Gas prices jump (Indiana: 24 cents all at once)

http://www.tribstar.com/articles/2005/03/03/package/package.txt

By Patricia L. Pastore/Tribune-Star

Hours after crude-oil futures exceeded $55 a barrel Thursday on the New York Mercantile Exchange the price of a gallon of unleaded regular gasoline spiked to $2.09 at some Terre Haute stations, an increase of 24 cents.

Gasoline priced at $1.85 was still available by 3 p.m., depending on where motorists stopped to pump gas.

The price of crude oil is driving the price of gasoline higher, said Phil Flynn, vice president and senior market analyst with Alaron Trading of Chicago. He said if crude oil is at a record high, then expect gasoline to follow. Other factors that drive up the price of gasoline are strong economic growth, strong worldwide demand and last year's hurricanes in Florida.

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That said, it sounds like it's still a hell of a lot cheaper than it is here in El Lay....

Raise it on the red COUNTIES first, or better yet, raise it on the horrible repukes first. Make them pay for their damn SUVs and Hummers. Heck, poor, urban people have more use for them (ie potholes and REAL gunfights) than those fucking hypocrites do on their freshly paved streets (which are re-paved every three years). Make it $6 / gal in all red states, with a $4.80 / gal discount if you prove your registration to the democratic party and if you sign a pact with Satan that he can have your soul if you don't vote a straight Dem (or Socialist or
Green or American Revolution Party or CPUSA ) ticket. And keep it $8 / gal on I-75 (the Christ belt) from Detroit to Miami (with the exceptions of Toledo, Dayton, Atlanta, and Democrat drivers).

I have been pying over $2.10 for the longest time. Take that you Hummer driving schmucks. And yes I agree raise it on the red states first....

The price is supposed to be on the oil that has been refined and is sitting in the tank underneath the gas station. This is the rationale the oil companies use when the gas prices stay high even though oil prices or some other factor have dropped. However, the price of gasoline goes up immediately. This is called gouging and it is why companies like Exxon enjoy the highest profits ever made by any company in the world. They completely screw us all and they have the backing of our pres (sic).

Still...I'm glad to see prices high enough to tick off a lot of giant SUV drivers and make the whole country upset at this government.

First of all, no Red state will intervene- and the feds surely won't.

Unless station owners and the oil companies would be reigned in by state law and adequate enforcement, I can see no reason why they shouldn't raise prices as high as they can!

Since ethics and morality are so passe- they should should just milk people for all they're worth, like the robber barons of old.

and released some of the reserves when they tried to pull this shit on him?

The price went back to normal and oil companies kinda whistled like a cartoon character, guilty as sin, but trying to act nonchalant hoping no one notices their misbehavior.

socking it to American workers? Another redistribution of their income. Sock it to the worker and place the profit in W's corporatists pockets.

Sorry to the 39% who voted for Kerry.

I have about 1 million other reasons to get the hell out of here... What's one more? (Although I have no right to bitch about gas here when people would LOOOOVE to have our prices)

the working class? We also have a little Hitler as governor who scrapped collective bargaining for state workers unilaterally.

The one good thing about red states is that the liberals are really liberals, not DINOs.

"The one good thing about red states is that the liberals are really liberals, not DINOs."

I don't know what the heck a DINO is, but I agree completely that liberals in red states walk the walk and are the real deal.

As for charging red states higher gas prices first, well, that's just the latest, greatest form of collective punishment to be touted by some of our more self-righteous friends on this board. Nothing new here.

Good post, Indiana Green!

Duh - I should have been able to figure that one out in the context of the message. Acronyms just aren't my strong suit, I guess!

Most of Indiana is rural--meaning no public transportation option for most lower income workers!

I can't see rejoicing that people will probably go hungry, be cold, or lose their jobs outright because of the jump in gas prices.

For some, there's apparently no greater pleasure than, and no price too high to pay for, getting to say "I told you so."

bush isn't going to deliver on gay marriage, abortion, cheap suv gas, and eventually taxes. freeps will be sorely tested!

Blame the churches, and bad water for that. If they turned on Bush, so would their sheeple.

from $1.86 to $1.95.

And I have to fill up tomorrow :(

...is: what does the price of crude jumping have to do with the gas already in the tank at the gas station? I guess it's kinda like it costs more to make gasoline on the weekends! Someone should investigate...oh yeah, right...nevermind! :eyes:
(/sarcasm off)

wake the fuck up America!

They're getting what they deserve. They need to learn their lesson!

Robin hood in the reverse,,,take from the working class American and give it to the global corporatists, and their king GW Bush.

Southeast Michiganders driving their gas-guzzling SUVs are gonna take it in the ear. Good! (I've never seen a more gas-guzzling area than this, the "Motor City" area. Three-quarters of the private vehicles are SUVs! Nearly every one being driven with no passengers or cargo. It's obscene.)

i wouldn't mind seeing prices top $3.00 and even head toward $4.00. And stay there a while.

I know that's going to hit a lot of people who can least afford it very hard, but on the other hand, it will also shock a lot of folks into getting rational about their consumption patterns and vehicle choices.

Overall, I think the net effect would be positive, and I for one have only crocodile tears for the Chevy suburban and Ford expedition drivers I see around here...

I'm all for higher gas prices if it'll force people to really consider getting more fuel-efficient vehicles. Or even getting investments from companies to do more research into alternative fuels, provided that Bu$h doesn't squash that idea.

that is based entirely on the auotmobile, this is what you deserve. I'd like to see gas stay high for all the reasons mentioned above. Are Americans the dumbest fucks on the palnet or what? If these incredible price increases occurred when Clinton was in office, they'd be erecting a scaffold on the mall.

It's people who get in their '79 Chevies every morning and pray that they will get them to work one more time who will be seriously hurt by the scenario that brings such joy to your heart.

no response, environmental laws being shredded, no response, civil liberties being curtailed, no response, corp america grabbing the country by the ankles and shaking out obscene profits at the expense of the workers, no response etc, ad infinitum. No, it doesn't bring joy to my heart, but if the only thing that will get these poor saps attention away from american idol and the mikey jackson trial is a cruise missle to the pocketbook, then so be it. High gasoline prices haven't warranted a peep out of the people in their '79 chevy's so far. Do you have a better way to to impress the american public of the dire circumstances the country is experiencing?

that you describe with such condescension, since bourgeois Daddy's-Little-Boy types generally don't serve in the military anymore (that's for the "poor saps" to do), so it's a fair bet that a lot of these people know how bad things are. I doubt that all of them are sitting in their trailers eating Cheez Doodles and obsessing over wrestling and Wacko Jacko, as popular DU lore would have it. Trying to make a living in the low-wage economy doesn't leave much time for such things.

Do you have a better way to to impress the american public of the dire circumstances the country is experiencing?

How about we make our case to them directly, as the Right has been doing for forty years while we have talked among ourselves? That's a novel idea.

last great endeavor to spread democrary throughout the world (Viet Nam). Therefore I think that I can criticize the working class without being called condescending and bourgeois, kind of like the way African Americans can ctriicize African Americans without being called racists. Most "working class" people I know don't have a clue about the state of the nation. Safely tucked away in their own selfish, secure cacoon, they really don't give a fuck unless it affects then directly. How do we make our case directly to people that just won't listen?

My local tavern (which I hang out at much too often) is a small town bar populated mainly by blue collar people (construction, carpenters, drywallers, etc.). Most of them voted for shrub, and most of them are otherwise completely apolitical. As long as they have their pickup truck and their beer they are content. There is a huge segment of our population that is just like that. They need something big to happen to force them to join the real world and start caring about things outside of their safe personal experiences.

"They need something big to happen to force them to join the real world and start caring about things outside of their safe personal experiences."

Wow, you make blue-collar life sound really cushy! I guess these people really are, as the Wall Street Journal likes to call them, "lucky duckies."

Sorry, but my experience as one of the Great Unwashed has not been so positive. It involves things like hoping the electricity will still be on when I get home from work and putting off dealing with major health problems because I couldn't afford to do anything about them. (That's how I ended up with a kidney stone more than an inch long, by the way--putting things off for years because I didn't have insurance or a spare ten grand in cash.) That kind of existence is anything but safe and comfortable, much less removed from "the real world."

There are lots of reasons why many poor and working people are often apolitical. People working multiple jobs just to scrape by don't have a whole lot of time to argue news and politics the way we do here. Some people think that politics is irrelevant to their daily lives, and it's not hard to see why, when you consider that neither party evidences much interest in working-class issues once the election is over. When your job has been shipped overseas, the fact that both parties support "free trade" might incline you to think that neither one is really looking out for you. When the new, crummy job you got after the old one was shipped out is being threatened by mass immigration, then the fact that both parties are falling all over themselves to declare what a wonderful thing immigration is, without any attention to its impact on wages, will probably make you think that there's not much difference between the two.

And then, of course, when you tune into Air America and hear Janeane Garafolo and Sam Seder, two privileged, affluent urbanites, having a grand old time making fun of people like you, it just might make you suspect that liberals don't think much of your kind. And if you were to come to a board like DU and read "progressives" arguing that people like you are just too comfortable and dumb and thus need to suffer in order to "join the real world," then you could very well end up thinking that Rush has a point about liberals looking down on Joe Sixpack.

Besides, the notion that the GOP has a lock on working-class voters is a myth anyway. The only income democraphic that Kerry won was voters making under $50k per year. Every other income demographic went to Bush. The fact that Bush has been given a license to wreck the world is much more the fault of pampered middle-class people than working ones. If anyone needs to have their illusions punctured in a dramatic fashion, it's the McMansion/Escalade class.

specifically - and I stand by my opinion. Thanks for the nice lecture though!

Yet another financial hit for the working class, those who are barely making it as it is, MIGHT just further narrow their focus to their own life and how they will survive day to day. Washington, DC, becomes a very far away place when an eviction notice is tacked to your door, or utilities are cut off for nonpayment.

It is so easy to say that the poor (or African Americans or any number of other groups that many Democrats love to blame for "voting against their own self-interest") should get a clue and take responsibility for making significant political change in this country. What are they to do? Stage rallies in between their three jobs? Bend their senator's ear at the next country club luncheon they have together?

Just food for thought.

Is, as you say, many of them are working several jobs.

More than likely, they have no paid leave, and if they're out of work to vote or anything, they'll get docked a few hours. If you're making minimum wage or not much above it, that can really hurt.

Also, some of them may not have transportation to the polls.

to their lives. That's understandable, considering how long it's been since any national political figure made a serious effort to reach them and how both parties have been complicit in policies that hurt working-class voters, like NAFTA, bankruptcy "reform," etc.

And welcome to DU! You do not have a profile available, so I don't know how long you've been a member, so I just guessed that with 19 posts you are new.

n/t

where they don't have to drive more than a few miles at the most to get to work (at least where I live). This will have the most effect on those living in the 'burbs, driving those gas-guzzling behemoths 30+ miles to work each day, getting 8 mpg city, 10 highway. Don't get me wrong, higher prices will have an effect on all of us, but more of an impact on the type of people that I described above. And that's who I want it to affect.

And don't think that only the rich are republicans. There's plenty of middle-class repubs out there up to their eyeballs in mortgage payments. Something like this will send a message to those people (I hope).

and they generally don't live real close to work. I used to live in the sticks--because that's the only place I could afford to live, thanks to the rich "snowbirds" who bought up my town and doubled the cost of living there--and going to work or the grocery store was a 40-mile round trip.

Poor people in the country will be devastated by higher gas prices. Longterm there will be benefits, of course, but in the short term the most vulnerable among us are going to get hurt bad.

without some pain for someone, you're sadly mistaken. I have a car that guzzles gas, not because it's huge, but because it's an old junker and there's something wrong with it.

It will hurt me, too. But if the pain from high gas prices falls disproportionately on the backs of the SUV owners, it's all to the good, because I didn't vote for that hideous insect.

to be put out much by gas going up .25 or .50 a gallon, so it is hardly likely--or even possible-- that "the pain from high gas prices" will fall "disproportionately on the backs of the SUV owners."

The pain will fall where it always does: on those who are already hurting.

no matter what.

I think it might be worth enduring Great Depression II if it would bring down the parasites that are pillaging this country and the rest of the world. But, of course, the rich emerged unscathed from the first Great Depression, just like they mostly came through the Civil War with their wealth and power intact. People with that much money are protected from everything, it seems.

When I'm in my darker moods I think that nothing can touch them. But then I remember that the people got fed up once and curbed the power of men like John D. Rockefeller and J.P. Morgan. And then I remember that the sense of class-consciousness that Americans had back then has been obliterated by a century of redbaiting and that the Left no longer has the ideological apparatus that it had back when unions were strong and journalists actually muckraked. And so on.

Honestly, I don't know what is going to happen to this country. I keep trying to convince myself that there's a new Progressive Era coming, but I have my doubts.

Didn't realize you live in my neck of the woods (I read your posts and like them), but I was going to say the same thing. I am not from this state originally, but I've never seen so many people who love their vehicles. They're more attached to them than they are to their kids or spouses! I hope the ones who voted for Bush are happy now.
(But I'm still glad we're a blue state:)

"Southeast Michiganders driving their gas-guzzling SUVs are gonna take it in the ear."





Would that be aural sex?


Sorry, I had to...

remember when it was $1.60 a gallon during the summer of 2000 and bush was saying how he knew the bidness and would "jawbone' the saudis into lowering prices?

Headline on the Pain Dealer this AM Gas Prices could reach 2.30

Has the price of a Quart of Oil gone up?

to haul the boat I'm anticipating buying this spring... Damn it...

Decisions, decisions....

...and, trust me, that was a heartbreaking decision to make. I really miss her:

Das Billig Boot II (at Shea Stadium Marina - 2002).

Am I right?? Nice boat.. I bet it took a small loan to gas that thing up.. But the pleasures of boating know no costs...

...and, with marina fuel prices @ $2 a gal (in 2003), it would run me about $250 to top her off.

She was a good boat - can't tell you how great it was to anchor in the middle of the Hudson for the day, cranking tunes, sipping wine and :smoke:. I miss it soooooo much...:(

I grew up on the Mississippi in dubuque Iowa... My brother boats there and there's not a better feeling than you cruise up and down the river all day or take up residence on a sand bar..

I love boating....

just keep rising. Pretty soon, these new prices will look really cheap. Unless there is a depression prices will keep rising

sickening

My mother was born in the UP and I have fond memories of visiting the deep woods as a child.. I just love the term upper...

We have been conditioned for the last year to paying $1.70 to $2.00 a gallon.
Now it will hover in this range $2.00 to $2.25 so that eventually $1.99 will seem
like a bargain.

Does anyone know how to find statistics of gas prices over the last 2 years?

Pick your city under the graph...

http://www.portlandgasprices.com/retail_price_chart.aspx

Other factors that drive up the price of gasoline are strong economic growth, strong worldwide demand and last year's hurricanes in Florida.

I hope they're not talking about OUR strong economic growth ... that's nothing but lies and obfuscation.

It sure as hell isn't booming here.

Are these really increases or are they already pricing oil in euros?

When I left for work in the morning, most of the stations were selling regular for $1.87. When I came home, it was $1.97. Good thing I filled up yesterday in Colorado Springs for $1.84.

(I never thought I'd live to see the day that I considered $1.84 a good price for a gallon of gas.....)

yesterday

We were down to 1.799 and then it went to 1.859 and this morning to $2.059.

At least its good for the environment. And there was an article in the paper about how China is working on finding alternative fuel since oil is getting so expensive. Maybe they can come up with something.

i was visiting my ffolkes, and i noticed that the "cheap" gas station(Speedway) was 25 cents higher in price than the BP station across the street from it; and a few blocks further, was a sHell station that had the same prices as the BP.
I mentioned it to my dad that it seemed odd that there'd be such a large difference, and he said that the Speedway station was always the first one to raise or lower prices...
when i left 10 minutes later, I decided to go to the BP to fill-up- but by the time i got there, the prices had jumped by a quarter to match the Speedway station...I floored it to get to the sHell, and luckily their price were still lower- by the time i finished filling up, they had finished changing the prices on the sign, with a 25-cent bump across all grade levels...but i got mine for the lower price:bounce:

Myla Kulyki (sp?) said this from NYMEX.

PEAKOIL PEAKOILPEAKOILPEAKOILPEAKOILPEAKOIL

If you understand how energy and the economy function, you can understand
the reluctance of the mainstream media to report honestly about Peak Oil.
Higher oil prices are directly correlated to a lower Dow Jones index. Thus,
unlike the manufactured crisis surrounding Social Security, a manufactured
crisis surrounding oil supplies would result in a crash of
the markets, not a boost. This would bad for the
corporate interests some claim are behind the "fake Peak
Oil crisis."

http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/

There is NOWAY that money can be made
with unleaded selling for $1.50 NYMEX
and retailing in NWArk for $1.87

Google BRIC to find out what the rest
of the world plans to do about it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1280360

It's a good thing that friendly nations like Saudi Arabia,
Russia, and Venezuela are willing to sell us oil. That way,
we don't have to use up all our remaining oil in four years. And
its a good thing we can pay for that oil in dollars. What else
could we trade for it? Tanning booth hours? Back episodes
of "Sex in the City?" Free day passes to Six
Flags?

http://www.kunstler.com/mags_diary13.html

10:05 030405

$53.92 bbl crude NYMEX
to find what unleaded/gal should be selling for
multiply the above number by $.04
That's the historic ratio.

The refiners supply the oil and demand we pay whatever they want for it.

for those seeking to find cheap or cheaper gas.

http://www.gasbuddy.com/

Check it out! I find it helpful

:)

:wow:

... here in L A

they would be highly defensive and resort to whatever rw talking points they just heard on hateradio.

it is amazing the number of seemingly reasonable people i know who listen/believe hateradio.

Smoke dem mirrors.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7037844/site/newsweek

Imagine: 500 Miles Per Gallon

There have been many calls for programs to fund research. Beneath the din lies a little-noticed reality—the solution is already with us

By Fareed Zakaria
Newsweek

There are billions of gallons in the reserve. He wants to save it "just in case" he says. Clinton used it to force Opec to lower their prices, that wouldn't benefit Bush.

...$2.34 - $2.55 here !:scared: