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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 09:55 AM
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Senate Votes to Ban Canadian Beef
WASHINGTON — The Senate voted Thursday to overturn the Bush administration's decision to allow Canadian cattle into the country again nearly two years after they were banned because of mad cow disease.

The White House said President Bush would veto the measure if it reached his desk, warning that continuing to refuse Canadian beef would damage efforts to persuade other countries to buy U.S. beef.

The Senate's 52-46 vote was to reject the Agriculture Department's decision to begin resuming imports of Canadian cows under 30 months of age beginning next week. A similar measure has been introduced in the House, but leaders there have not scheduled a vote.

"They've got mad cow disease," said Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.). "Now the question is, should we run the risk of opening our border to livestock imports from Canada, when the evidence demonstrates clearly they're not enforcing their regulations to reduce the risk to them and to us?"

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/politics/la-na-madcow4mar04,1,791387.story?coll=la-news-politics-national
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reichstag911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 09:57 AM
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1. Will this be Incurious George's very first veto?
Edited on Fri Mar-04-05 09:59 AM by reichstag911
He's said that he'll veto it.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 10:40 AM
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2. This is such horseshit! WE don't test for mad cow...we refuse, but they
are "not enforcing their regulations".

Good. Let them damage more trade.
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:40 AM
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3. GOOD - I hope Junior doesn't use his veto power
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There's a new player on the world market aincha heard?

1.3 Billion Customers!

And they are sniffin around our lumber trade

And our Steel

And our (shhh) o-i-l.

So lets get on with it Canada!

Let slide that "partner" that keeps dingin' us with sanctions and tarrifs, and ignores decisions from the WTO

And the West(our western provinces) will have to divorce themselves from that questionable love affair with the United States.

Aw gee!!

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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:49 AM
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4. I don't see the border re-opening
The closed border with Canada nicely makes up for the markets that U.S. cattle producers lost internationally over BSE. To think that Bush and company would re-open the border over some principle of free trade is to believe in the tooth fairy.

The U.S. just isn't looking for BSE, while Canada sort of half-heartedly is. That's the only difference between the two countries, as far as I can see.
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 12:26 PM
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5. Japan has closed its borders to our beef
because of Mad Cow...that cow came from Canada.

Until we can assure folks our beef is safe, they will boycott us; by opening our borders to Canadian beef, our problems will grow.
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 12:35 PM
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6. Could You Please Then Explain
Edited on Fri Mar-04-05 12:35 PM by CHIMO
Why the USDA has said that Canadian beef is safe?
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 12:48 PM
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7. I don't know
but I do know that Kent Conrad, Dem, of a cattle producing state is behind this vote, & others join him in saying Canadian cattle are not safe.
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 12:55 PM
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8. So Is Everyone
Allowed to make the rules for a game while the game is being played? People are just trying to figure out what the rules are before the players decide that they are not going to play the game anymore.

Once everyone knows the rules they can decide if they want to play the game.
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 12:56 PM
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9. Additionally, the agreement is to allow cattle UNDER 30 months old
That means they still have a problem.

And finally, if Bush is against it, then it's probably a good idea.

But don't worry...the Bush-bots in the House will never disagree with their Fearless Leader, so we will get questionable beef, right on schedule.
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 01:13 PM
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10. Thanks
For the explanation.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 01:17 PM
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11. Unless you are a vegetarian, you might want to check out
the standards for checking for BSE in both the US and Canada, including what % of cattle are tested, how often, etc. I think you will be surprised at what you find.

As to the dem senator, the key point you made "from a cattle-producing" area, is simply protecting the sale of US cattle, maintaining the increased prices you are now paying for that beef and keeping the cattle lobbyists happy so they will contribute to his campaign. Both dems and repubs are owned by lobbyists, there is no distinction there, imo.

It is unfortunate some are buying into the disinformation that is being provided as it is hurting both US and Canadian citizens solely for the purposes of fattening the wallets of the Cattle Industry and their lobbyists.

I don't own cattle, don't work in the industry, eat Canadian beef without fear and am really not that concerned if the border doesn't open to our cattle, it will just make us work harder for other markets which we should have been doing anyway to lessen our need to export to the US.

It is the hypocrisy again that is irritating.
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 01:37 PM
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12. I agree totally with you on the hypocrisy
It's always about "special interests." Unfortunately, they now run our govt.

However, after years of "Free Trade" our economic system is really in a mess, so I am looking at it also from a "protection" angle.

It's all very complex, & there are many arguments on both sides.

I also think our country should do more to test animals.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 02:30 PM
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13. The USA has mad cow disease; this is "support our MDS or we won't buy
Cdn beef".

Very well then, Canada; you did the best you could to honor the US-Cdn trade agreement on this issue. America did not.

Now it's time to say FU to the USA and go with the EU.
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