Chavez: No oil if U.S. 'gets a little bit crazy' (AP)

Chavez: No oil if U.S. 'gets a little bit crazy'
Venezuelan president warns Washington not to 'hurt' his country

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The Associated Press
Updated: 9:52 a.m. ET March 4, 2005NEW DELHI - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez warned Friday that his nation, the world's fifth-largest oil exporter, would cut off oil supplies to the United States if Washington tries to "hurt" his country, news reports said.

"We want to supply oil to the United States. We are not going to avoid supplying of oil unless the U.S. government gets a little bit crazy and tries to hurt us," he told reporters during a visit to India, according to Dow Jones Newswires.

"If there is any aggression, there will be no oil," Chavez said.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7086661/

ME TOO !he is now on my list of favorite people.

If I were a conspiracy theorist, I'd say the man making these statements is a ringer and the CIA has already eliminated Chavez and is going through an elaborate charade to justify a coup after the fact. How can someone be so provocative and fearless, and expect to survive?

He'd better be careful, we invent trumped up charges and invade countries when they don't give us their oil. If he keeps up his defiance, pretty soon we'll be hearing about how Venezuela tried to buy yellow cake uranium in Niger...

Google the following: venezuela +margarita island +terrorists

and you'll come up with plenty of articles.

They need to protect their oil supply agreements w/Venezuela from Bushco. Basically, it will be -- back off, bushy, or we'll (1) collapse the dollar on you and/or (2) send a never-ending stream of Chinese troops to kick your ass if you even think about invading Venezuela. Hell, if I were the president of Venezuela and had the Chinese government on my side, I'd be issuing stern warnings, too. Good for him!

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Latin America gets a sweet taste of China’s oil diplomacy

BOGOTA, COLOMBIA, MARCH 1: Latin America is becoming a rich destination for China in its global quest for energy, with the Chinese quickly signing accords with Venezuela, investing in largely untapped markets like Peru and exploring possibilities in Bolivia and Colombia.

China’s sights are focused mostly on Venezuela, which ships more than 60 per cent of its crude oil to the United States. With the largest oil reserves outside West Asia, and a president who says his country needs to diversify its energy business beyond the United States, Venezuela has emerged as an obvious contender for Beijing’s attention.

The Venezuelan leader, Hugo Chavez, accompanied by a delegation of 125 officials and businessmen, and Vice President Zeng Qinghong of China signed 19 cooperation agreements in Caracas late in January. They included long-range plans for Chinese stakes in oil and gas fields, most of them now considered marginal but which could become valuable with big investments.

Chavez has been engaged in a war of words with the Bush administration since the White House gave tacit support to a 2002 coup that briefly ousted him.

http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=65643


Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez (L) speaks to his Indian counterpart A. P. J. Abdul Kalam after his ceremonial welcome at the presidential palace in New Delhi March 4, 2005. Chavez is on a four-day long state visit to India. REUTERS/B Mathur

like not buying OUR DEBT every damn day.

If China wants to, they can make us all very uncomfortable.

Weren't there reports way back in 2002 that Venezuela was hosting Al Qaeda summits or something similar? Anyway, this from January 2005:

"Since assuming the presidency of Venezuela in 1999, Lieutenant Colonel Hugo Chavez has often sympathized with global terrorism. Not only has he proclaimed his "brotherhood" with Saddam Hussein and bestowed kind words on the Taliban, but he also maintains close economic and diplomatic ties with the leaders of Iran and Libya. Moreover, President Chavez is increasingly identified with the FARC terrorists. Although the full extent of Chavez's involvement with FARC is unknown, he has been accused of everything from sympathizing with the group to providing it with weapons and monetary support. The allegations against Chavez are numerous and it is likely that some of them are either exaggerated or untrue. Even so, President Chavez's activities reveal a consistent pattern of sympathy for terrorists."

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/005/177yckaw.asp

Don't believe the hype, not for a second -- unless you too eat Yellow Cake or still believe they're north and south, east and west of Baghdad and Tikrit, those pesky WMD, just unreported by the evil librul press!

demonizing Chavez and trying to paint him as a *danger* to the US sheeple.

From the article linked to above: "For its part, the Bush administration is uneasy about Chavez's intimate ties with Castro and his perceived efforts to silence the Venezuelan media and his political opponents."

We didn't like Grenada cozying up to Castro in '83 and Op Urgent Fury was result. Chavez is right to be cautious, especially when developing ties to China, too.

.50 cliber rifles over the internet for use in Caracas.

I bet it bears little resemblence to this characterization.

Here's venezuela TV's version of events: http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vtv.gov.ve%2FActualidades.php%3FIdNoticia%3D453&langpair=es%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools

Interestingly, if Chávez were going around being anti-american, you'd presume that it would be to consolidate his appeal among Venezuela's poor, and therefore you'd expect to see it covered in the government press. But it's not there. So it seems that the anti-American rhetoric is for an American audience and its western media spreading it.

Interesting.

......he loves to hate the US.

all of us born in the Americas are by definition American. Just like people born in the continent of Europe are European, or in Asia - Asians.

...and you'll hear his anti-US comments on a regular basis.

They sound like anti-hypocrisy to me. He even went as far as comparing John Kerry to JFK. I guess most people in DU are also anti US.

Have any links?

You'd think that if he were really anti-US he'd be doing it for the VZ audience, yet I just gave you the gov't TV link for an India story, and there's nothing anti-US in it.

Don't you think that it's kind of curious that it's the American press and not the VZ press which thinks he's so anti-American?

They orchestrated a right-wing coup against him in 2002 and are pretty full of anti-Chavez rhetoric themselves.

It is rather predictable that when you get democratically elected, popular left-wing leaders in Latin America, the US will paint them in the worst light possible. Especially when they, as Chavez did, say "go shove it" to the IMF and the American oil cartel... With Lula, the only thing they could find to smear him with was that he was an "alcoholic". Some audacity, coming from Bush...

Chavez, of course, welcomes Cuban doctors and nurses to do health care work among Venezuela's poor. This man is obviously a madman and must be stopped NOW! (sarcasm off).

...very brief time during the strike that was supported with N.E.D. money authorized by the US Congress.

At no time after the coup or after the strike was settled did VZ cut off the US intentionally.

The US bascially bought themselves the one moment in history since VZ started selling oil to the US in 1919 when the US didn't get VZ oil.

That's more than a little amusing.

Other than the UK and Israel, the rest of the folks on this planet hates us.

If it weren't so sad, it would be funny.

how much crazier Bu$hco and the U$ have to get before they are considered 'a little bit crazy'?

and has signed an oil for food deal with the newly leftist Uruguay.

Chavez is letting no grass grow under his feet as he goes about opening up new markets for his heavy crude.

sounds like the US Warships outside his harbor has him nervous for good reason!!!

and consider what's been happening over the past few years. While the US is busy being bully of the planet and destroying third world countries, China has been all over LatAm and the Caribbean romancing and signing deals with everyone. Already there are propaganda pieces floating in the MSM about China being a *danger*. That oil deal with Venezuela has to make Uncle Sam pretty nervous because China's oil needs are huge and growing. Recently Russia and Venezuela negotiated arms AND oil, Brazil is selling planes to Venezuela among other trade deals, Uruguay and Argentina have trade/energy agreements with Venz, and PDVSA (Venz state oil company) has been working with the Argentine government in oil exploration.

Just a few days ago Russia annnounced that they are working with Cuba to reactivate ties and today Brazil announced that they will join Cuba in oil exploration. Because of the US extremely limited view, they missed the boat in their own hemisphere.

Chavez is sponsoring the creation of Petrosur, a huge multinational government hydrocarbons company comprising Venezuela and Brazil, along with Argentina and other countries of the region. And then there's Telesur, a left leaning regional network tv to compete against CNN and Univision and I won't even get into Carbosuramerica (coal). There is a LOT happening and the US fucked themselves by being so ignorant and shortsighted.

have reliatives in Sur America and interested in what's going on there. besides watching the spanish news (which, btw, even in its limitations is leaps and bounds beyond the propaganda we get here), what journals are you getting this stuff from?

although vheadline is not too reliable, pubs around the planet where Chavez happens to be making deals, and sometimes even the US propaganda machines. The only place this stuff is a secret is in the MSM in the USSA ;-)

Like Iran, there is a line in the sand drawn being drawn around Venezuela by China and India. In the case of Iran, Russia is there too. It must be cause for hesitation to the * administration, but for how long?

Fascinating to watch this unfold!

:scared:

There is no doubt that we have lost Venezuela for a while now. What will also be interesting, is who our next best friend in S. America will be, next to Colombia - if just to torment Chavez.

they act like bullies. The Republican leadership could patch things up with VZ tomorrow if they wanted to.

The United States is living way beyond the edge of the world's definition of "normal."

that the Venezuelan military had been beefed up with migs and sunburn missles?

but he is buying fighter planes from brazil, as shiny weapons are probably the only language the psychopathic colombian military understands.

a halt to Venezualan oil would cause the price of the oil they do have interests in to sky-rocket even further? Maybe, it would force the U.S. to drill in Alaska? Maybe, Chavez is behaving exactly as the Bush Oil Cartel wants him to.

Maybe, we could have been saved by a president who was interested in alternative energy sources.

would not be available for at least 10 years and it is of very poor quality.
Yes, it would be nice if the Prez and Congress went for conservation, CAFE, alternative energy sources, etc. but I don't think it will happen soon unless Americans wake up and smell the coffee.

After all, we pay a "finder's fee" don't we? /sar-chasm :silly:

I don't see any other way around it. I don't want to invade them. I am all for using negotiations and diplomacy to settle this. But really what does the USA do if say Iran and Venezuela cut us off? I can just hear Junior saying this has become a matter of national security and at the price of gas most nowadays people will want to believe him. I just don't know where we would get the troops to do it with?

Don

... a "Democratic Party." Chavez would refuse oil shipments to the U.S. only upon further U.S. provocation in Venezuela. He gets China and Russia backing him, as well as the majority of Latin American states. If, in the face of that, Congress offers cover for military intervention, then there's absolutely no such thing as an "opposition party" - just two colors in a swastika.

we are in no position to do anything.

is if Venezuela would "side" with Iran and let * know he'd stop giving oil if * went after Iran. So, Iran would stop and Venezuela would stop ... hmmm, we'd be running short.

LOCO?

with as much arms as it can get its hands on.

While the lunatics in Washington belligerently rant on, the rest of the world has understood completely. The US government is in the hands of lunatics. I read threads every day that say, "Bush can't do anything today, his hands are tied in Iraq". Or, he'll never do anything because that would be crazy.

The ONE thing we have to start thinking is, EXPECT ANYTHING. Expect absolutely anything out of these people. Do NOT assume, that just because the money is running out, so will their plans.

If anything, that will push them harder than ever before, to frantically go for the Brass Ring which is always receding from their grasp. They WANT TO CONQUER THE WORLD, and defeat will not do the obvious: stop them. It will, in fact, goad them into more reckless and wild gambling, especially when it comes to oil.

Desperation, if anything, will make them more bold, and not the opposite.

If there was $5.00 left in the treasury, trust me they would spend that on a hand grenade, and go borrow $100.00 so they could buy more.

Washington is witnessing huge losses, huge setbacks. What we are seeing on this thread is just a small sample of what's going on out there. The world is mobilizing quickly to counter the Neo-Cons.

Just don't expect sane behavior.

Oil prices go up.

Arms trade skyrockets.

All are BushCrimeNazis Inc stock and trade.

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i was invited to a chavez lecture at the Jawahar Lal Nehru university here in delhi. and i missed it because of ^%$##@@*& work deadlines!
:(

mama raised a good boy, incapable of cutting work

We cannot be held hostage by the worlds oil nations. This will continue to happen as long as we rely on oil for everything. And it will get worse as peak oil becomes a realization.

And no, I don't want to attack Venezuela.

Methinks.

He lately said he might not be safe..Hope he has good security...His trips around the world..Probably, he intends to butress international support in advance of US aggression against him...Some in the oil community might come to his help..Like Iran..
So Bushie is playing with economic fire...

I'm starting to think this guy is a serious attention whore.

He's been cultivating relationships with as many countries as he can for diplomatic, economic and military protection in exchange for a fair price for his country's oil.

BUSH-CO has the military so stretched out thin, undermanned and with so much overcommitment that it would be hard to do anything in that realm at the present time.
Regardless of the garbage you might be hearing from the US domestic corporate propaganda media I would say Hugo has factored most of the things and figured out when to kick a fool(*) when he is down. In poker the verbiage is "calling the bluff"

No oil for * and his admin if they are thugs, the truth hurts doesn't it * and fellow thugs.

:kick:

Sorry, couldn't resist. :silly:

But we're never gonna survive unless...
We get a little crazy.
No we're never gonna survive unless...
We are a little...
Crazy...