soon.

the party of NO is here to stay so get used to hearing it! We are just getting warmed up!

From MoveOn....

http://www.bushin30years.org/?id=5136-3796744-_vY9GMkynYwrBow6zidT8g

GO FUCK YOURSELVES! :mad: :mad: :mad:

(and stop with the damn whining already...WAA WAA WAA we can't get our way...WAA WAA WAA)

STUPID PRICKS!

WASHINGTON, March 2 (Reuters) - Republican Congressional leaders, frustrated that President George W. Bush's plan to restructure Social Security is failing to win widespread support, lashed out on Wednesday at Democrats and the country's largest retiree organization, who oppose it.

House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, a Texas Republican, criticized Democrats for refusing to negotiate with Republicans.

He also accused the AARP, which represents people aged over 55 and claims 35 million members, of being "hypocritical" for criticizing private Social Security accounts as too risky while selling mutual funds to its members.

http://www.reuters.com/financeNewsArticle.jhtml?type=bondsNews&storyID=7788417

Crybabies :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

their plan to make life very hard for the working poor, as the working poor age, didn't happen.

Poor little Princes!!:nopity:

What's to negotiate?

NOTHING! there is nothing to negotiate with these theiving a-holes....we will not turn the world's best and most successful social program over TO THE MONEY CHANGERS OF WALL STREET!

SCREW YOU DELAY.

SCREW YOU REPUBLICAN PARTY!

YOU GOT THAT RIGHT!

So much WHINING from the right...GROW UP ALREADY YOU BABIES!

because, of *course* there's no use for the wacky concept of having both Social Security *and* private investments in equities.

Talk about false dichotomies.

"What gives?"

:nopity::nopity::nopity:

...will work compared to the present system, or is it just more smoke and mirrors? Show us the facts and then we'll negotiate!

"We're not going to be sucked into the president's plan to have us have meetings with him on something that is not an emergency," Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid of Nevada told reporters.

He said Bush should be addressing more pressing problems like health care, education and huge budget deficits.

Reid also criticized Federal Reserve Board Chairman Alan Greenspan who reiterated his support for individual accounts on Wednesday and told a House panel that lawmakers should act sooner rather than later.

"What I wish Greenspan would tell the Republicans is what he told us when (Bill) Clinton was president, you've got to do something about the deficit. We did," Reid said.


That's the way to say it!

Has * come up with a PLAN yet? Before we have a proposal, we can't NEGOTIATE ANYTHING! Bunch of whiny-ass hypocrites!

Tom Delay's idea of negotiating is for the Democrats to roll over and let the repukes do what they want to do. What a bunch of bull and f--k you Delay!

those bastards don't see the corporate profits that could be made on the backs of the elderly and poor.
The GOP would love to see the elderly out on the streets like back in the days of the depression.
they would love to see Unions busted to get back to cheap labor, long hours, no breaks, kids working, no benefits.

They would love to see the end to Welfare and Unemployment. the thought of untold numbers of homeless walking the street make them smile from ear to ear. where else are they going to get all the cheap labor to increase their profit margin??

The Republican Party's arrogance is going to be its demise.

...stamped on their lapel holding a meager social security check in one hand and a small annuity check in the other, being pummeled by Tom Delay and other republican talking heads along wit Swift Boat Veterans machine gunning them from their favorite craft captioned, "Turn against us on privatization will you, well take that, Bang, bang, ratta tat tat, boom!" A few military jets and tanks could add to the ambiance of the scene.

Sounds like Bugman needs a crying towel and fresh diaper!

Jerkwads had to figure that someday they'd reach the limit of America's tolerance. But keep overplaying a losing hand, Mr. Delay. We'll be working hard to see that you get lots and lots of free time after 2006 to ponder where it all went wrong.

We need some pest control in Washington.

WASHINGTON, March 2 (Reuters) - Frustrated that President George W. Bush's plan to restructure Social Security is failing to win widespread support, top Republicans on Wednesday attacked Democratic opponents and the country's largest retiree organization.

House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, a Texas Republican, criticized Democrats for refusing to negotiate with Republicans.

(Later)

An opinion poll released on Weds by Pew Research showed public support for private accounts waning. The portion of Americans favoring such accounts fell to 46% in the latest poll from 54% in December and 58% in September.

http://www.reuters.com/printerFriendlyPopup.jhtml?type=bondsNews&storyID=7790219

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Tom DeLay is upset about Democrats not negotiating? Now there's a bit of comedy.

Tom DeLay, a Texas Republican, criticized Democrats for refusing to negotiate with Republicans.


Chug-a-lug some DDT, bug-boy. We don't negotiate with terrorists.

And it seems like the AARP and the old folks ain't buying the crap.....This is going to be a miserable failure..... LMAO

Cry me a fucking river!
:nopity: Boo fucking hoo!
The Republicans made a big mistake and they continue to make it -- they are attacking a known and well-respected non-partisan organization, the AARP. Likewise, they are now suffering for their lack of vision, and I hope this comes back to bite the lousy cocksuckers in the ass next year.

at sucking cock, that is.

Ok, I'm gettin out of the gutter starting... now.

They've over-reached AGAIN! They...how do the lawyers put it...knew, or should have known, that the senior community is the biggest voting block in the country! They managed to piss them off with the scam medicare drug bill, and now they're pissing them off AGAIN with this SS reform shit. They also should know that pay back is a bitch!

I can't wait to celebrate!!!!!!!!!!

It takes either a "financially unsophisticated, economically challenged" leap to equate social insurance with risky private mutual -- or just plain "Tommy Is Mad Texas Cow Chips."

I have had it with Tom DeLay and Bill (The Cat Vivisectionist) Frist.