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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 09:58 AM
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Republican media adviser found dead
Republican media adviser R. Gregory Stevens, who recently served as co-chairman of the Bush/Cheney Entertainment Task Force, was found dead Saturday in the Hollywood home of actress Carrie Fisher.
"He passed away here, and in a place where he was loved," Miss Fisher said yesterday from her home in Los Angeles.
Mr. Stevens, 42, was scheduled to attend the Academy Awards in Los Angeles on Sunday night and was staying with Miss Fisher at the time of his death. The Los Angeles County Coroner's Office said yesterday that the cause of death was unknown, pending results of toxicology tests.
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A native of San Clemente, Calif., Mr. Stevens began his career working for the California Republican Party, and later worked on the Bush/Quayle 1988 presidential campaign.
After President Bush's election, Mr. Stevens served as White House liaison to the Department of Housing and Urban Development, where he managed all White House transition issues, according to his official biography.
...
Mr. Stevens served on the 2001 presidential inaugural committee, where he recruited numerous celebrity performers. For the most recent inauguration, Mr. Stevens reached out to Hollywood, trying to invite numerous celebrities to perform.
Before his death, Mr. Stevens said he was unhappy that the Republican National Committee was not more active in establishing ties to Hollywood.

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050303-110422-6672r.htm
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 10:00 AM
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1. now that message won't get to obe wan
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 10:01 AM
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2. What is Princess Leia doing with an Emperor soldier?
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 10:05 AM
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4. I'm so bummed Fisher is hanging out with Repukes....
Ugh.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 10:27 AM
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Well, let's not sell her out too early.
Edited on Fri Mar-04-05 10:28 AM by The Backlash Cometh
Maybe she was using her sexual charms to get some "pillow talk" secrets from him and his heart just couldn't take it.

But then again, there's always the sad possibility that she's continuing her bad choices in men as depicted in "Postcards from the Edge."
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 12:22 PM
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79. Hell, there's 'train wreck' men over on our side, too!
She could've plied me for awhile, I wouldn't mind.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 10:31 AM
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15. Jeri Ryan freed herself from the Borg...
and helped Bharak Obama take charge in Illinois. Carrie Fisher needs to free herself now from the Dark Side too! Perhaps fate is helping her now. I guess the Rethugs had to have some strategy to win support for Star Wars in Hollywood!
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:02 AM
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20. Its like she is taking down the GOP
one agent at a time. You go girl.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:33 AM
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He he he, that funny!
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 01:11 PM
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88. It's too bad that Captain Janeway (aka Kate Mulgrew)
Edited on Fri Mar-04-05 01:13 PM by calipendence
couldn't keep the borg from taking over Ohio there even though her hubby tried as a Dem governor candidate there. Maybe if she'd been part of the "hit squad" and married and brought down a Republican leader in Ohio instead, we might not have the Blackwell curse and corresponding Bush curse plaguing us any more...

I guess someone will rationalize that Theresa Heinz was part of the Republican "hit squad" to keep down Kerry too! :)
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 01:14 PM
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89. You know, I pray every day that truth will eventually prevail.
Because if it doesn't, we'll have to resort to the same dirty tricks that the Republicans have been using for their coups, and it will be the final chapter in the fall of this great nation.
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 03:39 PM
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102. me too
after i pray for my family and my pets, i pray for Light, and Truth in this country.
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captain_change Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 05:25 PM
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125. Doing her patriotic duty
Maybe he was coming and going at the same time, ala Nelson Rockefeller
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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 10:37 AM
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17. Giving him a heart attack?
Maybe she donned that outfit she got from Jabba the Hut. That would certainly be enough to give most sci-fi fans a coronary.

:)

Sorry to be kidding around. I think the article said he was 42? That's too young by my standards.
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EBK Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:33 AM
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41. Darth Vader IS Princess Leia`s dad isn`t he ?? n/t
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TOOLZ Donating Member (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 05:11 PM
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117. Help us Obi Dean Kenobi, you're our only hope!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 10:01 AM
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 03:52 PM
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164. ADIOS
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 10:06 AM
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5. I just lost all respect for Carrie Fischer
Not that I had a whole lot to lose in the first place....
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 10:11 AM
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8. Just because of who she socialized with?
The guy was an entertainment director for God's sake.

It's not like he was a Karl Rove or Frank Luntz.
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 10:27 AM
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13. I have to agree with this
You are known by the company you keep. So now we know she hangs with the Dark Side.

Forever will it determine your destiny.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 10:30 AM
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14. Just because he worked for Bush he's evil?
That's just stupid.

I have good friends who worked on Bush's local campaign and they are the best people you could ever hope to meet, despite their politics.


And are you really claiming you don't socialize at all with any Bush supporters?
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 10:50 AM
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18. Yes. I am claiming that.
I don't socialize with any Bush supporters.

I don't need to. My friends are liberals. I don't hang out with Bush supporters.
If I did, you can be assured politics would never be discussed. In a work situation, or in the group I volunteer for, I stick with the business a hand and stay Germaine to my work or direct involvement.

As far as i am concerned, if some one is a Bush supporter, then I see it as guilt by association. That kind of ends things. I am polite, respectful, considerate but that is as far as it will go. I look in askance at anyone who voted for him twice or this last time. The Bushes are a crime family who place their personal interests over service to the nation. The Bushes are all about connections, privilege and class.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:10 AM
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25. so you think Carville is another "devil"? n/t
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:16 AM
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29. No
Carville is not a Repug.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:19 AM
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30. but he's married to one
what happened to your "guilt by association" theory?

onenote
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:22 AM
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31. Its sad. I had to quit socializing with Carville for JUST that reason.
I am going to miss the long Parcheese games and get togethers where we watched non stop Jerry Lewis movies - but it got too complicated.

I do regret ending my relationship with Carville.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:27 AM
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33. nice try, but
still a miss. The point is that you say that a Dem who socializes with a repub is tainted by "guilt by association". So Carville is tainted, right?

onenote
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:29 AM
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36. Is Carrie Fisher a Dem ?
- or is she a " dim" ?
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:31 AM
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39. don't know
But to use your own words, if you are known by the company you keep, wouldn't that make Carville a "dim" too?

onenote
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:33 AM
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40. Like I said, Carville and I mutually agreed to stop seeing each other.
I got over it with lots of thearpy.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:34 AM
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44. just can't bring yourself to say it can you
cause either you slag Carville or you blow a hole in your holier than thou theory.

onenote
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:39 AM
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51. It just to happens I have a little shrine in my living room
dedicated to Carville. We can't be blaspheming the holy of holies, can we ?
And you may be a tad mistaken. If anything I am a suscriber to an UNholier than thou
theory.

I simply have nothing to do with Repugs that voted for the Chimp.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 03:41 PM
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162. Carville isn't exactly on our side.
Edited on Sat Mar-05-05 03:42 PM by tblue37
He is on his own side. He and Matalin have become a media roadshow. They promote themselves, mostly. It's just that her "side" is winning now.

Carville trashed Dean and also undermined the Democratic party in his "Crossfire" role during the last election season.

He says things that don't help us at all, but that further his own career as a media star.
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SCRUBDASHRUB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 10:55 PM
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140. Longtime Dem. supporter and contributer, per newsmeat.com
Carrie Fisher , 48 (bio)
actress, author $13,500 Democrat


Contributor Candidate or PAC Amount Date
FISHER, CARRIE
BEVERLY HILLS, CA 90210
WRITER CLINTON, HILLARY RODHAM (D)
Senate - NY
NEW YORK SENATE 2000 $250
primary 11/22/99
FISHER, CARRIE
LOS ANGELES, CA 90069
ACTOR BOXER, BARBARA (D)
Senate - CA
FRIENDS OF BARBARA BOXER $500
primary 05/29/98
FISHER, CARRIE
LOS ANGELES, CA 90069
ACTOR/SCREENWRITER DASCHLE, THOMAS ANDREW (D)
Senate - SD
A LOT OF PEOPLE SUPPORTING TOM DASCHLE INC $1,000
primary 03/27/98
FISHER, CARRIE
BEVERLY HILLS, CA 90210
WRITER ACTRESS LAUTENBERG, FRANK R (D)
Senate - NJ
LAUTENBERG COMMITTEE (1994) $1,000
primary 12/31/92
FISHER, CARRIE
BEVERLY HILLS, CA 90210
WRITER ACTRESS LAUTENBERG, FRANK R (D)
Senate - NJ
LAUTENBERG COMMITTEE (1994) $1,000
general 12/31/92
FISHER, CARRIE
LOS ANGELES, CA 90069
ACTOR FEINSTEIN, DIANNE (D)
Senate - CA
VOICES FOR CHANGE '92 $1,000
primary 09/18/92
FISHER, CARRIE
LOS ANGELES, CA 90069
AUTHOR/ACTRESS TSONGAS, PAUL E (D)
President
TSONGAS COMMITTEE INC $1,000
primary 09/02/92
FISHER, CARRIE
W HOLLYWOOD, CA 90069
ACTRESS BROWN, GEORGE E JR (D)
House (CA 42)
FRIENDS OF GEORGE BROWN $1,000
general 10/19/90
FISHER, CARRIE
WEST HOLLYWOOD, CA 90069 GANTT, HARVEY BERNARD (D)
Senate - NC
HARVEY GANTT FOR SENATE CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE $1,000
general 10/17/90
FISHER, CARRIE
LOS ANGELES, CA 90069 HEATH, JOSEPHINE (D)
Senate - CO
JOSIE HEATH FOR U S SENATE INC $1,000
primary 10/17/90
FISHER, CARRIE
BROOKLYN, NY 11201 HEATH, JOSEPHINE (D)
Senate - CO
JOSIE HEATH FOR U S SENATE INC $250
primary 09/17/90
FISHER, CARRIE
BROOKLYN, NY 11201 HEATH, JOSEPHINE (D)
Senate - CO
JOSIE HEATH FOR U S SENATE INC $1,000
general 09/17/90
FISHER, CARRIE
LOS ANGLES, CA 90069 HEATH, JOSEPHINE (D)
Senate - CO
JOSIE HEATH FOR U S SENATE INC $1,000
general 08/30/90
FISHER, CARRIE
LOS ANGELES, CA 90067
ACTRESS ABZUG, BELLA S (D)
House (NY 20)
BELLA ABZUG FOR CONGRESS $500
general 10/23/86
FISHER, CARRIE MS
BEVERLY HILLS, CA 90210
ACTRESS WRITER KENNEDY, JOSEPH P II (D)
House (MA 08)
CITIZENS FOR JOE KENNEDY-86 $1,000
primary 05/15/86
FISHER, CARRIE
BEVERLY HILLS, CA 90212
SELF EMPLOYED
DNC SERVICES CORPORATION/DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE (D) $1,000
primary 10/25/
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cmkramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 12:39 PM
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82. I'm pretty sure she is
Her daughter Billie is named after Bill Clinton. I can't see too many Republicans doing that.
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 12:47 PM
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83. I would love to see an aircraft carrier
named after Clinton. Don't think I do that to one of my kids however.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:45 AM
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53. Carville is also tainted by his association with the DLC, and I'm only
half joking.

I have some friends, a couple, who are bush voters and I'm working on them slowly. Our kids are in the same grades.

If they knew what I know about bush thay wouldn't vote for him. They don't agree with a lot of bush policies but they see him as a fundamentally decent person.

Thay aren't stupid, just uninformed and there is an element about it where they really would rather not know the truth, but that's just an element, not the whole ball of wax.
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:48 AM
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57. You may have a point
Hitler was a militant non smoker AND a vegitarian.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 08:29 AM
Response to Reply #31
149. LOL!
But how will you ever live without Mary Matalin's famous toasted cheese sandwiches? They're a package deal, you know. :evilgrin:
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:54 AM
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63. I certainly do
Actually, not a devil- just a person lacking a conscience who looks at profits from all as if it were a game.
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:57 AM
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67. Back where I come from we called those folk sociopaths
Not the kind of person whom I would want to associate with on a personal level.
They can turn on anyone.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 02:34 PM
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 04:11 PM
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105. I tolerate people who differ.
I just don't associate with any one who voted for the chimp in this election or last two. They can differ all they like. We just have to agree to dis agree.
It just happens my friends are liberals.
If I am a bigot, then I am a bigot.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 04:47 PM
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109. Do you know what hypocrisy is?
>>I just don't associate with any one who voted for the chimp in this election or last two<<

You claim to tolerate people who differ, yet you don't associate with anyone who voted for Bush.

That's the very definition of intolerance.
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 04:59 PM
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114. No - they are entitlted to their opinions
I can tolerate them. Talk about neutral stuff, tell stories, offer rides if needed.

I fear I am getting bogged down in semantics.
My friends are liberals. People who voted for the Chimp in this last election are not my friends. None of my friends voted for the Chimp.

Feel free to call me a hypocrate. It won't change anything. I will own being hyporcritical. Hypocrates R US. I don't care. Its just a label. Words.
I have an issue with con artists and grifters like the men in the Bush family - after Prescott it all went to seed.

I probably would not be friends with people who support Pinochet, or DW Botha either. Yet , you can have ALL the Republican friends you desire. I have no issue with that. I imagine some of them are feeling a tad lonely these days and more will in the days to come.

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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 05:16 PM
Response to Reply #114
122. Now wait a minute
Earlier you said you wouldn't associate with them AT ALL, i.e. wouldn't talk to them. Now you're saying you would talk to them.

You're getting wishy-washy.
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 05:30 PM
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126. May it please the court,
The defendant wishes to clarify that he does not know whom of his day to day associates support the Chiimp. I don't live in a Chimp supporting neighborhood.
I don't belong to organizations where I know Chimp supporters are lurking.
My child does not attend a Chimp supporting school and - I have NO religion.

For the Chimpunists out there:

If there are any I know of - I am careful and polite in my necessary interactions.
None of the defendant's family or friends are members of the Cimpunist Party or are fellow travelers.

Have you no shame? Have you no decency, sir ?
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Jeff in Cincinnati Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:07 AM
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23. You're claiming that you do?!
I mean, really. I have acquaintances who are Republicans, but I don't "hang out" with them -- our contacts are purely social (like school and community events). And I sure as hell wouldn't sleep on a couch that's been in contact with Republican butt cheeks.
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:27 AM
Response to Reply #23
34. That is because you have principles
unlike some folk.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:38 AM
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49. yeah, not like that Carville guy
Edited on Fri Mar-04-05 11:39 AM by onenote
no principles for that guy.None. And Clinton...hanging out with GHWB and Teddy Kennedy, co-sponsoring legislation with Orrin Hatch...

Sell outs everyone of them...

onenote
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:46 AM
Response to Reply #49
54. Those are politicians
They make deals with devils if it suits the ends.
Do I hang out with politicians ?
Do you ?

Its like that Willie song " Momas don't let your babies grow up to be politicians "
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:52 AM
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61. not politicians
but congressional staff, lobbyists, etc. While most of my closest friends are Dems, I consider a number of republicans as friends. We agree to disagree on some things. On other things (music, movies, sports, etc). we frequently agree. One thing that we agree on, regardless of party, is that the polarization of the American people is bad. And I blame that more on the administration and the Republican party hierarchy. The congressional staff/lobbyists that I know and sometimes have lunch with are good people who don't blindly accept everything the administration says or does.

onenote
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 12:07 PM
Response to Reply #61
70. You are operating in an entirely different world than the one I live in.
If I were a lobbyist, or a staff person, or some kind of media type who had frequent contacts with people of all stripes and political persuasions, then I would be compelled to compartmentalize my preferences in the intersts of being professionaly viable. And I may even make friends - to a degree. But with Repugs, I still feel they believe that all animals are equal but some are more equal than others.

I am not all broken up over this dichotomy.
I think this polarization is good. Lets see what comes of it.
And if the GOP is responsible for most of it, let them reap the whirlwind.

One needs to be selective in whom one associates with. I never suscribed to this " United We Stand " volksgemeinschaft that sprang up after 9/11 either. It has a false ring to it.

Around repugs, I watch my six.

Around fundies, I watch my wallet.

Around media whores, I don't watch/listen to anything.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 02:35 PM
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 04:16 PM
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106. So am I gonna be ostricized?
Maybe this is a good thing. I don't feel like I have to like every one I know.
I specifically don't have to like people who support the Chimp.
Being a Chimp ' n Cheney supporter is a deal breaker.
I don't see bigotry as a bad thing in all cases.
It all depends.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 04:51 PM
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111. Violence and repression against a people starts with bigotry
Just ask minorities in the U.S. or any other country.

But you don't seem to think it's a bad thing.
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 05:02 PM
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115. Well it all depends.
some people deserve a little bigotry. Who is being repressed ? What violence ?
Again this is semantics.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 05:14 PM
Response to Reply #115
121. Now you're showing intolerance
>>some people deserve a little bigotry<<

And yet earlier you claimed you were a tolerant person.
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 05:34 PM
Response to Reply #121
127. I am still going to tolerate them
I am bigoted when it comes to Chimp supporters, but they don't need to get my permission to act , vote, speak freely.
Was it Voctor Hugo: I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to my death your right to say it "? I will tolerate them.

We just are not going to be friends.
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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 10:05 PM
Response to Reply #106
138. I make a few exceptions, but generally
I agree with you and Janeanne Garafolo. Being a Bush supporter these days is a character flaw. Our country is being destroyed. The faith-based initiative passed the House yesterday. Faith-based organizations will use our tax money to discriminate against people who don't share their "values" as they demand allegiance to their beliefs before they dole out our money. Our environment is under attack. We're facing the overturn of Roe vs. Wade. Our courts could be stacked with fundamentalists who honor only their own religion and no others. So, yes, I do think less of Carrie for her association with this man. He was a GOP operative. I wouldn't ask him to be a guest in my home. I'm surprised at her choice of friends.
But, for now, it's still a free country. Her choice. Perhaps she shares his views.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 04:34 PM
Response to Reply #97
108. Bigot's a strong word.....
I'm not sure its appropriate though I do think it silly to create a political litmus test for friends.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 04:50 PM
Response to Reply #108
110. According to the definition, bigot is an appropriate word
Refusing to associate with others just because of political, social, religious or any other difference isn't just silly, it's dangerous.

That's how repression and violence against others starts.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 04:58 PM
Response to Reply #110
113. Sorry, I'll have to disagree.
Webster's may have it but I just think its too strong a word for this application
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 05:11 PM
Response to Reply #113
118. And I'll demonstrate something other than bigotry
By saying you're entitled to disagree, but it won't stop me from associating with you.
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 05:04 PM
Response to Reply #110
116. what if you don't LIKE them ?
for other reasons?
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 05:12 PM
Response to Reply #116
119. Now you're straying
You never said anything about not liking them for other reasons.

The only reason you gave was because they were Republicans or Bush supporters.
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 05:18 PM
Response to Reply #119
123. Well OK, I don't like Bush supporters.
I was getting off course. Thanks for the pointer. " Mind your helm !"
I still have no use for them. Its a big world, There is plenty of ways to avoid collisions.
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PunkPop Donating Member (847 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:39 AM
Response to Reply #23
50. LOL!
Gross. But funny.
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wildwww2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 10:52 PM
Response to Reply #14
139. I claim that. Bu$h supporters are either stupid, evil or both. And I
do not associate with either stupid or evil people. If I can help it.
So it is easy to not socialize with such people. They make it quite well known that they hate liberals like me anyway. So why should I spend time around people who can`t stand me any better than I can stand them?
Peace
Wildman
Al Gore is My President
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 04:30 PM
Response to Reply #13
107. Yeaaaa, the DU purity test....
Where posters claim they only hang out with hard core liberals!

The rightwing mentality is no longer exclusively right wing.

Have comedy show that has more Democrats and liberals on than cable news. Skewer the right every night but step out of line once(and even then its about perception of such) and you're part of the dark side.

Find out a friend may not have the same poltics as you, cut them off.

Find out a family member voted for Bush refuse to speak to them.

Just another day of chest beating and liberal "credential" burnishing at good ole DU!

Now I don't mean to be hard on you, personally. Its more a reflection of the many threads I've seen on this. Liberals creating republican blacklists of actors and the like. To me its just f-ing ridiculous. Some of my best political conversations come with people that don't agree with me. You can't learn much if you spend all your time in an echo chamber where republicans/conservatives/libertarians have horns and tails and eat babies. It helsp to talk to people, find their motivations out first hand and go from there.



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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 04:52 PM
Response to Reply #107
112. Thank you for the sanity check
It's nice to run into someone else who gets it.
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 05:13 PM
Response to Reply #107
120. Must have struck a nerve. If so I appologize.
I just don't have anything to do with people that voted for the Chimp.
I won't judge anyone else that feels differently. Its a personal preference.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 05:25 PM
Response to Reply #120
124. Like I said its not you persay.....
It's more my general frustration of liberals acting like wingers when it comes to who they associate with, where they shop, what entertainment they consume etc etc. To me its just ridiculous. Some of my favorite moments are arguing with a bar buddy I play softball with who loves O'Reilly.

"I just don't have anything to do with people that voted for the Chimp."

For fun is that a don't ask, don't tell
policy or do you have a ready made political situation to ferret this info out?
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 05:42 PM
Response to Reply #124
129. We extend benefit of the doubt - at first.
and then wait and see.

I remember on the masthead of an old newspaper from a town in the Oklahoma Indian Territory there was a saying ;
"
Of those whom are denounced as ill, I see so much of goodness, still.
Of those whom men pronounce devine, I see so much of sin and blot
I hesitate to draw the line where God has not "

But If I know you voted for the Chimp in the last election - well pretty is as pretty does. I know of a good sound file of the Horst Wessel Song I can share with whomever

I reserve my right to be mean, petty , bigoted, hypocritcal, small minded, narrow minded, AND anti social. - if I need to its all in a little cabinet on the wall with a " Break Glass in case of Snick " label. Other than that, don't ask don't tell is fine.

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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:35 AM
Response to Reply #8
46. And whether or not he was...
..once an evil Republican, I gather that Ms. Fisher was showing him compassion and charity. I wonder just how Republican he remained while in her care.

Jesus supposedly ate with tax collectors, and did not shy away from lepers. Even Republicans may need a hand(out) when they find themselves no longer rich enough to afford their party's platform. I see this story as a credit to Ms. Fisher rather than as any sort of indictment.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 12:02 PM
Response to Reply #46
68. You're entitled to your opinion
Edited on Fri Mar-04-05 12:15 PM by depakid
I for one have a new golden rule- do unto Republicans as they would do unto you or to others.

A guy like that- with all the countless suffering he's wrought through his efforts- I'd let him die on the curb. Actually, maybe I'd call an ambulance, but on no account would I have him in my house.

Sorry, but I'm not Jesus- and I'm through turning the other cheek. Been there, done that. This progresive has wised up and figured out that Aesop has a better take on the issue.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 12:15 PM
Response to Reply #68
77. If your rule is really...
"do unto Republicans as they would do unto you," then you will never be better than they are. I can certainly understand your wanting to avoid associating with them, but must we become them?

There is a difference between recognizing the scorpion for what it is and seeking it out to kill it. We have no word yet on whether the fellow enjoying Ms. Fisher's hospitality was literall venomous or not.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 12:33 PM
Response to Reply #77
80. I'm just not going to go out of my way to help Republicans
It's a matter of common sense, as far as I'm concerned. They'd tear down everything I believe in- science, academia, public health, law, meritocracy, rational economics, truth, justice- you name it.

I don't willingly associate with people like that- it's a reflection of either bad character (as in- stab you in the back to get theirs type) or it's a reflection of willful ignorance. At this point, sad to say, there really aren't any other conclusions to be drawn about Republicans.

And- in order to not become like they are (and to not bang my head against the wall for the rest of my adult life) once I get my degree, I'll be applying for work abroad.
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 12:55 PM
Response to Reply #80
86. I have to agree. They are a lost cause.
I reflect on how the Chimp's dad was on the wrong side of every social and political issue throughout his entire life. And his spawn are all liars crooks and thieves.
So are their friends. If we looked at Repugs like Eisenhower, Prescott Bush, and even to a small extent, Nixon, you see better examples of stewardship and leadership.

This crowd crowd are a mix of organized crime and decadance - under a thin veneer of class and prestiege.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 12:58 PM
Response to Reply #80
87. Well, I'm giving many Republicans...
...the benefit of the doubt. A bit more, anyway.

I assume that many or most are deluded by conservative media bias, so much so that they will actually vote against their interests and cheer on the robber barons. That seems to me to be a sign of weak intellect rather than necessarily bad character.

The ringleaders, however...well, only bad character explains their devotion to money above all else.
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 01:16 PM
Response to Reply #87
91. That is what Fortune Magazine said about the German people in 1939.
and look where it led. Basically said they are peaceloving by nature but misled by politicians.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 02:38 PM
Response to Reply #91
98. And they were right, for the most part...
The deluded masses will learn to accept almost any state of affairs.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 01:16 PM
Response to Reply #8
90. She's a good friend of my former boss, Jeffery Katzenberg
Jeffery is a HUGE Dem contributor. She also hangs out with Whoopie Goldberg a lot, so I wouldn't count her as a repug. Maybe she was trying to reform him.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 12:12 PM
Response to Reply #5
74. "Lie down with dogs; get up with fleas."
:shrug:
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 10:09 AM
Response to Original message
6. " A flamboyant personality and bicoastal bachelor"
n/t
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 10:37 AM
Response to Reply #6
16. *giggle* The Moonie Times has a way with words.
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:04 AM
Response to Reply #16
21. He might have known Gannon/Guckert.
He might have been ready to spill the beans.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 04:01 PM
Response to Reply #21
165. See post 159 below.
:freak: Maybe he did!
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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 10:09 AM
Response to Original message
7. Could this guy be related to Connie Stevens?
Wasn't Carrie Fisher's Dad married to Connie Stevens?
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 10:16 AM
Response to Reply #7
10. Debbie Reynolds, I'm thinking.
:think:
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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 10:19 AM
Response to Reply #10
11. Actually he was married to Connie Stevens after he left Deb for Liz
Actress Joely Fisher is their daugher
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 10:26 AM
Response to Reply #11
12. Thanks for refreshing my memory. Eddie, Debbie and Liz. The good ol' 60's.
Edited on Fri Mar-04-05 10:26 AM by oasis
Kennedy,Camelot, Democracy:bounce:
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all.of.me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:08 AM
Response to Reply #10
24. didn't she die a few weeks ago?
or was that somebody else......
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:27 AM
Response to Reply #24
35. That was Sandra Dee
Debbie Reynolds is still alive and kicking.
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all.of.me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 12:33 PM
Response to Reply #35
81. oh yeah... that's right... thanks!
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 10:14 AM
Response to Original message
9. I can't write my initial thoughts on this as it may appear too cruel
and unfeeling.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 10:56 AM
Response to Original message
19. What kind of lovin was he getting, Carrie? Cripes, he's 42. Something
weird here.
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:04 AM
Response to Reply #19
22. Did you see my post above--he was probably gay.
n/t
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:11 AM
Response to Reply #22
26. and you base this on what?
Do you know anything about this guy? Had you even heard of him before today? Get a grip.

onenote
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:15 AM
Response to Reply #26
28. I base it on reading the entire article.
And on recent news about gays at the top of the GOP. And, by the way, I am in no way making a negative comment about homosexuality.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:29 AM
Response to Reply #28
37. code words?
And I take it that the parts of the article that give away Mr. Stevens homosexuality are the descriptions of him as "in good shape", "flamboyant personality", "bicoastal bachelor", "fun and entertaining", and "tango lessons".

Now, it may be that he was gay. But aren't you engaging in a bit of stereotyping?

onenote
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:47 AM
Response to Reply #37
56. If it hadn't been for the Gannon/Guckert thing, I wouldn't have
given it a second thought.
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:30 AM
Response to Reply #26
38. what do YOU know about him?
Just wondering ?
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:33 AM
Response to Reply #38
43. not a thing at all
so I wouldn't speculate on whether he was gay, straight, black, white, green, Hungarian, American, good, or evil. All I know is that he worked for a Republican lobbying firm and he's dead.

onenote
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:35 AM
Response to Reply #43
45. Then he won't be missed
around here.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:36 AM
Response to Reply #45
48. on that we can agree
although its curious how many folks want to talk about him
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:49 AM
Response to Reply #48
58. curiouser and curiouser
life is messy.
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:50 AM
Response to Reply #43
59. When people lie and cover up their sexuality, all you can do is speculate.
Republicans are deceptive and secretive about everything, so we can either take them at face value or question/speculate. I choose to question/speculate rather than to believe anything is as it appears with any Republican.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:11 AM
Response to Original message
27. wow. 42 is way too young to die.
My condolences to his family.
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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:27 AM
Response to Original message
32. Co-chair of "Entertainment Task Force" - Is that what the gopers
call the position that lines up the hookers for the convention?

I will now apply fweeper "logic" to the case...

I bet Laura killed him because she was having an affair with him, oh and PIAPS (Pickles in a pants suit) is also a lesbian.

------
As for the actual person: May he rest in peace
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:35 AM
Response to Reply #32
47. Bush/Cheney ""Entertainment Task Force"...???
I wondered as well. I thought at first this "task force" searched for some of the old films Hitler had taken of his political enemies being hung by piano wire so he could watch them while dinning.

I wondered if these would be shown to Georgie for "entertainment" purposes and to help him work on his smirk...

After all, how do you "entertain" an adult who, as a boy, blew up frogs with firecrackers?
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:51 AM
Response to Reply #47
60. and now he gets to blow up real people
Georgie has arrived - come into his own.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:33 AM
Response to Original message
42. A curious incident.
They dampen down the drug overdose angle:

" His body was found in a guest room by Miss Fisher midmorning Saturday.
"I'm sorry I found him, but he was happy here," the actress said yesterday. "People want to find a scandal in it, but there is none. I don't get it. Nobody does."

They don't really give any other indication of cause of death. A heart attack or stroke is the usual culprit in a case like this. But maybe he was dangerous to the BFEE, hanging out with all those liberals (well, some of these at least):

"Other party guests included Brad Pitt, Jennifer Aniston, Robin Williams, Jamie Foxx, Julia Roberts, Penelope Cruz and Pierce Brosnan."

Perhaps he was ready to spill some beans. I am surprised he didn't suicide himself with ratshot.

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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:42 AM
Response to Original message
52. May I suggest an alternate theory?
I have an acquaintance who knows Carrie Fisher somewhat, via his acquaintance with a prominent Southern California doctor who is her good friend (and also Michael Jackson's botox supplier). It seems Carrie likes to hang out with gay men, a LOT. So I'm guessing this guy very probably expired from AIDS complications. Thus, her connection with him was not based on his Repiblicanism, but rather his gayness. I do find it a little strange he expired in her house, but a gay Republican perhaps can't die of AIDS in a public hospital, or at his parents' home...it's just not done.
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #52
66. bingo
you've just won the Christmas turkey...

makes total sense. Carrie befriended this guy and saw to it that his last days were filled with love and friendship. It's a sad story.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 03:52 PM
Response to Reply #52
103. Exactly what I was thinking... something about her words
made me think this is what happened.
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DrZeeLit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 04:02 PM
Response to Reply #52
104. This is exactly what happened. Easy to figure.
Btw, Debbie Reynolds is a BIG favorite with the gay community, too.

I don't get why it matters what party a person is, or who are friends of or married to people of other parties. How petty. Sheesh, when did we get so "like them?"

Compassion is NOT (contrary to anybody's slogan) exclusive to either party. Compassion is personal. From Ms. Fisher's comment, it sounds as if her friend died exactly the way he wanted to die, surrounded by friends in a loving home.

I can only hope for the same.

How can anyone make this political? AND if anybody does, how does that make "us" any different than any other sleezy gossipy drudges?


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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #52
159. Did he arrange for the wrong guy to report on this?
Barbour Announces Run for Mississippi Governor
By Jeff Gannon
GOPUSA News
February 19, 2003

YAZOO CITY, MS (GOPUSA News) -- Former Republican National Committee Chairman Haley Barbour announced that he would be running for governor of Mississippi. The 55 year-old Washington lawyer and lobbyist, who once served as a political advisor to President Ronald Reagan, has decided to return to Mississippi "because I know we can do better."

After one of several speeches around the state, Barbour pointed out, "This state has spent like a drunken sailor. Drunken sailors should be offended by the comparison."

Barbour said state government had fallen "from its strongest fiscal condition ever to the worst financial crisis in our state's history." Barbour said his campaign would focus on "prioritizing spending" and fighting "any and all tax increases." He declared that "to raise taxes while government is on a spending binge is only feeding the beast."

Barbour is the first Republican to announce his intention to run against the incumbent Democrat Ronnie Musgrove. If Barbour were to win, he would become only the second Republican elected governor of Mississippi since Reconstruction.
(snip)
http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:sUeFU707AXIJ:www.gopusa.com/news/2003/february/0219_barbourp.shtml+%22jeff+gannon%22+%22haley+barbour%22&hl=en
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:47 AM
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55. Neil Young used to hang out with Carrie Fisher, didn't he?
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:53 AM
Response to Reply #55
62. Neil was a Repug too
at one time. Not that this has any relevance. I don't think he had much recent affection for the Chimp.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 12:07 PM
Response to Reply #62
69. Yes he was QUITE vocal about his distaste for Bush
Edited on Fri Mar-04-05 12:08 PM by calipendence
in his appearances in Vote For Change Concert tour. He lead that anti-Bush spirit in the Ames Dave Matthews concert.

Ron Reagan was a Democrat once too. And Wes Clark was a Republican at one time as well. The past doesn't necessarily mean anything.
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 12:18 PM
Response to Reply #69
78. That pleased me to no end.
I am not concerned with past affiliations either. Its whom you associated. align with or support now that matters. As for Repulicans.... I could vote for Eisnehower today if this was an alternative to the Chimp.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 02:01 PM
Response to Reply #55
95. No, he did not. He was married to Carrie SNODGRESS, star
of "Diary of a MAd Housewife." Different Carrie.


Neil Young is simply a contrarian bastard.....he's a slippery eel, politically. Musically, his talent is beyond question, but he's made some unfortunate choices in bedfellows before. Since some post 9-11 jingoism, he's calmed down and is now solidly anti-Bush (Solidly? Give it three years....)
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 02:53 PM
Response to Reply #95
100. That's right, different Carrie. I remember Neil supported Reagan in his
Edited on Fri Mar-04-05 02:54 PM by John Q. Citizen
first term run, then he publically disavowed him in the second run. He said he had taken Reagan at his word and that Reagan lied. I lived about 40 miles down hwy.9 ( from his place in the Sta Cruz Mountains at the time and I could have told him

Neil has done some good stuff over the years like Farm Aid and the Bridge Concerts.

I always liked the guy because I feel he's honest about what he does and his music is so eclectic. I heard he got sued by a former record label for producing an album that the label claimed "didn't sound like" Neil Young.

I think Neil is a social libertarian but not an economic libertarian.

I loved "This notes for you" and "Rockin in the Free World" as well as "A man needs a maid," which was unfairly condemed by some feminists at the time who didn't catch that it was really a feminist song in many ways.
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 09:54 PM
Response to Reply #55
137. Carrie Fisher was once married to Paul Simon
(Simon & Garfunkel).

Just a bit of trivia...
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:54 AM
Response to Original message
64. Did I just wander into Free Republic here?
A guy died, much too young. I don't know anything about him but he must have had some redeeming qualities, even if he was a republican PR guy. I see his death as a loss for our side, because it means there is one fewer republicans that we can bring back to the light.

Lighten up on the poor guy.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 12:08 PM
Response to Reply #64
71. repuke AND a PR guy?
that's not only two strikes against him, it's two completely fooled, couldn't get the bat off his shoulder strikes.

NEVER lighten up on a repuke. They are now the party of the power-hungry fascists.
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 12:10 PM
Response to Reply #71
72. I might show up at the service with a mallet and stake
to be sure he stays dead.
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 12:11 PM
Response to Reply #72
73. Wear a garlic necklace.
n/t
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 12:14 PM
Response to Reply #73
75. Don't leave out the holy water
Where is Anne Rice when we need her?
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 12:15 PM
Response to Reply #72
76. LOL!
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 02:41 PM
Response to Reply #64
99. no matter the circumstance, you NEVER pass up the chance
to make a good Star Wars joke:evilgrin:
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:55 AM
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65. DAVID DRIER IS VICE CHAIR OF THE HOUSE ENTERTAINMENT TASK FORCE
House GOP Meets With Entertainment Industry Leaders
Leaders Pledge Support for Copyright Concerns

Washington, DC - In a meeting organized by Rep. Mark Foley, Chairman and Rep. David Dreier, Vice Chairman of the House Entertainment Task Force, Speaker Newt Gingrich, Majority Leader Dick Armey and other Congressional republican leaders pledged their support for enactment of the WIPO Treaties and Copyright Term Extension this year.
...
http://www.riaa.com/news/newsletter/press1998/062598.asp
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #65
84. Would he have been in charge of "entertainment" for staff and VIP's?
In other words, is he who people would have turned to if they wanted a "man-date" with Bulldog?

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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 12:55 PM
Response to Reply #84
85. Actually, I think the task force primarily was a way to
build support for the GOP in Hollywood by giving them the access and legislation they wanted. But I'm thinking that POSSIBLY he was in some kind of GOP inner circle in the DC part of his "bicoastal" life.

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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 01:17 PM
Response to Reply #85
92. I can't find a picture of him. Was he BALD?!?!?!
I see a patttern emerging: Bush likes to hire BALD gay male homophobic reporters to shill for him.

WHAT IS WITH BUSH AND ALL THE BALD-FACED LIARS??


See this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1636848&mesg_id=1636848


Armstrong Williams: Gay, Bald, Black


Jeff Gannon / James Guckert: Gay.... Bald.... White


Joseph Perkins: Gay???? Bald.... Black




See also:

More photos of Bush's phrenophillia fetish for touching bald heads at: Teenager in Chief
http://juliusblog.blogspot.com/2004_04_01_juliusblog_archive.html

Conservative Columnist Joseph Perkins Resigns Suddenly (Why?)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1281780#1281780

Jeff Gannon and Armstrong Williams give new meaning to "MSM Journalists"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1279893&mesg_id=1280975
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 01:19 PM
Response to Reply #92
93. I wonder!
Perhaps there will be a picture in his obituary.
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Chelsea Patriot Donating Member (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 02:00 PM
Response to Reply #92
94. Bush is SO Gay!
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StaggerLee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #94
101. Indeed!
n/t
:evilgrin:
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not fooled Donating Member (553 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 06:21 PM
Response to Reply #94
130. "Bush is SO Gay!" Sez who? Ask Victor Ashe
*'s "special buddy" from Yale.

Oh, wait. They shipped Ashe out of the country when * became chimperor. Couldn't be something to hide, could there??? Or, rather, hide if you're running a homophobic, fundie front to fool the hicks.:eyes:
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 05:40 PM
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128. Entertainment Task Force? Is that what Gannon calls his floor show? n/t
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 09:08 PM
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131. In Apr 04 he was helping run campaign for Serbian ultranationalist
Edited on Fri Mar-04-05 09:10 PM by lostnfound
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A51825-2004Apr28¬Found=true
A Low Buzz From Belgrade

By Judy Sarasohn
Thursday, April 29, 2004; Page A23

Reports out of Belgrade are buzzing that the Republican powerhouse lobby shop Barbour Griffith & Rogers has signed on to help run the presidential campaign of Tomislav Nikolic, the candidate of the ultranationalist Serbian Radical Party, and to arrange meetings for Nikolic with Bush administration officials.

Blic, a Serbian newspaper, reported that "sources close to" Barbour Griffith said that the lobby shop is in charge of Nikolic's campaign and that its team includes R. Greg Stevens.

G.O. "Lanny" Griffith, chief operating officer of the lobby shop, says not true. "We do not work for the Serbian Radical Party. We don't represent Mr. Nikolic," Griffith said in an interview yesterday.
(snip)
There is the problem of the SRP's leader, Vojislav Seselj, who can't run for president. He's been detained in The Hague to be tried on war crimes charges involving ethnic cleansing and other "crimes against humanity."

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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 09:09 PM
Response to Reply #131
132. And this doj website shows him as registered foreign agent for Macedonia
www.usdoj.gov/criminal/fara/Fara1st01/REGS/05430.HTM
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 09:18 PM
Response to Reply #132
133. Or maybe he knew too much about Ukrainian politics
http://www.artukraine.com/buildukraine/friends_ukraine2.htm
<snip>
An obscure non-profit organization, Friends of Ukraine, placed the ads, but the group's source of funds is unclear.

Documents obtained by the Post from the U.S. Senate Office of Public Records show that FOU has been a client of Barbour, Griffith & Rogers, a Washington D.C. lobbying firm, since October 2002. The lobbying firm was co-founded by Haley Barbour, a former chairman of the Republican National Committee. Insiders said that FOU was founded in September 2002 to defend Grigorishin's interests, but that the organization has since found different funding.

Robert Greg Stevens, an employee of the lobbying firm and a representative of FOU, told the Post on Jan. 5 that the ads were "absolutely" intended to raise awareness in influential Washington circles, up to the level of President George W. Bush, about the "dangers" that Medvedchuk poses. Stevens said two groups in Ukraine and one group in the U.S. funded the ads. He would not identify them, but promised that more ads and "investigations" directed at Medvedchuk would follow.

"We are spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to investigate his business practices, firms, accounts, criminal activities and influence . These ads are only the beginning of a series of activities to show the danger he poses to democracy in Ukraine. There is a struggle today for the heart of President Leonid Kuchma. It is a struggle between the criminal elements of Medvedchuk and pro-reform movements. Friends of Ukraine was founded to resist the Medvedchuk faction," Stevens said.

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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 09:30 PM
Response to Reply #133
136. He was really playing with fire, it seems.
I wonder if we will hear the cause of death.
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 09:28 PM
Response to Reply #131
135. OMG
The rabbit hole is so deep.
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despairing optimist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 09:26 PM
Response to Original message
134. Has the Rapture started? Am I late?
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 07:50 AM
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141. kick to combine
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 07:51 AM
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142. Republican Adviser Dies in Carrie Fisher's home
Republican Adviser Dies in Carrie Fisher's home
By JEFF WILSON, AP

BEVERLY HILLS, Calif. (March 4) - Republican media adviser R. Gregory Stevens, recently co-chairman of the Bush/Cheney Entertainment Task Force, died in a guest room at the home of longtime friend and actress Carrie Fisher. He was 42.

Stevens was found dead by Fisher last Saturday at 10:14 a.m., said David Campbell of the Los Angeles County Coroner's Office. An autopsy failed to immediately determine the cause of death and the coroner was awaiting lab results.

Foul play wasn't suspected, Campbell said Friday.

<snip>

Stevens, an associate with the Washington lobbying group Barbour Griffith & Rogers, specialized in foreign campaign consulting and has advised candidates in 24 international elections, according to his biography on the Barber Griffith & Rogers Web site.

http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20050304193609990010&ncid=NWS00010000000001

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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 07:51 AM
Response to Reply #142
143. Is she a republican? I thought hollywood was all liberals....
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 07:51 AM
Response to Reply #142
144. This isn't breaking news though, see this thread....
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 07:51 AM
Response to Reply #142
145. Carrie dressed up in her Princess Lea Bikini
and walked in on the guy. Yow!
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Tesla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 07:51 AM
Response to Reply #145
146. I don't think the Princess looks the same today in that bikini!!!
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Sporadicus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 07:51 AM
Response to Reply #146
147. Hence the Cardiac Arrest n/t
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 07:55 AM
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148. LOL
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 09:22 AM
Response to Reply #148
150. Corporate Swine: Barbour Griffith & Rogers
Edited on Sat Mar-05-05 09:23 AM by IanDB1
<snip>

Barbour Griffith & Rogers was founded by Rogers and Haley Barbour, after whom Rogers named his first-born son. Barbour, former Director of the White House Office of Political Affairs under Reagan and former Chairman of the Republican National Committee chaired the Bush for President Washington, DC Campaign Advisory Committee. BG&R describes themselves as, "a company of lawyers, policy specialists and other professionals based in Washington, D.C. Our firm is actively involved in the shaping of public policy issues that dominate the American political and corporate agenda. We serve as advocates in federal government relations, a vital link to state governments, and an ally in business development anywhere in the U.S. and in markets around the world." ( www.bgrdc.com )

<snip>

America's Newest War Profiteer

Earning a contract with the U.S. government is not an easy task. It's not a simple matter of presenting a bid. Contractors face mountains of forms, bureaucratic red tape and competition. The lowest bidder does not always earn the contract. The government considers many factors in awarding the highly desired jobs. In fact, employing the services of a consulting firm, familiar with such contracts, is standard procedure. This is especially true in the case of the US military's latest tragedy, rebuilding the ruins of Iraq.

This is where New Bridge Strategies comes into play. Created and managed by several of Bush's closest buddies and seasoned profiteers of corporate imperialism, NBS calls itself "a unique company that was created specifically with the aim of assisting clients to evaluate and take advantage of business opportunities in the Middle East following the conclusion of the U.S.-led war in Iraq." What they do is take money from industrial, development, and investment corporations that wish to win big governmental contracts in the "post-war" reconstruction of Iraq. These companies pay NBS to fill out the forms, advise them of strategies involving bidding for contracts, and steer them toward certain regions of the Middle Eastern country depending upon the particular firm's mission.

On their website, NBS explains that they "seek to expedite the creation of free and fair markets and new economic growth in Iraq, consistent with the policies of the Bush Administration." The website also features an interactive map that displays "areas of opportunity in the post-war rebuilding effort for specific industries." Located out of Washington DC, NBS is not competing for a slice of the 20 billion dollars for reconstruction that congress just approved but is aiming to receive it nonetheless. These friends of the Bush administration are funneling money through such corporations as Halliburton or Bechtel into their own already overflowing pockets in the form of "advising fees" and "services."

More:
http://www.corporateswine.net/newbridge.html
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 09:38 AM
Response to Reply #150
151. Barbour Griffith & Rogers and "1275 Pennsylvania Avenue" 10th floor
Edited on Sat Mar-05-05 09:41 AM by IanDB1
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1275 Pennsylvania Avenue N.W,
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Washington, D.C. 20004
(202) 659 6210
Fax (202) 783 4566
washdc@diligencellc.com

http://www.diligencellc.com/

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The Committee for Justice (CFJ) and Committee for Justice Foundation (CFJF) is composed of eminent leaders, former government officials, legal scholars, and practitioners based in Washington, DC united to defend and promote constitutionalist judicial nominees to the federal courts and educates the public on the importance of judges in American life. CFJ and CFJF were founded in 2002 by former White House Counsel C. Boyden Gray, the groups’ chairman.

The Committee for Justice exists to restore the judiciary to its proper role under the law and counter the partisan warfare that has arisen against constitutionalist judicial nominees. CFJ is a leading national voice on judicial issues, using television, radio, and print advertisements to inform the public about judicial confirmation controversies. In addition, the CFJF is an opinion leader for state and national media, with C. Boyden Gray making frequent television and radio appearances. CFJF is also an information clearinghouse, through its website and reports, and a communications hub for federal officials and state activists.

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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 01:44 PM
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152. Republican media adviser found dead
Republican media adviser found dead

By Stephanie Mansfield
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Republican media adviser R. Gregory Stevens, who recently served as co-chairman of the Bush/Cheney Entertainment Task Force, was found dead Saturday in the Hollywood home of actress Carrie Fisher.
"He passed away here, and in a place where he was loved," Miss Fisher said yesterday from her home in Los Angeles.
Mr. Stevens, 42, was scheduled to attend the Academy Awards in Los Angeles on Sunday night and was staying with Miss Fisher at the time of his death. The Los Angeles County Coroner's Office said yesterday that the cause of death was unknown, pending results of toxicology tests.
His body was found in a guest room by Miss Fisher midmorning Saturday.
(snip)
http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20050303-110422-6672r.htm
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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 01:44 PM
Response to Reply #152
153. I guess the Force wasn't with him anymore

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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 01:44 PM
Response to Reply #152
154. Strange.
Odd that you would find a right-winger in that kind of company.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 01:44 PM
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155. Guess that is why the BFEE offed him. He was turning to the other camp.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 01:44 PM
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156. Oh give me a break.
People need to seriously get a grip with their unfounded accusations. Did you even read the story?
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 01:48 PM
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157. According to the article, he was reaching out to Hollyweird

Guess "they" didn't like it.

Please note that big lobbying firm he worked for - the top named member is now gov of MS and oddly enough, Gannon wrote an article about his RNC run for gov that can be found on GOPUSA, before Talon was established. (Feb 2003).
http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:sUeFU707AXIJ:www.gopusa.com/news/2003/february/0219_barbourp.shtml+%22jeff+gannon%22+%22haley+barbour%22&hl=en


Quirky coincidents abound in this world. :freak:

:tinfoilhat:
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 01:53 PM
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158. I'm willing to speculate when there is something to tie it to...
...but people can't just assume because someone dies that Republicans are naturally involved.

Like the guy who snuck into fortified compound Owl Farm, past HST's son and grandson to off him, despite the fact that he pretty much had all of his stuff in order and had told everyone he knew that he was going to do it someday.

And now the person that sneaks into Carrie Fisher's house to off a media advisor after a star-studded party.

Give me a break.

I like a good tinfoil discussion every now and again, but the assumption of foul play without anything to indicate it is simply delusional.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 02:00 PM
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160. Just pointing out possible ties.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 03:45 PM
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163. Alright, so maybe there is weirdness.
It seems odd that the family would keep their mouths shut about it if there was suspicion, unless this was a family affair.

Barring that possibility, whoever would do something like that to HST would have to be a fool, because he has waaay too many famous friends to pull it off without risking a serious public mess.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 02:43 PM
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161. think this was the guy who could prove the Gannon WH connection?
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